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Valcazar

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You missed this in my post, so I will repost it yet again.
Because of the presence of Russian military inside Ukraine borders, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said March 3 ,2016.
"Ukraine will definitely not be able to become a member of the EU in the next 20 to 25 years, and not of NATO either,"
FYI 2016 is before 2022.
But that didn't satisfy Russia.
According to nottyboi, Russia's demand was that Ukraine be permanently barred from joining NATO.
NATO had to rewrite their charter to remove the part that said any country can apply for membership.
NATO saying a country that wanted to apply wouldn't qualify wasn't good enough.
 

six_pac

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Ukraine has actually had a long history as a separate culture. West of the Dnipro, Ukraine has always had its own language, history and culture. East of the Dnipro, Ukrainians and Russians settled the area together and intermingled.

But the idea that Ukraine is an artificial state that was created as a plaything of NATO is totally wrong.
No it is not, and no one said it is plaything of NATO but yourself.

It is quite artifivial in this current form, that was the whole point.
 

six_pac

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Having a distinct language is a pretty good sign that there is and has been a cultural identity for a few centuries.
Glad you have said that, follow the area where that language is used and it gives you natrual borders of this make shift country
 

mandrill

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No it is not, and no one said it is plaything of NATO but yourself.
It is quite artifivial in this current form, that was the whole point.
Actually, no.

The entire country how has a set of shared values. They now all hate Russia and that's enough to keep them together.
 

six_pac

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Actually, no.

The entire country how has a set of shared values. They now all hate Russia and that's enough to keep them together.
Actually NO, again you keep ignoring the fact that millions of ppl dont want to be a part of tbat frankenstein state, and this is whag brought you to where you are.
 

mandrill

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Actually NO, again you keep ignoring the fact that millions of ppl dont want to be a part of tbat frankenstein state, and this is whag brought you to where you are.
Who are these people, 6-pac?

In 2014, numerous people in Donbass rejected Kyiv and chose to secede in the hope that they would be accepted as part of Russia. There was also some disruption in other Russian-speaking areas - such as Kharkiv and Odessa - where groups of anti Kyiv separatists indicated that they wished to remain closely aligned with Moscow.

By 2022, these elements had disappeared. Life in Ukraine politically and economically was far better than in Russia and discontent had largely ended.
 

Valcazar

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Glad you have said that, follow the area where that language is used and it gives you natrual borders of this make shift country
Interesting!
So are you in favor of the US and Canada breaking up as well, then?
 

Darts

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"Is Russia now so short of manpower that it simply can't defend strategically vital areas near Kharkiv?"
Didn't Putin say he'll just go and grab 137,000 more men and women for his military adventure?

Also, can't his good friend Kim loan him a couple million North Korean soldiers? Just kidding.
 

Valcazar

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No mention of the thousands of Ukrainian civilians and children being held in "filtration camps" in Russia.?
Because that's not what that thread is about.
It is specifically about the risks coming up due to the sudden turn in Ukraine's favor.
Russia's willingness to commit warcrimes and atrocities doesn't mean we should accept it from Ukraine.
 
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