Is Health Care in Canada really that bad?

bmanguy

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Perhaps because we were all locked down? Maybe the COVID measures were working to keep flu down as well. You could put some thought into it than hysterically claiming "ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!" .
Yet covid spread even with lockdowns. You cant circle this square. You presented zero facts. Zero stats. Just 'ifs' 'ands' and 'maybes'.
 

bmanguy

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OMG only people with addictions go to liquor stores! lol

He must have said something in response to a question on why liquor stores are deemed essential as a way of putting a humanitarian spin on things. And you couldn't take it with a grain of salt and instead need to claim "the sole purpose of liquor stores being open is for addicts to get their fix! EEEKKKK!!".
Now its 'must've'. More lack of facts and figures. Just your dangerous assumptions.
 

bmanguy

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Perhaps because we were all locked down? Maybe the COVID measures were working to keep flu down as well. You could put some thought into it than hysterically claiming "ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!" .
So why didnt influenza taken seriously. Why werent lockdowns happening for influenza deaths before 2020. Government cares right??
 

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We (Canada) need to stop comparing our system against the USA and see how we compare to the rest of the world. We are in the upper half, but there is room for improvement.


As taxpayers/citizens we should hold all government accountable for properly managing our healthcare system and quit using it as a means of division.
 

krealtarron

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Yet covid spread even with lockdowns. You cant circle this square. You presented zero facts. Zero stats. Just 'ifs' 'ands' and 'maybes'.
Yes it was a pandemic. And COVID has a higher transmissibility than the Flu. And without those lock downs god knows how many more infections and deaths. These are facts that you conveniently choose to ignore.
 

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My Shoppers Drug Mart has NO cold / flu over-the-counter medicines.

That is third world health care by my standards.

Not 'No Choice' of over-the-counter brands, Just NO medicine.
 

krealtarron

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Now its 'must've'. More lack of facts and figures. Just your dangerous assumptions.
What dangerous assumptions? It is a politicians answer to a reporter asking a question and you are sitting here claiming that the ONLY reason they kept the stores open is to help alcoholics get their fix. You couldn't be dumber to draw that conclusion.
 

krealtarron

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So why didnt influenza taken seriously. Why werent lockdowns happening for influenza deaths before 2020. Government cares right??
Because it wasn't a pandemic.
 

bmanguy

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What dangerous assumptions? It is a politicians answer to a reporter asking a question and you are sitting here claiming that the ONLY reason they kept the stores open is to help alcoholics get their fix. You couldn't be dumber to draw that conclusion.
You really need education. You presented zero stats and zero facts. This isnt how debates work lol. Facts dont care about opinions and assumptions. I literally destroyed all your arguments and counter-arguments.

No offence but youre wayyy too ignorant and dumb to debate with me. Maybe if you also graduated from Osgoode law school you can debate with me. For now, stick to your base.

Government and Pfizer wants you to take a vaccine dildo. Make sure to get it ASAP.

Anyways I have actual work to do. Please educate yourself. Go to the library and stop watching Television.
 

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Thats you lumping me into a group lol. You follow a crowd. Who said left wing cant love guns. Where is it written that left wing must hate guns lol.

Your group politics is the reason Canada is failing.

Group politics also led to World War 2. Ieveryone just went along with a side of a spectrum..

Dangerous and stupid
Another lumping is how there is a larger percentage of right wingers without a college education than of left wingers.

You remember how trump said that he loved the poorly educated?

FYI, your posts are not only comical, they are downright non-sensical.
 
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So why didnt influenza taken seriously. Why werent lockdowns happening for influenza deaths before 2020. Government cares right??
If you look back to the origional Flu Pandemic yes things like mask mandates and local lockdowns occured. Then eventually herd immunity happened(after about 50 million deaths) and leveled off after vaccines came into play to immune compromised people.

So yes it was taken seriously. UNTIL VACCINES CAME IN. THEN AS LONG AS THERE AREN'T TOO MANY DUMBASSES its not a big problem.

Same with Covid. Getting better vaccines out faster caused many less deaths, and less per capita as well as in total.

There's your facts.
 
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bazokajoe

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So you admit, that you are totally biased, which shapes your opinion.

I've said many times that I am not beholden to any party or ideology. I try to look at things on a case by case basis. Base my opinion of the facts at hand.

Just like people, no party of philosophy is correct all the time. Yet there are too many people who will tow the party line 100% of the time. And most often, it takes the form of right wing tribalism. In the U.S. it is called tDS, trump Devotee Syndrome.
Not biased at all.
I have voted in the past for the Federal Liberals. Paul Martin and Jean Chretien were good PM's.
Byt it's so easy to see what Trudeau is all about, and it's all about his pet projects. Not about what's right or good for Canadians.
 
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bazokajoe

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Why is it ignorant to point the facts that prove they are trying. Attempting that argument on your part IS ignorant.
Why is it ignorant to point the facts that prove they are trying. Attempting that argument on your part IS ignorant.
When you come up with firm proof he is trying to privatize health care get back to me.
 

krealtarron

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You really need education. You presented zero stats and zero facts. This isnt how debates work lol. Facts dont care about opinions and assumptions. I literally destroyed all your arguments and counter-arguments.

No offence but youre wayyy too ignorant and dumb to debate with me. Maybe if you also graduated from Osgoode law school you can debate with me. For now, stick to your base.

Government and Pfizer wants you to take a vaccine dildo. Make sure to get it ASAP.

Anyways I have actual work to do. Please educate yourself. Go to the library and stop watching Television.
You need therapy. And maybe some of that weed that you are so afraid of to calm down and be less hysterical.
 

Butler1000

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My Shoppers Drug Mart has NO cold / flu over-the-counter medicines.

That is third world health care by my standards.

Not 'No Choice' of over-the-counter brands, Just NO medicine.
This isnt a public health issue.

This is a private company/supply chain issue. Specifically where "just in time" supply chain ordering broke down, again.

So feel free to blame unfettered capitalism.
 

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Firstly, Canada needs immigration. Canada is in a demographic decline and needs immigration. About 300,000 immigrants per year, is less than 1% of the population and they are responsible for rising real estate prices? What cheap right wing koolaid did you chug this morning? If at all that is true, then develop other parts of Ontario and immigrants will go there. Also it is objectively true that poverty is lowest currently. The pandemic management was not perfect, but he couldn't have done much else considering the circumstances. It was a net positive though.

Also what moronic hyperbole to call Trudeau the "the biggest disaster", "the most dangerous man" etc., I would much rather have Trudeau than some white supremacist nutjob like Pee Pee.
Those are all lies. The last thing Canada needs is more immigration. Population increase contributes to higher rates of poverty, more crime, more pollution, and lower quality of life. I would think you would understand that after average rents in Toronto for a 3 1/2 is over $2200. Demographic decline is a good thing. Trudeau does not want that because the more immigrants come, the more votes he gets and the more money big business and landlords make.
 
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CLOUD 500

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How about Sweden and the other Nordic States. By the way Cuba and Venezuela are hardly shining examples of democracies.

I believe Jalimon supports socialized medicine as opposed to overall socialism.

Do you support the concept of income tax. Having to share your income with other people is a much bigger form of socialism. Why aren't you campaigning for zero income tax?
The Nordic states manage with a welfare state because first they do not have a mass immigration policy like in Canada and they are not sending millions of taxpayers money to foreign countries. In response to another poster who believes the lies the media says on how Canada needs more immigration, he is wrong. Nordic countries successfully maintained a welfare state by keeping the population small.

As for income tax, what I have to say is taxation is theft. No one is better at spending your money then you. Government track record is poor and they waste it anyways. Taking money by force is the definition of theft. I say the income tax act should be abolished. At the minimum the fairtax act should be brought in instead but no more. Make government as small as possible and reduce the bureaucrats, way too many.
 

krealtarron

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Those are all lies. The last thing Canada needs is more immigration. Population increase contributes to higher rates of poverty, more crime, more pollution, and lower quality of life. I would think you would understand that after average rents in Toronto for a 3 1/2 is over $2200. Demographic decline is a good thing. Trudeau does not want that because the more immigrants come, the more votes he gets and the more money big business and landlords make.
That is the most comically ridiculous thing regarding immigration I have heard yet.

In reality, population increase leads to higher GDP, more taxes, more income and consequently a better quality of life.

Oh btw, Canada does not have a mass immigration policy. And no demographic decline is not a good thing lmfao.

Your motivations behind your opposition to immigration may very well just be good old fashioned racism, nothing else.
 
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