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IDK. LG was a perennial high average hitter and Moreno was a gold chip catching prospect. That's a lot of value to give up.
Moreno can’t call a game. Odds are he gets moved away from catching where he loses a lot of his value if that does happen
 

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Moreno can’t call a game. Odds are he gets moved away from catching where he loses a lot of his value if that does happen
He's only a rookie though. That's stuff that he'll learn.
 

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After more reading, a few more points in favour of the trade.

The Jays should be significantly better defensively in the outfield/run prevention with Varsho, a gold glove finalist. As well they got that left-handed bat that they were looking for. As well I think it's probably not bad that they took a chunk (Gurriel and Hernandez) out of that Dominican clique that seemed to be apart from the rest of the team and was so keen on celebrations, which I think was a distraction. They should be more professional and focussed now. I think that this will help Vlad stay more focussed.
Lordes Gurriel is from Cuba.
 

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Jays still need to move Bichette off short to second in my opinion.

If they do that then they will have to best ''D'' of any team in baseball.

Have to admit I didn't know who Varsho was. However he's the left handed power bat that they need. He strikes out a ton though but he's young maybe he can cut that down somewhat.

Funny thing about prospects. They can turn out to be just suspects. When your flush at catcher the way the Jays are, then it's time to roll the dice. This might come back to bite them but nothing ventured nothing gained.

Lourdes had hamstring issues last year. Went on the DL twice because of it. First time in may. Second time in september. So I'm thinking that probably is the reason why his power numbers dipped. So expect him to back to 20+ Hr's next year.

Varsho kind of has a Matt Chapman feel to him. GG glove with good power but from the other side of the plate. Chapman was exactly what they thought he was so I don't see any reason Varsho wouldn't be.

The emergence of Kirk as a bonafide number one catcher is the key here. He's not just all hit either. His defense is getting better and better.

Jays are in a strong position to contend in the east this year. Their changing the fabric of this team. The Latino influences are being fazed out. Started with the firing of Montoyo. They're addressing problems and that's all the fans can ask for.
 

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Funny thing about prospects. They can turn out to be just suspects. When your flush at catcher the way the Jays are, then it's time to roll the dice. This might come back to bite them but nothing ventured nothing gained.
Of the 3, he is the one who is not a known entity. He's still a bird in the bush.

Lourdes had hamstring issues last year. Went on the DL twice because of it. First time in may. Second time in september. So I'm thinking that probably is the reason why his power numbers dipped. So expect him to back to 20+ Hr's next year.
I liked him but I don't have a big problem giving him up. He's a streaky hitter, and when he gets hot, he is super hot. But, average fielder and IIRC has always been injury prone and is not getting any younger. Injuries will take longer to heal. His trade value may be highest now, especially since his replacement is a definite upgrade and comes with 3 years more control. Jays won't have to deal with Gurriel's impending free agency. But their 3 outfielders now, may cover more territory than any other outfield and make the most spectacular catches.

kind of has a Matt Chapman feel to him. GG glove with good power but from the other side of the plate. Chapman was exactly what they thought he was so I don't see any reason Varsho wouldn't be.
Is Arizona a hitter's park? Oakland most definitely isn't. Chapman and Donaldson benefitted from hitting at the Dome.

Jays are in a strong position to contend in the east this year. Their changing the fabric of this team. The Latino influences are being fazed out. Started with the firing of Montoyo. They're addressing problems and that's all the fans can ask for.

Maybe just semantics, but I think they are toning it down as opposed to phasing it out. The size of the barrio may have been a bit exclusionary to the non-Latino's. Teo, Gurriel and Vlad were the ringleaders. With 2 of the 3 gone, there should be less fiestas and the far side of the dugout, the whole dugout for that matter, may be more mingled now.
 
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Keep in mind that Varsho has two years more of club control compared to Gurriel. That makes a huge difference, if the Jays hope to sign Bichette and/ or Guerrero to expensive extensions.

Varsho is three years younger than Gurriel, and in the next two seasons, he'll be paid about the same amount that Gurriel makes in 2023. If Gurriel has a good season in 2023, he'll make bank in his last year of arbitration eligibility, or the Diamondbacks will be looking to deal him.

Essentially, the Jays decided that Hernandez and Gurriel were not long-term assets, so they got some controllable talent in return for them, and saved money.

In assessing trades in today's game, you can't just look at past statistical numbers of the players involved to determine whether a deal is good or not. The biggest factor is the difference between the player's production and his cost, versus the market price to replace the production.

Ross Stripling was a major bargain last year at $3.7M. If he puts up similar numbers in San Francisco over the next two years, he's a major bargain at $25 Million. If he regresses, he can essentially have little trade value, because of his new cost.

Real life baseball has become more and more like a Rotisserie League. For those unfamiliar, it's a closed sports betting pool where each team is composed of individual players from different teams, each team owner accrues statistics for the players on his roster, but unlike most pools where the players are drafted sequentially, Rotisserie leagues have a fixed opening day salary cap, and players are acquired in an auction; usually $260 cap for 23 players.

I was in a couple of different Roti leagues between 1987 and 1995, and I won one in 1990, where I was hired to be the auctioneer, and got a franchise when one of the owners didn't show up for the auction. I spent $224 on bats, and $36 on pitching, then I spent much of the season trading bats for pitching. I also finished second in my other league that year, and won more than $2k, after team expenses - besides the $260 auction day fee, transactions like trades, injury replacements and September roster expansion all cost money, and are part of the prize pool.
 

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and Moreno was a gold chip catching prospect.
If I remember correctly, Travis d'Arnaud was the previous (before Moreno) gold chip catching prospect the Jays traded away. Did the Jays trade d'Arnaud because they already had J.P. Arencibia?
 
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If I remember correctly, Travis d'Arnaud was the previous (before Moreno) gold chip catching prospect the Jays traded away. Did the Jays trade d'Arnaud because they already had J.P. Arencibia?
Arencibia progressed from being the worst catcher I have seen in the majors to being the worst baseball announcer I have ever heard in the majors. He also dated one of Trump's female lawyers or PR flacks and threatened to beat anyone who criticized her. Perhaps the biggest public loser that I have ever encountered.
 
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Travis d'Arnaud was part of the RA Dickey trade, he pitched 844 inning for us, we got value. The player I didn't want to see leave was Noah Syndergaard. Under Pete Walker's tutelage he would have won multiple Cy Youngs. Moreno getting traded was almost a foregone conclusion, Jansen has gotten better overall every year and they can't afford to lose Chubby Shat from the lineup. His bat and his ability to throw out base-runners makes him almost irreplaceable. What I want most from the Jays this year is for Buck to stay healthy, losing The King took it out of me.

Chubby Shat highlights behind the plate.

 
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Moreno getting traded was almost a foregone conclusion, Jansen has gotten better overall every year and they can't afford to lose Chubby Shat from the lineup. His bat and his ability to throw out base-runners makes him almost irreplaceable.
Yes, the Jays are pretty well set with position players.

Next on the shopping list should be a shut-down relief pitcher (since they have already signed Chris Bassitt as a starter)..
 

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Whit Merrifield's contract makes him a potentially valuable trade chip:

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I highly doubt the Blue Jays will pay him $18 Million in 2024. The buyout is peanuts, if they keep him for the whole year. Between now and opening day, he's especially valuable to any team at or above the luxury tax threshold.
 

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Arencibia progressed from being the worst catcher I have seen in the majors to being the worst baseball announcer I have ever heard in the majors. He also dated one of Trump's female lawyers or PR flacks and threatened to beat anyone who criticized her. Perhaps the biggest public loser that I have ever encountered.
LOL! The only thing he didn't do was get caught jacking-off in his car.
 

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YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.

Dan Plesac, of MLB Network and former MLB pitcher predicts that the Blue Jays will win the World Series. They will face the Mets and win in 6 games.

As Jose Bautista said in '85 after Anthopoulous made some big trades in the off-season: "I don't see what can go wrong."
 
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