In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

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And? If they ever get power and actually follow through, we will see. Until then,...
Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and the UN all investigated and found Israel apartheid.
Canada can't support apartheid.

The liberals will be the next, judging from what my MP told me during the summer.
You know its coming, you've known it for years.
 

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The goal of BDS is simply delegitimizing Israel. Like the Palestinian leadership, they refuse to endorse any peace plan.

According to Canada and many other Western democracies,
You found a 7 year old tweet!
Congrats.

Trudeau won't tweet that again.
 

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Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and the UN...
Yet you ignore all those people when they say Hamas rockets are indefensible, attacks on Jewish civilians, even in the West Bank, are completely unjustified, and that a Two State peace is the only foreseeable path forward.

Words have meaning. Saying Israel has a system of legal separation and persecution based on race is absolutely stupid when 20% of Israel is the same 'race' as the 'persecuted'.


Still waiting for you to say which Palestinian leaders support either a Two State or egalitarian One State peace.
 

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You found a 7 year old tweet!
Congrats.

Trudeau won't tweet that again.
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Does that mean you're admitting that BDS does not endorse and kind of peace plan and that you admit most Western democracies condemn BDS as unproductive and home for racism?

Dream all you want but Israel is a trade partner and Hamas is a designated terrorist entity.
 

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p.s. Why are you still desperately avoiding the topic of protesting Canadians by because they have the same religion as countries you hate?
 

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Yet you ignore all those people when they say Hamas rockets are indefensible, attacks on Jewish civilians, even in the West Bank, are completely unjustified, and that a Two State peace is the only foreseeable path forward.

Words have meaning.
Words have meaning.
When I say charge Hamas and Israel for all allegations raised by Amnesty, HRW and B'tselem, those words mean what they say.
Not what you write.

So stop lying about what I write here.
 

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Does that mean you're admitting that BDS does not endorse and kind of peace plan
BDS supports boycotts, divestment and sanctions to end Israeli apartheid.
That is a peaceful resolution, giving all those who live under Israeli rule the chance to vote for the kind of state they want to live in.
All peoples there should get to vote.
Its a democracy, isn't it?

Or is it just an apartheid state and illegal occupation?
 

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BDS supports boycotts, divestment and sanctions to end Israeli apartheid.
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Right. They don't support any path towards peace, only delegitimizing Israel's existence. That's why many Western democracies have declared them counterproductive and a home for anti-semites.


It's exactly the same as the Palestinian leadership who don't endorse any peace plan that includes Jews having full rights.
 

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Words have meaning.
When I say charge Hamas and Israel for all allegations raised by Amnesty, HRW and B'tselem, those words mean what they say.
Not what you write.

So stop lying about what I write here.
Do you not remember what you've posted previously or are there multiple people using your handle?

Apartheid has a meaning that does not describe Israel. There is systemic racism but you know that the term isn't emotionally laden enough to engender the hatred you want.
 

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Right. They don't support any path towards peace, only delegitimizing Israel's existence.
Are you arguing that Israel can only exist as an apartheid state?

Do you not remember what you've posted previously or are there multiple people using your handle?
I'll call you out on this yet again.
Provide a quote or admit that you are lying.
And we both know you are lying and will just try to change the subject.

Apartheid has a meaning that does not describe Israel. There is systemic racism but you know that the term isn't emotionally laden enough to engender the hatred you want.
You don't get to define the term, its already defined.
“The 1998 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court came into law after the collapse of the old South Africa. It is a forward-looking legal instrument which prohibits apartheid as a crime against humanity today and into the future, wherever it may exist.”
Canadian lawyer, Michael Lynk, the UN Rapporteur has already made it official.
All the world's countries have now been told that Israel is apartheid.

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert


Just stop backing apartheid.
 

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Are you arguing that ...
BDS does not endorse any peace plan. You claim to support peace and equal rights but you happily endorse a group that doesn't support any peace concept, even the one you want Palestinians forced into. Another case of your fraud.

According to the rights groups you selectively quote, Hamas and other terror factions in Gaza launching indiscriminate rockets are war crimes and have no justification. You keep referring to them as self defence.
According to the rights groups you selectively quote, attacks on random Jews, whether in Israel or the West Bank, are not self defence. You keep trying to make the topic where the attack occurs and try to claim settlers are legitimate military targets.
According to the UN, a Two State peace is the only reasonable path forward. You pretend to support a One State peace that Palestinians hate and you refuse to criticize the Palestinian leadership that outright rejects the concept.


And you keep pushing the Apartheid demonization despite 20% of Israelis being the exact same race as Palestinians but have full legal rights (regardless of what a guy hired by the Rights-abusers Council says).
 

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If you want to discuss something equitably,

In my opinion, anyone who espouses these kinds of racist views has no place in politics (or society). Are you willing to say the same about groups like Hamas who openly call for the removal of Jews from the region?
 

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BDS does not endorse any peace plan. You claim to support peace and equal rights but you happily endorse a group that doesn't support any peace concept, even the one you want Palestinians forced into. Another case of your fraud.
BDS's goal is the end of apartheid.
That will lead to peace.
Give Palestinians full rights and the right to vote.

While all you want is more colonization, more occupation, more killing and more apartheid.

According to the rights groups you selectively quote, Hamas and other terror factions in Gaza launching indiscriminate rockets are war crimes and have no justification. You keep referring to them as self defence.
According to the rights groups you selectively quote, attacks on random Jews, whether in Israel or the West Bank, are not self defence. You keep trying to make the topic where the attack occurs and try to claim settlers are legitimate military targets.
According to the UN, a Two State peace is the only reasonable path forward. You pretend to support a One State peace that Palestinians hate and you refuse to criticize the Palestinian leadership that outright rejects the concept.
Yes, Hamas rockets are war crimes like Israeli artillery and tank fire are war crimes. Which is different a lesser war crime than apartheid and intentionally targeting civilians as Israel continues to do.
What is this 'random Jew' nonsense? I never use those terms and never talk about attacks on 'random' people.
The two state solution is dead, there have been no talks for almost a decade while Israel has taken too much of what should have been Palestine to make it possible. Nobody thinks its going to happen any more.
So end apartheid instead, the two state solution is gone.

And you keep pushing the Apartheid demonization despite 20% of Israelis being the exact same race as Palestinians but have full legal rights (regardless of what a guy hired by the Rights-abusers Council says).
No, there are 4 levels of apartheid under Israeli rule, Gaza, the West Bank, Jerusalem and inside the Green Line. The UN and all other reports have clearly stated that each of those has their own form of apartheid but its all apartheid. Stop pushing nonsense.

 

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If you want to discuss something equitably,

In my opinion, anyone who espouses these kinds of racist views has no place in politics (or society). Are you willing to say the same about groups like Hamas who openly call for the removal of Jews from the region?
I'm not really interested in helping you demonize Palestinians by trying to call them all Hamas 'terrorists'.
If you're really interested in ending hate, commit to ending apartheid and having the ICC and ICJ charge all those who are committing war crimes on both sides.

When you post stuff like this, I don't see any air in your position and someone like Bezalel Smotrich:
"They are the first to lead the hostile discourse against Israel and against its right to exist," he said, adding that the widespread massacre of Jewish citizens by their Arab compatriots was “a more realistic scenario than ever.”

But your views are an extreme minority here, with more people supporting actions like this.
German Jews file war crimes charges against Israeli leaders

You'd never, ever join a call for both sides to be held to the law.
Nor will you ever accept equal rights for Palestinians.
 
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BDS's goal is the end of apartheid.
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Right. They push bullshit claims instead of pushing peace. BDS does not support a One State peace. BDS does not support a Two State peace. Yet despite not supporting any peace plan, you still push their propaganda. Thankfully many Western democracies have called out BDS for the counterproductive home for racists that it is.
 

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I'm not really interested in helping you demonize Palestinians by trying to call them all Hamas 'terrorists'.
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What a surprise, you're incapable of criticizing Hamas. You see a fringe Israeli party wanting to limit rights oif Israeli citizens as 'proof' of Israel's evil but are absolutely silent when it comes to Hamas's stated policy that amounts to ethnic cleansing.


Pretty strange world you live in where peace is bad and Hamas is good.
 

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Right. They push bullshit claims instead of pushing peace. BDS does not support a One State peace. BDS does not support a Two State peace. Yet despite not supporting any peace plan, you still push their propaganda. Thankfully many Western democracies have called out BDS for the counterproductive home for racists that it is.
So what?
End apartheid, that's what is important.
By the way, Israel isn't a democracy, its an apartheid country.
You can't be democratic if more than half the people living under your rule can't vote and don't have basic human rights.

End apartheid.
 

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What a surprise, you're incapable of criticizing Hamas. You see a fringe Israeli party wanting to limit rights oif Israeli citizens as 'proof' of Israel's evil but are absolutely silent when it comes to Hamas's stated policy that amounts to ethnic cleansing.


Pretty strange world you live in where peace is bad and Hamas is good.
See, you're back to sounding just like Bezalel Smotrich.
All you're doing here is trying to label all Palestinians as 'terrorist' for committing fewer of the same acts that Israel commits.
Just end apartheid.

Far-right lawmaker calls to outlaw Arab parties
Bezalel Smotrich argues Arab legislators 'first to lead the hostile discourse against Israel and against its right to exist'; Joint List's Touma-Sliman hits back, labeling him 'racist Jewish supremacist'
 

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See, you're back to sounding just like Bezalel Smotrich.
All you're doing here is trying to label all Palestinians as 'terrorist' for committing fewer of the same acts that Israel commits.
Just end apartheid.

Far-right lawmaker calls to outlaw Arab parties
Bezalel Smotrich argues Arab legislators 'first to lead the hostile discourse against Israel and against its right to exist'; Joint List's Touma-Sliman hits back, labeling him 'racist Jewish supremacist'
I know you don't read but you obviously missed the post a couple back where I already condemned them and will so again. That fringe Israeli party is racist and deserves condemnation.

And of course you happily ignore that Hamas and many Palestinian parties openly promote the removal of Jews from the region. You know, ethnic cleansing. Of course instead of acknowledging that you are backing racist groups like Gaza's government, you try to pretend it's racist to call Hamas a terrorist group.

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