Newspapers drop Dilbert after racist tirade

[John_Jacob]

As an Asian, I can tell you that being called Oriental is offensive. I prefer the term Asian. However, if an older person calls me Oriental, I just chalk it up to not being up to date. This term has been obsolete since the 90's.

As far as Scott Adams, I think he is in the wrong.

When police brutally beat and murdered black people without justification for decades, black people finally had enough. Remember the man who was shot in the back multiple times while running away from the police? Or George Floyd? Or Eric Garner, the man who was choked to death, begging for his life and saying he couldn't breathe? Well, black people wanted to know that their live did in fact matter. They were not less because of the color of their skin. Thus the BLM movement.

White trolls mocked this movement, belittling what they stood for.

Same with It's OK to be white. While, it's obvious an inncous statement, it's sinister motive behind it is to inflame and provoke black people who have resentment towards whites in general because of systemic racism and brutality.

While what you say is completely true, this line of thinking ignores the obvious political aspect.

For example, US Data, depending on your political point of view, you really, really over- or under-estimate the number of unarmed black men killed by police.

I mean almost 8% of Very Liberal believe more than 10,000 black men are killed by police every year. Really? 10,000? These are the morons people who think a race war is going on, not the far right.

For 2019, according to the Washington Post database, that number was 12 unarmed black men killed by the police. The Mapping Police Violence database says the number was 27 of unarmed black men killed by the police. These numbers seem really low so let's call it 100 to 250 depending on the definition of 'unarmed' & killed (inconveniently for many, suicide by cop is typically 30% of all police shootings).



But here's my real point. BLM, and the hoards of "Allies", "We Care", "We're Inclusive" feel good people, with all the issues facing black Americans from poverty, underfunded schools, BoB crime, single parenting, health care problems faced by black women, overt & covert discrimination etc.., they - any many here - choose to protest an issue that effects <250 black men. Really? Because focusing on this one issue will make ALL the different in Black American's rights and place in society? No. It's a convenient political issue that is highlighted by people who really don't understand how few are effected by this. These "Allies", "We Care", "We're Inclusive", could not give a shit, they're just doing it to make themselves feel better.

With unarmed shootings of Black men, way to go on that excellent Pareto analysis of the really, really critical & important issue that, once solved, will lift up the plight of all Black Americans.

Should we next examine the demographics of the population that really supports "Defund" and the demographics of those that don't? Please.

 

[Leimonis]

While what you say is completely true, this line of thinking ignores the obvious political aspect.

For example, US Data, depending on your political point of view, you really, really over- or under-estimate the number of unarmed black men killed by police.

I mean almost 8% of Very Liberal believe more than 10,000 black men are killed by police every year. Really? 10,000? These are the morons people who think a race war is going on, not the far right.

For 2019, according to the Washington Post database, that number was 12 unarmed black men killed by the police. The Mapping Police Violence database says the number was 27 of unarmed black men killed by the police. These numbers seem really low so let's call it 100 to 250 depending on the definition of 'unarmed' & killed (inconveniently for many, suicide by cop is typically 30% of all police shootings).

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But here's my real point. BLM, and the hoards of "Allies", "We Care", "We're Inclusive" feel good people, with all the issues facing black Americans from poverty, underfunded schools, BoB crime, single parenting, health care problems faced by black women, overt & covert discrimination etc.., they - any many here - choose to protest an issue that effects <250 black men. Really? Because focusing on this one issue will make ALL the different in Black American's rights and place in society? No. It's a convenient political issue that is highlighted by people who really don't understand how few are effected by this. These "Allies", "We Care", "We're Inclusive", could not give a shit, they're just doing it to make themselves feel better.

With unarmed shootings of Black men, way to go on that excellent Pareto analysis of the really, really critical & important issue that, once solved, will lift up the plight of all Black Americans.

Should we next examine the demographics of the population that really supports "Defund" and the demographics of those that don't? Please.

this is well and good but how many black men live in fear of police because less than a 1000 men gets killed yearly? almost ALL of them?

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[John_Jacob]

this is well and good but how many black men live in fear of police because less than a 1000 men gets killed yearly? almost ALL of them?

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Yup, great job focusing on the really important aspects of society. People, particularly minorities, can't find affordable housing, homelessness and drug use are rampant, education and heath care (particularly in the US) is going down the tubes but you know what's critical.

 

[Leimonis]

Yup, great job focusing on the really important aspects of society. People can't find affordable housing, homelessness and drug use are rampant, education and heath care (particularly in the US) is going down the tubes but you know what's critical.

maybe living in fear is not a big deal for you, but it'd be pretty important to me not to live in fear

 

[John_Jacob]

maybe living in fear is not a big deal for you, but it'd be pretty important to me not to live in fear

Excellent! So you want to really go down the path of the demographics of who supports "Defund" and those that generally don't? Do you want to take some time to research it first?

 

[dognutz]

Yup, great job focusing on the really important aspects of society. People, particularly minorities, can't find affordable housing, homelessness and drug use are rampant, education and heath care (particularly in the US) is going down the tubes but you know what's critical.

Yet there are millions of successful black people, they somehow found a way to succeed.

 

[John_Jacob]

Yet there are millions of successful black people, they somehow found a way to succeed.

Wait. What if it had something to do with attitudes and philosophy one adopts especially with the societal challenges that Black people and other visible minorities face?

Study: Black Immigrants Earn More than U.S.-Born Blacks

Nielsen research finds that black immigrants earn more than U.S-born blacks. The median household income for foreign black immigrants is 30% higher than black Americans.

www.blackenterprise.com

History clearly has an effect on the present. For all of us. But man, your own personal choices and behaviors and general outlook on life are FAR more relevant in determining your outcomes than what happened to your grandma, I promise you.

 

[silentkisser]

How about "cracker"? Also innocuous?

This is about power. I'm white, and I can honestly say I cannot think of an offensive term someone could say to me that would upset me like if I were a POC being called ni**er or ch*nk or some other racial epithet. While "Cracker" apparently derives from a slave owner whipping people, I wouldn't get angry about being called one.

But, the difference here is, as a white man, I am in the majority. I have perceived power and the backing of the government in ways that most POC do not feel. I get the benefit of the doubt when I walk into a store, where the clerks likely won't follow me in the aisles to make sure I don't shoplift. I have cops ignore me if I speed a little or other small traffic infractions that would probably result in a POC being pulled over.

Now, onto the topic at hand and Scott Adams....The question we should be asking is how Rasmussen conducted this poll. They are a notorious conservative polling firm who ask rigged and biased questions like "Should the government set limits on how much salt Americans can eat?" when they are talking about limiting the salt in pre-processed food. Apparently in this poll they also asked if Black people can be racist.

Now, as others have also pointed out, the whole thing about "being OK to be white" spurned from the backlash against BLM, where white supremacists tried to make it mean that black lives mattered more than any other race....which anyone who wasn't illiterate or could think critically would know was not true. Now, keep in mind that Adams has been dipping his toes in extremist right-wing rhetoric for a decade or so, it isn't shocking to see him embrace this type of bullshit.

Finally, while the right wants to whine about cancel culture and how this hurts free speech....fuck that bullshit. This is called consequences. A publisher like USA Today has the right NOT to publish work from anybody. They can choose to run what they want, when they want. That is freedom of the press. If the right-wing nut jobs want to force a publisher to print or air what they want, they are going against the First Amendment....especially if they attempt to do it via legislation.

 

[silentkisser]

Wait. What if it had something to do with attitudes and philosophy one adopts especially with the societal challenges that Black people and other visible minorities face?

Study: Black Immigrants Earn More than U.S.-Born Blacks

Nielsen research finds that black immigrants earn more than U.S-born blacks. The median household income for foreign black immigrants is 30% higher than black Americans.

www.blackenterprise.com

History clearly has an effect on the present. For all of us. But man, your own personal choices and behaviors and general outlook on life are FAR more relevant in determining your outcomes than what happened to your grandma, I promise you.

There are many things to consider when you look at this than just a comparison between what you are inferring to as "lazy, underachieving" black people compared to the hard working immigrants...

First, depending on how these black immigrants came to the US, many of them are probably well educated and could have independent wealth already. This likely allows them to get better jobs or professions. Now, compare that to someone living in a poor black community. They probably grew up in a household where the parents (maybe a single mom) worked a job that barely covered expenses. They were likely sent to a third-rate school that had little to no funding....so outdated books and equipment, and burned out teachers. What are the odds they do well on their SATs or are able to graduate? They might not even get a GED, so getting a better job has instant barriers. There are so many reasons why this is not an apples to apples comparison, it isn't even close to being fair.

Now, I'm not saying that personal choice and behaviour doesn't matter. It does. But growing up poor and black in America and the deck is really stacked against you. They don't get the same choices as an immigrant, who can choose where they live much more easier, which can also open up many more opportunities and choices.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

How about "cracker"? Also innocuous?

This is about power. I'm white, and I can honestly say I cannot think of an offensive term someone could say to me that would upset me like if I were a POC being called ni**er or ch*nk or some other racial epithet. While "Cracker" apparently derives from a slave owner whipping people, I wouldn't get angry about being called one.

Cracker originally was a term used by rich white people toward poorer whites.

 

[Frankfooter]

While what you say is completely true, this line of thinking ignores the obvious political aspect.

For example, US Data, depending on your political point of view, you really, really over- or under-estimate the number of unarmed black men killed by police.

1097 people were shot by cops in the US in 2022.

1/3 of those numbers race wasn't identified and they still had 225 Black Americans killed by cops.
What do you think is a good number?

 

[Frankfooter]

There are many things to consider when you look at this than just a comparison between what you are inferring to as "lazy, underachieving" black people compared to the hard working immigrants...

First, depending on how these black immigrants came to the US, many of them are probably well educated and could have independent wealth already. This likely allows them to get better jobs or professions. Now, compare that to someone living in a poor black community. They probably grew up in a household where the parents (maybe a single mom) worked a job that barely covered expenses. They were likely sent to a third-rate school that had little to no funding....so outdated books and equipment, and burned out teachers. What are the odds they do well on their SATs or are able to graduate? They might not even get a GED, so getting a better job has instant barriers. There are so many reasons why this is not an apples to apples comparison, it isn't even close to being fair.

Now, I'm not saying that personal choice and behaviour doesn't matter. It does. But growing up poor and black in America and the deck is really stacked against you. They don't get the same choices as an immigrant, who can choose where they live much more easier, which can also open up many more opportunities and choices.

What that study says is that its harder to overcome systematic racism in the US than in other countries, where black immigrants can come to the US and do better based on education and social support.

 

[John_Jacob]

There are many things to consider when you look at this than just a comparison between what you are inferring to as "lazy, underachieving" black people compared to the hard working immigrants...

First, depending on how these black immigrants came to the US, many of them are probably well educated and could have independent wealth already. This likely allows them to get better jobs or professions. Now, compare that to someone living in a poor black community. They probably grew up in a household where the parents (maybe a single mom) worked a job that barely covered expenses. They were likely sent to a third-rate school that had little to no funding....so outdated books and equipment, and burned out teachers. What are the odds they do well on their SATs or are able to graduate? They might not even get a GED, so getting a better job has instant barriers. There are so many reasons why this is not an apples to apples comparison, it isn't even close to being fair.

Now, I'm not saying that personal choice and behaviour doesn't matter. It does. But growing up poor and black in America and the deck is really stacked against you. They don't get the same choices as an immigrant, who can choose where they live much more easier, which can also open up many more opportunities and choices.

"lazy, underachieving" black people are YOUR words. Not mine. Don't strawman nor ad hominum me. Weird how multi-racial White Knights like yourself tend to go there first. The fact that you feel you need to lie in attempt to make your point says way way WAY more about you than it does me. Try using the big brain.

You refer to poverty and academic achievement. True to an extent. HOWEVER, while old data, it is no doubt still applicable. From the 2011 SAT dataset, Asian Americans from families with household incomes below $20k per year score higher on the SAT than many other minority American families with incomes above $100K & $200k. $20K is poverty level. It's not financial straits alone that determines achievement. Feel free to compare within Income levels as well since you emphasize dire financial straits.

We can keep going down this path you've laid out if you want.



Also, feel VERY free to provide the source & data to support your opinion of "probably well educated and could have independent wealth already". I note probably & could have which is accurate yet you still use this to support your conclusion. Show the data.

In addition, the link between doing homework and achieve is rock solid clear. It's obvious Asians have done extraordinary well due to their time spent doing homework. You can examine the others that have been looked at and draw your own conclusions.

By ignoring inconvenient data and just stating "bruh, systemic racism" you're still just perpetuating the cycle and aren't really looking for any real solution. Looking to your oppressors for succor is not a good long term solution.
To paraphrase Audre Lorde, The Master's Tools CAN Dismantle the Master's House. Choosing to ignore the best tools is dumb.





Know your facts and data before you attempt to form an opinion since you're clearly just repeating statements and have no idea about background data.

 

[John_Jacob]

What that study says is that its harder to overcome systematic racism in the US than in other countries, where black immigrants can come to the US and do better based on education and social support.

Please feel free to post your evidence that immigrants from the Caribbean get better education and social support than ABB. Data. Statistics. Not articles from the Atlantic.

Given you have yet to ONCE post any evidence or data to support any of your opinions I suspect I'll be waiting awhile.

 

[John_Jacob]

1097 people were shot by cops in the US in 2022.

1/3 of those numbers race wasn't identified and they still had 225 Black Americans killed by cops.
What do you think is a good number?

You tell me. Are these armed? Unarmed? In the middle of committing a crime? Context matters. BLM is about "unarmed" black men getting shot. Not "225 Black Americans. "

You have yet to post any evidence or data to support your positions. Please fee free to start anytime.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

There are many things to consider when you look at this than just a comparison between what you are inferring to as "lazy, underachieving" black people compared to the hard working immigrants...

First, depending on how these black immigrants came to the US, many of them are probably well educated and could have independent wealth already. This likely allows them to get better jobs or professions. Now, compare that to someone living in a poor black community. They probably grew up in a household where the parents (maybe a single mom) worked a job that barely covered expenses. They were likely sent to a third-rate school that had little to no funding....so outdated books and equipment, and burned out teachers. What are the odds they do well on their SATs or are able to graduate? They might not even get a GED, so getting a better job has instant barriers. There are so many reasons why this is not an apples to apples comparison, it isn't even close to being fair.

Now, I'm not saying that personal choice and behaviour doesn't matter. It does. But growing up poor and black in America and the deck is really stacked against you. They don't get the same choices as an immigrant, who can choose where they live much more easier, which can also open up many more opportunities and choices.

There's an addition to this that needs to be added.

Black people in America was sabotaged by White people and that includes the American government.

When black people were moving up socially and economically in the 40's, 50's and 60's, There was a joint collection of white people from all levels that conspired to stop this.

This is why you have a lot of people who speak on the outcome but don't know the history.

 

[John_Jacob]

When black people were moving up socially and economically in the 40's, 50's and 60's, There was a joint collection of white people from all levels that conspired to stop this.

Conspiracy.
Post your source on "joint collection of white people from all levels that conspired to stop this."

I know what you're referring to but I'm curious if you really understand the economic & societal context. Tell you what. Start with marriage rates of US Black/Whites in the 60s compared to the 90s and today. Start with the Success Sequence.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

Conspiracy.
Post your source on "joint collection of white people from all levels that conspired to stop this."

I know what you're referring to but I'm curious if you really understand the economic context.

What do you think I'm referring to?

Trust me you have no clue.

You're one of those people that only speak about the outcome, not the history.

 

[John_Jacob]

What do you think I'm referring to?

Trust me you have no clue.

It's your post and your original statement. The onus is on you.

 

[John_Jacob]

You're one of those people that only speak about the outcome, not the history.

Yes, yes, and you're no doubt one of those people that look (stuck?) to the past to find reasons why you shouldn't try something different today. Looking to your oppressors for succor is not a good long term strategy.