Dr. Birx now says it was likely a lab leak
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Was the Calgary Stampede closed in 2020 to avoid zoonotic transfer or was it closed due to the Covid-19 pandemic resulting from an accidental lab leak in Wuhan ?
I guess you never took a course in logic.
China's hiding of information is evidence that they hate international embarrassment. That has been part of Chinese culture for millennia.
You have already admitted that there is nothing that can change your mind so you can continue barking at the moon. In the meantime, the scientific world sees a zoonotic outbreak in a market that contained species that have been known to carry covid as more likely than the virus leaking from the lab and travelling halfway across the city before an outbreak occurred.
And you really are in Q-anon territory if you give any credence to the lab manipulating the covid virus when every study around the world has found nothing in the genome to support that.
Right. Canada immediately ordered the farmers to kill their cattle, sterilize their farms, and not reopen until they had new stock. What China did was very different. They had all the animals in the market killed off and the market sterilized before letting it reopen. Completely different.
If Covid-19 did in fact escape from the Wuhan lab, there would have been asymptotic transfer to the Wuhan population by lab workers in the early stages of Wuhans catastrophe as well as from symptomatic transfer from obviously ill lab workers. There was not tests available in the early stages and cover ups, mendacity and obfuscation was already happening.
The asymptomatic lab workers probably infected the wet market workers as well as the general population.in the early stages.
The zoonotic transfer theory is unlikely because Covid-19 was strangely too ”human friendly “ for a nouvel contagion meaning that it most probably had been deliberately interacted in the lab with human cells for the purpose of scientific research resulting in our current misadventure.
I would say that the egregious actions of the PRC and their WHO in this pandemic do not justify the desire to avoid embarrassment at all costs. What a cost to humanity!!. They are not fooling anyone, nor is the zoonotic cabal that even the PRC rejects.
The previous post which you called “stupid” was in response to satire from another poster.
I took a course in symbolic logic actually which is seriously augmented in usefulness and practicality when used with common sense.
The information censored and destroyed by the Wuhan Lab might change my mind, who knows. You are ignoring the now evident characteristic of Covid-19 associated with asymptomatic transfer. Infected lab workers who were without symptoms likely transmitted the virus all over Wuhan including the wet market workers in a scenario more plausible and possible than zoonotic transfer.
Are you condoning the PRC lying and cover up for what you purport to be for reasons of culture to avoid international embarrassment to “save face” ? What would they have to lie about and hide if they have been supposedly exonerated by “zoonotic transfer “ ? The reality is that the PRC is part of the rest of the world and catastrophe like the Covid-19 pandemic affect us all. Fuck pride and survey the horrendous carnage now before us.
No.Certainly if the international community including the PRC actually bought the zoonotic transfer theory as the cause of Covid-19, then it follows that the wet markets would be closed permanently to mitigate the risk of another Coronavirus fueled pandemic don‘t you think ?
First of all, the PRC doesn't think it came from zoonotic transfer there - they think it was imported from Canada or the US.
Secondly, diseases get transferred via markets and farms and no one has ever permanently shut those things down.
This is wrong, though.
The fact that it has been consistently evolving to be better at human transmission is an indication of how non-optimized it was for that when it started.
No you are incorrect as viruses are expected to mutate as we are clearly seeing Covid-19 as they travel from host to host irregardless of their strain when they were first detected. The increased efficiency of transmission that is being seen now with Covid-19 variants has nothing to do how well the virus that somehow escaped from the Wuhan lab was optimized or non optomized for human transmission.
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The PRC is well aware that the virus didn’t come from zoonotic transfer which is why they risked re-opening the wet markets.
The PRC knows that the virus likely inadvertently escaped from the Wuhan lab and orchestrated a panicked cover up.
Their propaganda machine is suggesting the US or Canada leak to save face, even recently stating that Omicron arrived in China through postage and parcels from Canada.
Yet you so easily buy into conspiracy thinking instead of relying on actual evidence.
And what does any of that have to do with a serial killer burying dead prostitutes?
Canada's actions to stop the spread of CJD is the exact same as China with covid. The only major difference is that covid is a respiratory infection while CJD isn't.
Everything else you are posting is just ramblings from someone who's made up their mind and doesn't want any evidence that interferes with their preconceptions. The only reasonable thing you posted is that China is focussed on saving face as their culture has felt important for millennia.
p.s. At least in this post you put the word "if".
Sorry but if you actually looked at the academic work, ( I know, you'll just claim it's all a Chinese conspiracy) it is clear that a) there is no evidence of manipulation, and b) there are far more useful things that would have been manipulated if the intent was a pandemic.
Sure it does.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
We agree. Although not just to save face, but to just use as general propaganda as well.
I do not believe that the renowned and storied Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), a epicentre for Coronavirus research, with many international collaborations, intentionally created Covid-19 to cause this pandemic. However the Wuhan lab was successful in combining a bat coronavirus with SARS in 2015 and were able to infect human cells, a successful
“manipulation “. This hybrid had been able to grow in lab mice and simulate human disease according to the WIV published papers. You are wrong when you say that there was no evidence of manipulation, as there is ample evidence of it in the name of scientific research.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4797993
Butler, Declan (12 November 2015). "Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research". Nature. doi:10.1038/nature.2015.18787.
On going Coronavirus research was still happening at WIV at the time of the November 2019 outbreak in Wuhan with other international labs including the National Institute of Microbiology in Winnipeg where coincidentally two visiting Wuhan scientist where escorted out of the lab and Canada in August 2019 for classified reasons. And with all of this background, you still want to believe that Covid-19 didn’t come from a lab leak, but from a wet market just down the street in one hell of a tragic coincidence. The data to show zoonotic transfer for this pandemic has been necessarily corrupted and destroyed. Covid-19 is anything but “ nouvel’
Again, the PRC knows, as other world governments known that zoonotic transfer didn’t likely occur, that an unintentional WIV lab leaked is the cause of this pandemic. The PRC to “save face “ blames foreign actors for the deliberate creation of Covid-19 and is confident that zoonotic transfer did not occur otherwise they would have aggressively and forcefully outlawed the thousands of wet markets across China as risking another Covid-19 scenario would be insane. The PRC‘s actions continue to suggest an ongoing cover up.
No compensation or admission from the PRC will likely ever come, those associated with the Wuhan lab or Wuhan hospitals known that they or their families would be killed or tortured if they dared to speak about anything contrary to the PRC‘s edicts.
The global scientific community, through government pressure necessarily supports zoonotic transfer to avoid trade wars and antagonistic confrontation with the world’s second largest economy and chief global supply chain powerhouse as the economic damage has been overwhelming.
Unfortunately, history repeat itself, more contagions will come from China, and the PRC will become further empowered and emboldened to blame others.
Typical conspiracy ramblings, especially the way you pretend that the Winnipeg thing has any significance to covid outside of what's posted on 8-chan.
You should also read that study because I don't think it means what you think it means. Most significantly, the genome of the study you mention (and poorly characterize) is different from the genome of the SARS-CoV2 virus. Or maybe you think that after doing this study, they secretly did the same thing with a completely different methodology.
At least you've given up the pretence and have simply gone to tinfoil land.
No, I did not say that the research publication from 2015 proves that the WIV created Covid-19, but it illustrates that they have a very recent history of infecting human cells with hybrids of SARS and Coronaviridae and ongoing similar research right up until the 2019 pandemic. It is naive to expect that the WIV through the PRC would have allowed any incriminating evidence to not have been destroyed.
The kind of research done at WIV has a much greater probability of creating Covid-19 and having this virus escape accidentally from their lab than zoonotic transfer in the Wuhan wet market just down the street and strangely not in any of the thousands upon thousands of wet markets in cities and towns with no labs that are working on Coronavirus research across China.
And are you doubting the veracity of the PRC claim that no zoonotic transfer occurred in their wet markets? They should know and their actions of re-opening the wet markets confirms their confidence and comfort levels, even as the pandemic still rages.
The PRC‘s “Zero Covid Policy” doesn’t seem to be too concerned about zoonotic transfer does it?
The circumstance around the outbreak of Covid-19 are atypical are they not ? You conveniently ignore inconvenient truths and only reference the skewed and biased scientific data supporting zoonotic transfer, which is the politically correct, current flavour of the month thing to do for many whilst ignoring many inconvenient truths.
Perhaps one day, a member (s) of the WIV research team or or even a fellow international research collaborator will come clean and shed some light on what was really going on at the WIV before the pandemic occurred.
And why do you think the Wuhan scientific couple was escorted abruptly out of Winnipeg in August 2019, just a few months before the outbreak in Wuhan? I didn’t say that that their ejection was a conspiracy, just a curiosity and a remarkable coincidence. Also to suggest that the PRC rejects the so called “scientific argument” for zoonotic transfer in the Wuhan wet market merely just to “safe face” is somewhat disingenuous.
No tin foil hat here at all, lots of intrigue and high stakes cover ups, enough to make the research proclaiming that zoonotic transfer is the answer to be far from the gold standard and not even gold leaf so it is no wonder that the US government under Biden and other governments including the UK have reason to further study the lab leak likelyhood.
The group that necessarily knows the most about the creation of Covid-19 genome is still the PRC and their actions, past and present support this.
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