Maine School Social Worker Secretly Gender-Transitioned 13-Year-Old Girl with Chest binder to flatten her breast.

[krealtarron]

Are you joking?
You would trust the judgement and perspective of a 12 year old over your own to do the right thing? Most kids at this age think they know everything, that their parents are clued out about everything.
Kids want to keep everything secret, you're good with that? Your kid doesn't want to open up to you so it must be a problem with you?

Do you trust your kid's discretion when it comes to drinking, smoking, weed? If they develop an addiction, is it ok for a counselor to keep it private from you and determine how they will treat your child? Is it ok for your 13 year old to participate in consentual sex with an adult, get abused and this can be kept from you because the kid decides that they don't want you to find out.
What planet are you from?

I dont think he has raised kids lol. Or he is just vehemently holding on because he is that politically partisan. These guys arguing that 13 year olds know jackshit and can make their own decisions LET ALONE determine their gender identity. What in the world....

 

[Frankfooter]

I know what the point is, that's my point. Do you believe given the significance of an issue like this, given the child's age, a parent should be excluded from the process, a parent should accept anyone the state appoints, qualified or not and not have any knowledge?

Yes, parents should be excluded from counselling and therapy.
If these parents had no idea their kid was considering transition, its likely the parents who could use real counselling.

 

[Frankfooter]

A pre-pubescent kid, or a kid that has just reached puberty, doesn't know enough to self identify as a different gender. That is ridiculous woke liberal pseudo science hipsterish nonsense.

Right wingers seem to always be trying to tell other people what they can and can't think.
Clearly this kid did know enough to be curious about transition.
Have you never spoken to a 13 year old?

I've seen kids younger than that who are identifiably gay to their parents.
This isn't about the age of the kid, its about right wingers wanting to tell other people what they can and can't do.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mcgill-backlash-anti-trans-talk-1.6708251

 

[krealtarron]

Right wingers seem to always be trying to tell other people what they can and can't think.
Clearly this kid did know enough to be curious about transition.
Have you never spoken to a 13 year old?

I've seen kids younger than that who are identifiably gay to their parents.
This isn't about the age of the kid, its about right wingers wanting to tell other people what they can and can't do.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mcgill-backlash-anti-trans-talk-1.6708251

Oh please stop. I am no right winger.

However, a pre-pubescent kid however "mature" they may appear to be, needs guidance and approval from parents.

This kid did not ask to be transitioned, but was counselled by a half baked woke college kid to do so.

Somehow you think this stupid college kid has "expertise" because he has a conditional license. I mean what is the standard for obtaining such a license anyway? Any tom, dick and harry can probably get it. You are expecting me to take his and a 13 year old's word, and agree that it was completely okay for the parents to not be involved. lol.

 

[krealtarron]

Yes, parents should be excluded from counselling and therapy.
If these parents had no idea their kid was considering transition, its likely the parents who could use real counselling.

It is neither counselling, nor therapy. Its a dumb social worker, who doesn't have any life experience.

 

[mellowjello]

Yes, parents should be excluded from counselling and therapy.
If these parents had no idea their kid was considering transition, its likely the parents who could use real counselling.

Lol, how would the parents know, if everyone is keeping it a secret from them.
Is this the world you live in, where transitioning is so normalized and everyone should be able to see the signs?

You and toguy come from the same school of thought, "Parents bad, children good."

 

[Frankfooter]

This kid did not ask to be transitioned, but was counselled by a half baked woke college kid to do so.

Ok, I apologize for calling you a right winger. Though this is a right wing anti-trans movement.
But you are outright making stuff up here, there is zero evidence or reason for you to believe that this was 'grooming' vs a kid knowing what they want.

 

[Frankfooter]

Lol, how would the parents know, if everyone is keeping it a secret from them.
Is this the world you live in, where transitioning is so normalized and everyone should be able to see the signs?

You and toguy come from the same school of thought, "Parents bad, children good."

You think parents wouldn't notice chest binding and clothes and mannerisms that show gender change?
You'd have to be totally clueless as parents.

 

[mellowjello]

Right wingers seem to always be trying to tell other people what they can and can't think.
Clearly this kid did know enough to be curious about transition.
Have you never spoken to a 13 year old?

I've seen kids younger than that who are identifiably gay to their parents.
This isn't about the age of the kid, its about right wingers wanting to tell other people what they can and can't do.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mcgill-backlash-anti-trans-talk-1.6708251

I'm not a right winger either, where do you get off. Does this go back to the "maga" comment?

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm not a right winger either, where do you get off. Does this go back to the "maga" comment?

The anti trans movement is a right wing/religious movement that started in the states and seems to be moving up here.

 

[krealtarron]

Ok, I apologize for calling you a right winger. Though this is a right wing anti-trans movement.
But you are outright making stuff up here, there is zero evidence or reason for you to believe that this was 'grooming' vs a kid knowing what they want.

It is not grooming.

It is just a stupid woke kid trying to do something right. But it isn't appropriate. The right thing to do in this case is to just call the parents and have a convo along with the kid.

I am not against someone transitioning. But I believe they need to be of legal age to do so, and anything prior needs parental/guardian involvement and guidance.

 

[mellowjello]

The anti trans movement is a right wing/religious movement that started in the states and seems to be moving up here.

I'm not anti trans, nor right wing, nor religious. I just don't buy any of your bullshit about keeping parents in the dark and assuming that it's all so common place that you'd have to be a bad parent not to know your kid wants to transition. You're so self righteous and presumptuous to judge this way and readily throw parents you've never met under the bus.

 

[krealtarron]

I'm not anti trans, nor right wing, nor religious. I just don't buy any of your bullshit about keeping parents in the dark and assuming that it's all so common place that you'd have to be a bad parent not to know your kid wants to transition. You're so self righteousness and presumptuous to judge this way and readily throw parents you've never met under the bus.

I mean regardless of how much the parents are available, kids tend to hide things. Its what kids do. Now apparently people are okay with schools, social workers etc keeping them in the dark lol.

 

[mellowjello]

I mean regardless of how much the parents are available, kids tend to hide things. Its what kids do. Now apparently people are okay with schools, social workers etc keeping them in the dark lol.

I can't believe we're even having this discussion.

 

[toguy5252]

Are you joking?
You would trust the judgement and perspective of a 12 year old over your own to do the right thing? Most kids at this age think they know everything, that their parents are clued out about everything.
Kids want to keep everything secret, you're good with that? Your kid doesn't want to open up to you so it must be a problem with you?

Do you trust your kid's discretion when it comes to drinking, smoking, weed? If they develop an addiction, is it ok for a counselor to keep it private from you and determine how they will treat your child? Is it ok for your 13 year old to participate in consentual sex with an adult, get abused and this can be kept from you because the kid decides that they don't want you to find out.
What planet are you from?

You and I are obviously different. As I said I would hope that my child would have enough confidence in my wife and I to share such an important 4hing but if he/she did not there would be a reason and in those circumstances yes I would trust them. But that is me. There is usually a reason when young people feel 5hey cannot confide in a parent.

 

[krealtarron]

There is usually a reason when young people feel 5hey cannot confide in a parent.

Its called being a teen.

 

[toguy5252]

Its called being a teen.

You obviously have a very low opinion of teens and perhaps your children if you have any. That may say a lot about you. I have a very different opinion.

 

[Frankfooter]

It is not grooming.

It is just a stupid woke kid trying to do something right. But it isn't appropriate. The right thing to do in this case is to just call the parents and have a convo along with the kid.

I am not against someone transitioning. But I believe they need to be of legal age to do so, and anything prior needs parental/guardian involvement and guidance.

If you're accusing the kid of not asking, then you're accusing the counsellor of 'grooming'.
Now you're saying the kid is 'woke' as if that's an insult as well, you sure you're not right wing?

The kid won't be able to do anything other than crossdressing and living in drag until they are of legal age, at which point they would have to go through counselling and a long hormone therapy.
if you're talking about pre-pubescent kids getting hormone therapy to delay puberty, that's another thing. And that can only be done with a doctor and parental approval. I have a friend who's kid has asked for this and they are trying to figure it out. The kid is pre-pubescent but its not some passing thing for them. They've known for a while.

So I'm not really sure what you're complaining about, the kid can't do anything medical without a doctor and their parents. All the counsellor can do is offer advice and in this case, either a sports bra or chest binder.

Are you posting here complaining about something kids can't actually do?

 

[krealtarron]

If you're accusing the kid of not asking, then you're accusing the counsellor of 'grooming'.
Now you're saying the kid is 'woke' as if that's an insult as well, you sure you're not right wing?

Nonsense. What the college kid did was inappropriate. He should have called the girl's parents and had a chat. And yes I called the counsellor college kid woke. That is probably what led him to propose that the girl wear a chest binder and not tell her parents. He probably thought it was appropriate. Its not.

 

[Frankfooter]

Nonsense. What the college kid did was inappropriate. He should have called the girl's parents and had a chat. And yes I called the counsellor college kid woke. That is probably what led him to propose that the girl wear a chest binder and not tell her parents. He probably thought it was appropriate. Its not.

No, calling the kids parents would have been against school policy.
Stop demeaning the counsellor and demanding he break rules, its ridiculous.