Dr. Birx now says it was likely a lab leak

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if a lab worker went to the market and infected a vendor, think man come on fuck
This scenario is unlikely but much more likely than zoonotic transfer occurring in the Wuhan markets.
The lab workers have been working on Coronavirus research for years in Wuhan.
Maybe the infected lab worker didn’t actually go to wet market but was fucking a vendor elsewhere.

I like to side with evidenced based scientific research up to a point but I am open to the potential of the convenient use of data and research towards political cover ups and other machinations.
 

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This scenario is unlikely but much more likely than zoonotic transfer occurring in the Wuhan markets.
The lab workers have been working on Coronavirus research for years in Wuhan.
Maybe the infected lab worker didn’t actually go to wet market but was fucking a vendor elsewhere.

I like to side with evidenced based scientific research up to a point but I am open to the potential of the convenient use of data and research towards political cover ups and other machinations.
My feeling is this is the product of malfeasance at the Wuhan lab.

The Chinese authorities quickly pivoted to shifting the blame to the nearest plausible explanation. That being the wet market closest to the location of the lab. All, the evidence was probably scrubbed shortly after this all began.

What seals the deal for me is that we are dealing with the CCP here. A regime without any regard to human rights . An authoritarian regime that continues to demonstrate it's lack of concern with anything that doesn't serve it's own self interests. That's spells cover up to me.

Fact of the matter is we are never going to learn the truth. Time to accept that and move on.
 

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This scenario is unlikely but much more likely than zoonotic transfer occurring in the Wuhan markets.
The lab workers have been working on Coronavirus research for years in Wuhan.
Maybe the infected lab worker didn’t actually go to wet market but was fucking a vendor elsewhere.

I like to side with evidenced based scientific research up to a point but I am open to the potential of the convenient use of data and research towards political cover ups and other machinations.
What in your view makes a lab worker travelling 15 km from work to a market and only infecting people there more likely than zoonotic transfer from one of the numerous species in the market known to carry the virus?
 

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What in your view makes a lab worker travelling 15 km from work to a market and only infecting people there more likely than zoonotic transfer from one of the numerous species in the market known to carry the virus?
The Wuhan Lab is known to have Coronavirus on hand for scientific research, with the deliberate mutation of these viruses where zoonotic transfer is likely to have occurred in the first place. No animals where found in the wet markets with Covid-19, making zoonotic transfer very nearly impossible. If zoonotic transfer did occur in the Wuhan wet markets, it would have likely occurred elsewhere in the ubiquitous wet markets across China and maybe still be occurring, but it did not and is not happening which is why the PRC confidently allowed the wet markets to reopen. The PRC knows that Covid-19 escaped from the Wuhan lab and if they actually believed in the zoonotic wet market theory then they would outlaw the wet markets as it would appear that pandemics like the Covid-19 are not good for any nation including China!
Lab workers were infected with Covid-19 in house, independent of the wet markets and spread it to the masses.

The only certainty is the presence of Coronavirus in the Wuhan Lab and the sudden suppression and destruction of data and the silencing of scientists and medical doctors by the PRC well before the pandemic was announced.

Your arguments on zoonotic wet market transfer are in perpetual support of the PRC propaganda narrative but even they would fire you on this one.
As Oracle mentioned, it is time to accept and move on and to minimize insults to our intelligence.
 
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Your arguments on zoonotic wet market transfer are in perpetual support of the PRC propaganda narrative but even they would fire you on this one.
The PRC propaganda is that the Americans did it, not that it was a wetmarket.


As Oracle mentioned, it is time to accept and move on and to minimize insults to our intelligence.
We would love for you guys to move on, but you keep repeating this nonsense.
 

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The Wuhan Lab is known to have Coronavirus on hand for scientific research, with the deliberate mutation of these viruses...
What imaginary world did you get that from? Every study has shown no manipulation of the viral strains. Takes any hint of credibility from your arguments.

The rest of your argument is just your incredulity that a rare event (zoonotic transfer) happened at this one market and not others. It's like claiming that the 1918 flu pandemic was a lab leak because its first outbreak was in Kansas and not any other state.

And I love how you state your unsupported guesses as facts.
 

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What imaginary world did you get that from? Every study has shown no manipulation of the viral strains. Takes any hint of credibility from your arguments.

The rest of your argument is just your incredulity that a rare event (zoonotic transfer) happened at this one market and not others. It's like claiming that the 1918 flu pandemic was a lab leak because its first outbreak was in Kansas and not any other state.

And I love how you state your unsupported guesses as facts.
Viral strains are routinely altered for research purposes for many reasons.
If the 1918 flu pandemic occured in Kansas where the “Kansas Virology Centre” was working on the pandemic causing virus and the US government scrub this labs data, killed and or silents lab workers and associated physicians and tried to cover up a massive out of control outbreak which eventually resulted in a pandemic, then this might give me pause and I would say that a lab leaked most probably occurred.
I would not deny the obvious and probable or uncanny coincidences or rely on so called scientific evidence, evidence which barely scratches the surface of what continues to be a clear government cover up by a totalitarian regime.
 
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What imaginary world did you get that from? Every study has shown no manipulation of the viral strains. Takes any hint of credibility from your arguments.
But they could have.
We can't find any evidence that they worked on the virus.
That means they must have hidden it.
Because they do have evidence of working on different viruses that aren't close enough to the virus that we want.
 

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But they could have.
We can't find any evidence that they worked on the virus.
That means they must have hidden it.
Because they do have evidence of working on different viruses that aren't close enough to the virus that we want.
Their actions suggest that they did destroy a lot of evidence for whatever reasons, kill and silence scientific and medical people with great haste at a time when they were trying to cover up the outbreaks of Covid-19 in Wuhan.
Some in these threads are being purposely obtuse or deliberately naive because no evidence has been found that they worked on the virus. If guilty people are able to destroy self incriminating evidence then they usually do.

All the major world governments including China knows that the Wuhan lab is culpable at this point and have moved on.
The scientific evidence to support zoonotic transfer is moot at this point.
 
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All the major world governments including China knows that the Wuhan lab is culpable at this point and have moved on.
No animals were found to have Covid-19 in the Wuhan wet markets, Lab workers were hospitalized as early as September 2020 in Wuhan with Covid-19 like symptoms.
Evidence, please.

The scientific evidence to support zoonotic transfer is moot at this point.
Why is evidence moot but your conjecture relevant?
 

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Evidence, please.



Why is evidence moot but your conjecture relevant?
There is no international political will to go after the PRC over for what is most probably an accidental lab leak of Covid-19 with the incriminating evidence having been already destroyed by the PRC. China holds much of the world supply chain and vast amounts of the U.S Treasury in their hands. Enough damage to the global economy, morbidity and pathology has already occurred due to the pandemic too carelessly provoke more.
To use limited, scientific evidence to conveniently support a cover up is not good.
 
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I'm telling you, I have a 9-inch prick and I tell all the ladies to trust me on that.
When the ladies say, let's see it, let's see the evidence I tell them "I would but I can't because it is a secret weapon under contract to the Liberal government to use as a club on PeePee in the future election. You're just going to have to believe whatever I make up, errr, I mean say"
 
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When the ladies say, let's see it, let's see the evidence I tell them "I would but I can't because it is a secret weapon under contract to the Liberal government to use as a club on PeePee in the future election. You're just going to have to believe whatever I make up, errr, I mean say"
Or we can be like you and belive anything coming out of PRC's Ministry of Propaganda via WHO.
 

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Or we can be like you and belive anything coming out of PRC's Ministry of Propaganda via WHO.
This is where you are wrong but that's ok, I forgive you. I reserve judgment and will listen to the experts in their field unless and until there is real contradicting evidence as opposed to a laymen's/Fox Host/crooked politician's opinion.
 
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