World Climate Declaration: There is no climate emergency
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Really
So "The science of heat flow has been scientifically proven for at least 200 years." is not an argument by authority ?
Do you know how to work a search engine ?
I am less inclined to offer assistance to those that dismiss facts out of hand without address them and then add crap like
"Reality readily contradicts what you have asserted and therefore your assertions are garbage, to put it mildly......"
'I don't care if you don't believe it but the scientific method has already beaten you years before you were born..... '
You provided nothing to counter the facts provided and then tossed out insults
So, look it up yourself
And lower density >>> lower pressure
Boyles Law
The relation between density and pressure is given class 11 chemistry JEE_Main
The relation between density and pressure is given by A Boyles law B Charles law C Gaylussacs law D Avogadros law
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So much atmospheres that Pressure is not required???
WTF ?
Pressure is force per unit area & in this case it is the force of gravity which is forcing all those molecules into the unit volume above the unit area i.e. causing the very high density & very high pressure
so much atmosphere forced down towards the surface by gravity CAUSES the pressure
it is not a matter of requiring pressure
Increasing the number of molecules per unit volume results in an increase in the number of molecular collisions >>> increased kinetic energy >>> heat
At the surface the pressure is 90 times greater than 60 kms up & that is what drives the 400 K temp increase despite a constant 95% CO2 atmospheric composition
irrelevant unless you somehow think this negates the probes observations
Hats off to Boris for making the probes work
However, again the probes construction is irrelevant unless you somehow think this negates the probes observations
observations your unable to explain with GHG theory & without using pressure
I have worked with Dry ice before
Its handy for carboxylation reactions
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Now you've done it.
He's going to start asking if you don't believe in the Ideal Gas Law next.
(He's already reached the "spam the same graph or meme" stage, I see.)
Keep eating your peanuts from the peanut gallery
unless you have something relevant to add, your purpose here is just to attack me
shooo away now , the shows over
Pleasure Hound is incapable of explaining those experimental observations via the GHG theory
Pressure and density are only directly proportional if temperature and volume are constant. There are other factors here. You forgot to mention that......
Really
So "The science of heat flow has been scientifically proven for at least 200 years." is not an argument by authority ?
Do you know how to work a search engine ?
I am less inclined to offer assistance to those that dismiss facts out of hand without address them and then add crap like
"Reality readily contradicts what you have asserted and therefore your assertions are garbage, to put it mildly......"
'I don't care if you don't believe it but the scientific method has already beaten you years before you were born..... '
You provided nothing to counter the facts provided and then tossed out insults
So, look it up yourself
And lower density >>> lower pressure
Boyles Law
The relation between density and pressure is given class 11 chemistry JEE_Main
The relation between density and pressure is given by A Boyles law B Charles law C Gaylussacs law D Avogadros law
So much atmospheres that Pressure is not required???
WTF ?
Pressure is force per unit area & in this case it is the force of gravity which is forcing all those molecules into the unit volume above the unit area i.e. causing the very high density & very high pressure
so much atmosphere forced down towards the surface by gravity CAUSES the pressure
it is not a matter of requiring pressure
Increasing the number of molecules per unit volume results in an increase in the number of molecular collisions >>> increased kinetic energy >>> heat
At the surface the pressure is 90 times greater than 60 kms up & that is what drives the 400 K temp increase despite a constant 95% CO2 atmospheric composition
irrelevant unless you somehow think this negates the probes observations
Hats off to Boris for making the probes work
However, again the probes construction is irrelevant unless you somehow think this negates the probes observations
observations your unable to explain with GHG theory & without using pressure
I don't deny atmospheric pressure. I deny that atmospheric pressure is contributing to local temperature. You don't seem to understand that.....
High density does not automatically mean high pressure. Pressure can also be changed by its temperature. If temperature is extremely low, then the pressure is very low, no matter what the substance's density. If you could live inside a block of lead, you would not be crushed to death, despite the high density of the metal......
Venus' surface gravity is about the same as Earth's (slightly smaller). Therefore, the force of Venus' surface gravity is nearly the same as Earth's for a given mass. Your hypothesis is garbage.....
Something else that causes an increased number of molecular collisions is temperature changes, even when keeping density constant. Yes, increased molecular collisions can also be caused by increased pressure, but so does increasing temperature. Temperature can be increased or decreased on its own.....
Pressure does not explain the temperature gradient based on altitude. It is caused by how quickly the heat can escape into space. At very high altitudes, heat can escape more easily because the molecular density is much lower. At much lower altitudes heat cannot escape into space because of the huge amount of molecules between the ground and space and a much higher density.
I will ask again (you didn't answer last time). How do explain the fact that overcast nights (lower air pressure) are warmer than the clear nights (higher air pressure)? I await your response.....
Temp samples by the probe show a 400 K difference between temps @ one atmosphere and 90 atmospheres both at a constant 96% CO2 composition
The only possible conclusion is something other than CO2 composition is responsible and that would be pressure
If 96% CO2 does not drive temperature then 400 parts per million does not drive temperature
Temperatures vary on earth on all kinds of time scales
Temp samples by the probe show a 400 K difference between temps @ one atmosphere and 90 atmospheres both at a constant 96% CO2 composition
The only possible conclusion is something other than CO2 composition is responsible and that would be pressure
Irrelevant to the FACT the atmosphere pressure is 90 times that of earth
more molecules in Venus atmosphere
The temperature at the surface is pretty constants, even on the dark side (53 day rotation )
On its own?
Not according to thermodynamics
sure it does
density and pressure are interdependent in a gas Boyles Law
pressure is force per unit area
Boyles Law
Just as soon as you explain how
Temp samples by the probe show a 400 K difference between temps @ one atmosphere and 90 atmospheres both at a constant 96% CO2 composition
Oh no you don't! You can't run away from my question. An overcast sky results in warmer temperatures (despite lower air pressure). Unless you can explain that with your hypothesis, it doesn't fit the observations.....sorry...you lose....
No emergency??
Europe facing its worst drought for 500 years: Study
47 percent of Europe is under warning conditions with clear deficit of soil moisture, European Drought Observatory says.
www.aljazeera.com
Europe facing its worst drought for 500 years: Study
47 percent of Europe is under warning conditions with clear deficit of soil moisture, European Drought Observatory says.
Europe facing its worst drought for 500 years: Study
47 percent of Europe is under warning conditions with clear deficit of soil moisture, European Drought Observatory says.
Not as big an emergency as the emergency of fuel shortage.
UK inflation projected to hit 18.6% as gas prices surge - Carbon Brief
Several UK frontpages report on the news that inflation could hit 18.6% next year amid soaring gas prices.
www.carbonbrief.org
Europe Is Trying to Solve Its Energy Crisis With Fossil Fuel Projects in Africa
Struggles for social justice and climate justice must be united to transform society amid government inaction.
truthout.org
Why bother? UK urged to scrap green plans and start fracking
THE GOVERNMENT has been urged to tear up its green agenda, press ahead with oil and gas drilling and end the fracking ban so Britain can boost its homegrown energy supplies amid a bills crisis.
www.express.co.uk
Germany’s Uniper to restart coal-fired power plant for electricity generation
Europe has been boosting coal purchases to ensure it can keep power flowing to homes and factories after Russia previously cut gas supplies to the continent.
www.marketwatch.com
Its a much bigger, long term emergency vs a temporary, war caused shortage.Not as big an emergency as the emergency of fuel shortage.
UK inflation projected to hit 18.6% as gas prices surge - Carbon Brief
Several UK frontpages report on the news that inflation could hit 18.6% next year amid soaring gas prices.
Europe Is Trying to Solve Its Energy Crisis With Fossil Fuel Projects in Africa
Struggles for social justice and climate justice must be united to transform society amid government inaction.
Why bother? UK urged to scrap green plans and start fracking
THE GOVERNMENT has been urged to tear up its green agenda, press ahead with oil and gas drilling and end the fracking ban so Britain can boost its homegrown energy supplies amid a bills crisis.
Germany’s Uniper to restart coal-fired power plant for electricity generation
Europe has been boosting coal purchases to ensure it can keep power flowing to homes and factories after Russia previously cut gas supplies to the continent.
And if it results in less of your products burnt that's a win for the climate.
Thank the "fiscally responsible" Conservatives running the UK Government!! What is adding to the UK woes is the Brexit roadblocks that have impacted the economy and inflation!!Not as big an emergency as the emergency of fuel shortage.
UK inflation projected to hit 18.6% as gas prices surge - Carbon Brief
Several UK frontpages report on the news that inflation could hit 18.6% next year amid soaring gas prices.
Europe Is Trying to Solve Its Energy Crisis With Fossil Fuel Projects in Africa
Struggles for social justice and climate justice must be united to transform society amid government inaction.
Why bother? UK urged to scrap green plans and start fracking
THE GOVERNMENT has been urged to tear up its green agenda, press ahead with oil and gas drilling and end the fracking ban so Britain can boost its homegrown energy supplies amid a bills crisis.
Germany’s Uniper to restart coal-fired power plant for electricity generation
Europe has been boosting coal purchases to ensure it can keep power flowing to homes and factories after Russia previously cut gas supplies to the continent.
Spiralling inflation, crops left in the field and travel chaos: 10 reasons Brexit has been disastrous for Britain
Spiralling inflation, crops left in the field and travel chaos: 10 reasons Brexit has been disastrous for Britain
As small businesses crumble, shelves get emptier and the care-worker shortage intensifies, life outside the EU is having a dire effect on many of us. Why aren’t politicians talking about it?
www.theguardian.com
Read the facts about the UK Gas Imports and Exports since Brexit. Their fuel imports from Non-EU nations has sky rocketed while their exports has been tapering off. The UK depended a lot on Norway for its fuel imports. Russia is a far smaller player in its imports. But look at how much it has costed the UK with purchasing their gaseous and liquified Natural Gas:
Trends in UK imports and exports of fuels - Office for National Statistics
Trends in oil and gas imports and exports to and from the UK in 2021 and 2022 including values, changing trade partners and supply chains.
www.ons.gov.uk
But let us not deflect from the fact that your denial about a Climate Emergency is a REALITY, especially as Europe as a whole is facing the worst drought in OVER 500 YEARS!!
Energy export will be dwindling to zero in about a decade. Imports from
Norway by then will not meet UK's need. UK's oil and production has been
sliding down along the Hubbert curve off its peak for years. UK will become
a third world country within 2 decades.
In a decade the dependancy on oil will have dwindled especially as other alternatives take hold.
The whole of the EU are moving away to alternates and there will be less of a demand for Oil from Norway.
In the meanwhile the USA are the second biggest exporters of oil to the UK and there is not a single ml of oil imported from Russia since June 2022.
We know that the biggest single catastrophe for the UK was Brexit. When around 40% of those who voted for Brexit know say that it was a mistake as they are much worse off, then the finger can be pointed just at one individual who championed it.
Once again the UK Climate Change is a REALITY. Even the Deniers are taking heed in that nation:
Carbon dioxide if that is what you are talking about is a green house gas
not a pollutant. So is methane which is an even more potent GHG. New Zealand
is one notorious methane emitter and its leader had the audacity to declare
climate emergency without a concrete plan of putting a lid on the emission of
their farting and burping livestock.
We have been dumping pollutants produced from fossil fuel
combustion into the atmosphere which is a serious concern.
But IMO it is nowhere as worrisome as the impact of all the
waste we've been dumping into the oceans.
If fossil fuel can be likened to cigarettes you have then mistaken a crisis
of addiction for a health crisis. It is like people hooked to smoking 2 packs a
day seeking out more cigarettes to assuage their addiction to nicotine while
awaiting a future cure for cancer. If the U.S. and Canada are to continue exporting
fossil fuel you can be assured that Saudi, Iran and Venezuela could also increase
their output with sufficient capital expenditure. If you believe demand of oil in the
west is going to drop soon you also can be assured that the rest of the world
and that is about 3 quarters of global population would be glad to buy up
all the unwanted hydrocarbons.
Nice attempt to shift blame.
The tobacco industry knew their products caused cancer so instead of doing something about the stuff they sold they went and hired lobbyists to create fake stories that tried to convince people the doctors were wrong.
Just like the oil industry knew in the '80's they were causing climate change so they hired those same lobbyists to convince people like johnlarue that the science isn't correct.
The knowledge of the damage of the products combined with actions to hide that information from the public are what makes the blame stick with the oil & gas industry.
The American Southwest is in a really bad drought....like 1,200 years bad. Of course the west is always dry, but we are reaching historic levels.No emergency??
Europe facing its worst drought for 500 years: Study
47 percent of Europe is under warning conditions with clear deficit of soil moisture, European Drought Observatory says.
Europe facing its worst drought for 500 years: Study
47 percent of Europe is under warning conditions with clear deficit of soil moisture, European Drought Observatory says.
Megadrought in the West Is Worst in More Than 1,200 Years
Nearly half of the drought can be attributed to human-caused climate change, a new study finds.
www.cnet.com
