Iran still enriching to 60%

[basketcase]

We are talking about Israel, not Saudi Arabia. ...

No, you're talking about Israel in a thread about Iran enriching to 60%. Why are you so desperate to avoid discussing whether Iran with highly enriched uranium is a good thing for the world?

And sorry, you claim was the trope about Israel controlling the US. It doesn't. Some Americans lobby their government on middle east policy. The fact that you don't want to include the massive lobbying effort and impact of Saudi Arabia shows the same kind of fixation franky has.

Do you really think it's a good idea for many more countries to get nukes? Do you think it's good to have more authoritarian governments to have nuclear weapons? Or is this just a desire to defend Iran and blame Israel?

 

[basketcase]

BTW Frank, you have repeatedly argued nuclear proliferation is a bad thing. Do you have any comment on the new guy saying every country has the right to have nukes?

 

[krealtarron]

No, you're talking about Israel in a thread about Iran enriching to 60%. Why are you so desperate to avoid discussing whether Iran with highly enriched uranium is a good thing for the world?

I responded to a comment that it was antisemitic to criticize Israeli policies. Or to say they have political clout. It isn't. I also addressed Iran developing nukes in my last post. I don't think its good or bad for the world per se. But necessary. Necessary to defend their sovereignty. It is also a kind of a dishonest question cuz how can developing a WMD be "good" for the world?

And sorry, you claim was the trope about Israel controlling the US. It doesn't. Some Americans lobby their government on middle east policy. The fact that you don't want to include the massive lobbying effort and impact of Saudi Arabia shows the same kind of fixation franky has.

You are saying that, not me. I said Israel has significant political clout in Washington D.C, and that is a statement of fact. Also it isn't just "some Americans" that lobby their govt on middle east foreign policy. What a disingenuous statement. These are big, very powerful organizations, like the AIPAC, Christians United for Israel with millions in funding/membership/lobbying expenditure. Sure the Saudis do it too, but they don't have the clout the Israeli lobby has.

Do you really think it's a good idea for many more countries to get nukes? Do you think it's good to have more authoritarian governments to have nuclear weapons? Or is this just a desire to defend Iran and blame Israel?

Nukes are never good but they are an unfortunate reality. And a good deterrent. In the last 50 years, how many countries has Iran invaded? How many have they attacked? How many regimes have they tried to overthrow? None.

So this "authoritarian" country, has done nothing, while the supposed bastions of democracy and freedom, US and Israel, have NUKED, invaded, instituted regime change, extra judicially killed Iran's military leaders and scientists, violated international air space to recon them, imposed harsh economic sanctions to name just a few. This is not including their actions in other neighbouring Arab nations.

You need to check your perspective on who the aggressor is here and not blindly parrot some pro-Israeli bull crap that people in this part of the world are indoctrinated with.

 

[Frankfooter]

Iran has no civilian use for 60% uranium. That is a fact. They have absolutely no facilities, infrastructure, or market for those medical isotopes and have given absolutely no indication that they will be using HEU for it. Sorry but that Swedish peace group's analysis is spot on.

You asked if there was a civilian use.
There is.
Now you claim Iran can't do it because .......

P.S. you keep ignoring the fact that Iran are the ones who refused to rejoin the deal, according to them because the IAEA wants answers on undeclared nuclear sites.

Iran signed the NPT and the JCPOA until Trump agreed with Israel and the US pulled out of the deal. Not Iran.
Israel has never signed the NPT, allowed inspections and is now being called on to dismantle all weapons.
Israel is also the one threatening war.

Israelis press U.S. not to rejoin Iran nuclear deal

But as they near a restoration of the 2015 agreement, Biden administration officials are unlikely to heed the Israeli calls.

www.politico.com

Israel, US to hold air drill simulating striking Iran nuclear program

The drill, one of the largest Israel Air Force drills in years, will include long-range flights such as those that Israeli pilots might need to make in order to reach Iran.

www.jpost.com

 

[Frankfooter]

BTW Frank, you have repeatedly argued nuclear proliferation is a bad thing. Do you have any comment on the new guy saying every country has the right to have nukes?

Gaslighting.

 

[basketcase]

.... I also addressed Iran developing nukes in my last post. I don't think its good or bad for the world per se. But necessary. Necessary to defend their sovereignty. It is also a kind of a dishonest question cuz how can developing a WMD be "good" for the world?
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Thanks for admitting who you are. Just another defender of repressive countries who excuses it with an obsession about Jews and Israel. Hell, you won't even admit that Iran has a repressive government. Does this whole thing about killing a woman for not covering her hair and shooting protesters who complained about it not qualify?

Canada sanctions more Iranian officials, including one seen near Toronto

Talaei was seen working out at a Richmond Hill gym this year, sparking criticism from diaspora groups who wondered why he was issued a visa

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[basketcase]

Gaslighting.

???Guy clearly said that nuclear proliferation isn't a bad thing and an absolute right for any country. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[krealtarron]

Thanks for admitting who you are. Just another defender of repressive countries who excuses it with an obsession about Jews and Israel. Hell, you won't even admit that Iran has a repressive government. Does this whole thing about killing a woman for not covering her hair and shooting protesters who complained about it not qualify?

Canada sanctions more Iranian officials, including one seen near Toronto

Talaei was seen working out at a Richmond Hill gym this year, sparking criticism from diaspora groups who wondered why he was issued a visa

www.theglobeandmail.com

Iran is definitely a repressive government, no doubt. I dont support their system of government or the fact that they impose islamic law on their people. I would also like to point out that shooting protestors etc happens here in the west too. Where were you during the BLM protests?

That said, Iran's repressive laws, neither justify western interference nor western military/economic aggression on Iran, effectively threatening their sovereignty. As I said before, although Iran is repressive, when was the last time they actually were aggressive to a foreign nation? Never. When was the last time the US and Israel engaged in aggressive action toward Iran? There are plenty of instances. That right there justifies Iran developing nuclear weapons.

The fact that you chose to answer my post, with the typical - Iran is a repressive muslim country, while trying to accuse me of anti-semitism, shows who YOU are. You would support any sort of brutal action towards people you don't like, while constantly accusing anyone of anti-semitism should they dare to question your motives.

 

[Frankfooter]

???Guy clearly said that nuclear proliferation isn't a bad thing and an absolute right for any country. Do you agree or disagree?

You're gaslighting.

If you were against nuclear proliferation you'd be arguing for Israel to sign and abide by the NPT, as well as to dismantle all nukes as requested by the UN.
You'd also be for Iran renewing the JCPOA and resuming inspections to confirm they aren't building nukes.

If you were against oppressive governments you'd be against apartheid as well as Iranian and Chinese crackdowns.

But you're not, you're against both Iran and Israel signing nuclear treaties because that makes war less likely.
That's why you post about Iran.

 

[basketcase]

You're gaslighting.
...

Do you even know what the term gaslighting means? Of proliferation. K said every country has the right to nuclear weapons. You just don't want to criticize him because he's also defending Iran. Proliferation means spreading. Israel has had nukes since the mid '60's so them keeping what they have is not proliferation. You also keep blabbing about Israel joining the NPT but stupidly ignore that as existing powers (even in 1968), they would be allowed to continue being a nuclear power.

p.s.

Iran triples capacity for enriching uranium to 60%, near weapons grade, IAEA says

International Atomic Energy Agency warns 'this has consequences' and calls for inspections as watchdog remains at odds with Tehran

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[basketcase]

Iran is definitely a repressive government, no doubt....

... - Iran is a repressive muslim country, while trying to accuse me of anti-semitism, shows who YOU are. ...

Wow that's stupid. You (eventually) admit Iran is a repressive country and then claim that I'm racist for saying so. And your only excuse is to insert the word Muslim in there which was your invention.


p.s. What "aggression" against Iran are you talking about? The sanctions because Iran is engaging in extremely suspicious nuclear activity? The sanctions on Iran's terror designated IRGC Quds force? And speaking of the Quds force, you should really look at what they do before claiming Iran isn't aggressive to foreign countries.

What is Iran's secretive Quds Force?

After a U.S. strike killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani, NBC News looks at the secretive Quds Force that he headed and his successor, Maj. Gen. Esmail Ghaani.

www.nbcnews.com

The Role of the Qods Force in the Foreign Policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran

cejiss.org

p.p.s. I reserve statements about anti-semites solely for people who meet Canada's definition of anti-semitism.

 

[krealtarron]

Wow that's stupid. You (eventually) admit Iran is a repressive country and then claim that I'm racist for saying so. And your only excuse is to insert the word Muslim in there which was your invention.

You brought up Iran being repressive. Iran being repressive has nothing to do with this particular discussion. You brought it up solely to muddy the waters with the stereotypical - "They are a repressive muslim nation" seemingly to take moral high ground and allude to me being anti-semitic (your statement "thanks for admitting who you are") as a way of shutting down conversation. I mean the moment you say that of course the typical reaction would be for your opponent to get defensive right? That was dishonest of you to argue in that manner.

p.s. What "aggression" against Iran are you talking about? The sanctions because Iran is engaging in extremely suspicious nuclear activity? The sanctions on Iran's terror designated IRGC Quds force? And speaking of the Quds force, you should really look at what they do before claiming Iran isn't aggressive to foreign countries.

What is Iran's secretive Quds Force?

After a U.S. strike killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani, NBC News looks at the secretive Quds Force that he headed and his successor, Maj. Gen. Esmail Ghaani.

www.nbcnews.com

The Role of the Qods Force in the Foreign Policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran

cejiss.org

Yeah so? Israel has special forces that specialize in foreign operations. The US has the CIA/JSOC. So why can't Iran have a force like that? How is it okay for Israel and the US to interfere in other countries affairs, invade them, institute regime change etc, while Iran can't have a military intelligence wing? They immediately become aggressive when all they are doing is responding in kind.

And what aggression? Why dont we start with the 1953 coup to install a regime that was friendly with the west? What about assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists by the Mossad? What about sending drones into Iranian air space to recon them - violating international law? Even economic sanctions against Iran is an act of aggression. Those are just a few instances.

 

[Frankfooter]

Proliferation means spreading. Israel has had nukes since the mid '60's so them keeping what they have is not proliferation. You also keep blabbing about Israel joining the NPT but stupidly ignore that as existing powers (even in 1968), they would be allowed to continue being a nuclear power.

Israel must get rid of its nuclear weapons, UNGA majority decides
Israel never admitted to possess nuclear weapons, but nevertheless, the UNGA resolution was aimed at Israel, not Iran.

Why is it aimed at Israel?
Because they have the bomb and Iran doesn't.

 

[basketcase]

You brought up Iran being repressive. Iran being repressive has nothing to do with this particular discussion. ...

A discussion about Iran and their potential for nuclear weapons has nothing to do with whether Iran has a responsible government? That's interesting. And you're pathetically pretending my view on Iran is racist. Russia and China are also repressive governments. Is it racist of me to say that too?


BTW. You said Iran wasn't aggressive against other countries and when called out, you pull a franky and try to blame Israel. And seriously, Quds Force is a designated terrorist entity according to Canada, they are not an intelligence group.

 

[basketcase]

Israel...

More of your Jew obsession to hide that fact that your version of human rights only has to do with whether you can blame Israel.

Iran triples capacity for enriching uranium to 60%, near weapons grade, IAEA says

International Atomic Energy Agency warns 'this has consequences' and calls for inspections as watchdog remains at odds with Tehran

www.timesofisrael.com

Why is it you make excuses for Iran while frothing because Israel has had nukes with no issues for longer than either of us have been alive?

 

[Frankfooter]

More of your Jew obsession to hide that fact that your version of human rights only has to do with whether you can blame Israel.

That's an antisemitic trope.
I'm posting about Israeli policy, not the Jewish people.

Its more telling that you think the country you claim to be a democracy is really a theocracy for one religion.

Iran should renew and abide by the JCPOA.
Israel should sign the NPT and dismantle their nukes.
Its not hard to be morally consistent.

 

[krealtarron]

A discussion about Iran and their potential for nuclear weapons has nothing to do with whether Iran has a responsible government? That's interesting. And you're pathetically pretending my view on Iran is racist. Russia and China are also repressive governments. Is it racist of me to say that too?


BTW. You said Iran wasn't aggressive against other countries and when called out, you pull a franky and try to blame Israel. And seriously, Quds Force is a designated terrorist entity according to Canada, they are not an intelligence group.

Canada is a US lackey. They are of course going to designate someone opposed to the US as a terrorist group. This does'nt mean much. It means as much as Iran designating JSOC as a terror group.

And yes, Iran being a repressive state, has nothing to do with a discussion on their right to sovereignty. As I said, name an occasion when they were aggressive to another country? What they do within their borders is no one's business. Your only answer was the Quds force. But that is a dishonest answer considering how Israel has Mossad, Sayaret Matkal and the US has JSOC, CIA and many other entities. And these entities have committed far more violence against Iran. In comparison Iran has done nothing.

 

[basketcase]

That's an antisemitic trope.
I'm posting about Israeli policy, not the Jewish people.

Its more telling that you think the country you claim to be a democracy is really a theocracy for one religion.

Iran should renew and abide by the JCPOA.
Israel should sign the NPT and dismantle their nukes.
Its not hard to be morally consistent.

What a fucked up world when people claim it's racist to criticize racism. The fact that you keep defending Iran while trying to change the thread to Israel is the proof. Iran has tripled their completely unjustifiable production of 60% uranium but all you want to talk about is "israel..."

Your Jew obsession also shows here because you don't say a word about other non-NPT nuclear powers or Iran violating the NPT. Means you're with Pakistan, India, and North Korea having nukes, just not Israel.


p.s. Where do you get the stupid idea that joining the NPT requires existing powers to get rid of nukes? Obviously that didn't apply to the US, UK, France, or China.

 

[krealtarron]

What a fucked up world when people claim it's racist to criticize racism. The fact that you keep defending Iran while trying to change the thread to Israel is the proof. Iran has tripled their completely unjustifiable production of 60% uranium but all you want to talk about is "israel..."

Nice try, trying to spin legitimate criticism of Israel as racism. That tactic is quite old.

Your Jew obsession also shows here because you don't say a word about other non-NPT nuclear powers or Iran violating the NPT. Means you're with Pakistan, India, and North Korea having nukes, just not Israel.

Like I said before Iran is being threatened by the US and Israel economically and militarily. Nukes are a good deterrent. There is a reason why no one tries to invade North Korea.

 

[Happyhomer]

There is a reason why no one tries to invade North Korea.

Why would anyone want to invade North Korea? It’s super poor, has no assets or value.

Nice try, trying to spin legitimate criticism of Israel as racism. That tactic is quite old.


Like I said before Iran is being threatened by the US and Israel economically and militarily. Nukes are a good deterrent.

Singling out Israel for criticism when a dozen other countries have exactly the same situation (US, UK, China, France, etc.) is antisemitism.

Iran is theocratic and unstable. It is ruled by a unelected religious leader who has stated his intentions to destroy other countries. Iran getting nuclear weapons is not a good thing for humanity.