How sad it must make you feel that tens of thousands would pay to see Greta and yet most teenagers just think the oil & gas industry is evil.
Greta Thunberg warns of ‘catastrophic‘ climate crisis at England‘s Glastonbury Festival, says we need to ‘prioritize people over profit and greed’
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More recent Study than from two decades ago:
Extremes, Abrupt Changes and Managing Risks
Include CM who posted a link from the nineties where they did the so called "research to prove" that there will be "less intensive" hurricanes and tornadoes in the future.Its a good point.
Moviefan might be the most pathetic of the climate change deniers as he has admitted the planet is warming but then turns around and denies it. Same as he ignore the fact that the planet has warmed about 0.25ºC in the 7 years since the post he quoted.
They really are the proverbial frog in the pot, totally unwilling to see what everyone else sees happening around them.
Its as if they really do think that all the heat domes, droughts, extreme weather and storms really are perfectly normal.
Totally normal when train tracks are so hot they derail trains.
A Heat Wave Derailed a Train Outside San Francisco
The tracks of the BART train hit 140 degrees Fahrenheit, causing them to curve, according to the agency.gizmodo.com
Totally normal when there are massive heat waves in the arctic.
Records may fall as impressive heat wave roasts the Arctic Circle - The Weather Network
An all-time heat record is under threat and Hudson Bay’s ice is melting at an astonishing rate as a persistent spell of hot weather roasts the Arctic Circle.www.theweathernetwork.com
That was proven to be totally fake with the intensity of the tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, and droughts globally. Even today in The Netherlands:
Netherlands: Rare tornado leaves 1 dead
A whirlwind has caused one death and several injuries in the southwestern Dutch coastal city of Zierikzee. It is the first tornado fatality in the country in three decades, officials say.
Rare tornado in Netherlands leaves 1 dead – DW – 06/27/2022
A whirlwind has caused one death and several injuries in the southwestern Dutch coastal city of Zierikzee. It is the first tornado fatality in the country in three decades, officials say.
www.dw.com
Floods:
Millions affected after deadly floods hit India and Bangladesh
Millions affected after deadly floods hit India and Bangladesh
Millions of people across India and Bangladesh have been affected by raging floods and landslides that left more than 100 people dead and entire communities devastated.
www.cnn.com
Droughts:
How Drought Will Impact Africa’s Crop Production: A Gro Forecast Analysis
How Drought Will Impact Africa’s Crop Production: A Gro Forecast Analysis
Smaller harvests of principal grain crops could exacerbate food insecurity and necessitate far higher amounts of food aid and imports for the region’s populations
gro-intelligence.com
Cyclone:
Tropical Storm Bonnie expected to form Tuesday as NHC issues watches, warnings
Tropics watch: Tropical Storm Bonnie expected to form Tuesday as NHC issues watches, warnings
The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Potential Tropical Cyclone 2, which is expected to become Tropical Storm Bonnie by Tuesday.
www.palmbeachpost.com
Heatwave:
Japanese told to turn off lights to save energy amid Tokyo heatwave
Japanese told to turn off lights to save energy amid Tokyo heatwave
Extreme temperatures forecast for capital this week after premature end to rainy season
www.theguardian.com
Lastly our own backyard a forest fire:
Two forest fires in Northwestern Ontario are both under control
Two forest fires in Northwestern Ontario are both under control
Read the full story and comment on Tbnewswatch.com
www.tbnewswatch.com
All this occurring at the same time globally. This is now a very common phenomenon!!
In the seven years since the post that I quoted, the NASA graph that Franky loves so much shows an increase in the temperature anomaly from 0.75ºC to 0.85ºC.
Global Surface Temperature | NASA Global Climate Change
Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.
There's an excellent reason that I "ignore" his calculation that 0.85ºC - 0.75ºC = 0.25ºC.
A quick reminder:
- Frankfooter posted a bullshit claim that I called for Biden to cut the gas tax.
- Frankfooter posted a bullshit claim that I predicted the Earth's temperature would "go down."
- Frankfooter posted a bullshit claim that I denied the planet had experienced warming since the late 19th century.
When challenged, he couldn't produce sources or evidence for any of his B.S. In fact, my actual posting history confirms beyond any reasonable doubt that I never said or implied any of these things.
Tell us, bver_hunter, does creating imaginary and blatantly false quotes for other TERB members meet your definition of "debate"? Or is that another "typo"?
Zero carbon emissions is bs, it will never happen. If California is serious about drought mitigation, it could start by closing all of it's 920 gold courses - that would eventually restore the Central Valley.
2014 - 0.74ºCIn the seven years since the post that I quoted, the NASA graph that Franky loves so much shows an increase in the temperature anomaly from 0.75ºC to 0.85ºC.
Global Surface Temperature | NASA Global Climate Change
Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.climate.nasa.gov
There's an excellent reason that I "ignore" his calculation that 0.85ºC - 0.75ºC = 0.25ºC.
2020 - 1.02C
Difference is 0.28ºC
Those were also numbers you used.
I love the fact that you use NASA as a source then say they are full of shit for all their climate change research.Moviefan-2;5445160 said:
Its kind of like you claim you are part of the 97% of people who think climate change is happening then turn around and try to claim its no big deal.
You are the proverbial frog in the pot.
Everything they post shows you are bullshitting.
Climate Change - NASA Science
NASA is a global leader in studying Earth’s changing climate.
climate.nasa.gov
Did she give all the bands shit for flying in to perform, also for the the fuel spent flying in all their equipment and back home? For touring the world to play their music?
How about tearing a strip off all the attendees for travelling to the festival?
Just imagine what that festival carbon footprint is!
Come on Greta, don't be so 1 sided just because no politician wants to listen to your dribble.
How about tearing a strip off all the attendees for travelling to the festival?
Just imagine what that festival carbon footprint is!
Come on Greta, don't be so 1 sided just because no politician wants to listen to your dribble.
Are you trying to tell us that Frankfooter is presenting intentionally fraudulent information. I suggest that is what he posts much of the time.I'm surprised Franky wants to revisit this. But since he insists.
What he actually said in 2015 was the temperature had increased 1ºC over 25 years and was therefore on track to increase another 4ºC over the next 100 years.
What has always made this so hilarious is he took the calculation from a CBC News story about the Earth's temperature having increased 1ºC from the "pre-industrial age" to the year 2015.
There's no dispute here - he clearly thought the "pre-industrial age" was referring to the year 1990.
Of course not.
Moviefan ran away from that thread a few posts later after I called him out on his stupid accusation.
Feel free to read the whole thread if you want your mind to explode from his ridiculous posts.
At the time I posted that comment (prior to the El Nino that began in late 2015), that was a correct summary for the recorded temperatures from the 21st century (after the La Nina) to 2015.
Furthermore, it wasn't a prediction about future trends. It was a factually accurate description of the temperatures already recorded, as captured in your own graphs.
(Added note: I see Frankfooter redacted the quote to remove the link to my actual post from 2015. I wonder why?
)And to repeat: We're now agreed that your claim that I said temperatures would "go down" was total bullshit. I never said or implied any such thing.
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Actually, your NASA graph shows the temperature anomaly for 2014 to be 0.75ºC.
I'm sorry to break this to you, but 2014 to 2020 isn't "7 years."
In fact, seven years after the post cited above, the NASA graph shows the temperature anomaly (which would be to the end of 2021) as 0.85ºC.
Climate Change - NASA Science
NASA is a global leader in studying Earth’s changing climate.
climate.nasa.gov
Franky is criticizing me for rejecting his repeated assertion that the difference between 0.75ºC and 0.85ºC is 0.25ºC.
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Bwahahahahaha!At the time I posted that comment (prior to the El Nino that began in late 2015), that was a correct summary for the recorded temperatures from the 21st century (after the La Nina) to 2015.
Furthermore, it wasn't a prediction about future trends. It was a factually accurate description of the temperatures already recorded, as captured in your own graphs.
(Added note: I see Frankfooter redacted the quote to remove the link to my actual post from 2015. I wonder why?
And to repeat: We're now agreed that your claim that I said temperatures would "go down" was total bullshit. I never said or implied any such thing.
So now, while constantly posting science denier bullshit you claim you have admitted that the planet has been warming just as much as the IPCC has projected since we started debating this shite?
You are hilarious!
You claim the IPCC are all liars and frauds out one side of your mouth but when cornered admit their numbers and projections were accurate and your claims of 'flattening' and no global warming total bullshit!
Bwahahahahah!
Hey look!Franky is criticizing me for rejecting his repeated assertion that the difference between 0.75ºC and 0.85ºC is 0.25ºC.
You're admitting that the planet is warming just as fast as the IPCC warmed!
You are admitting you've been totally wrong on all your claims here about climate change for the last 7 years and all you can do is try to claim I made some math errors!!!!
Bwahahahahaha!
Let's put aside Franky's desperate and truly pathetic attempt to change the subject with his completely false claims that I said the IPCC was correct. As with his ongoing string of bat-shit crazy bullshit, I neither said nor implied any such thing.
Instead, let's focus on his so-called "math errors."
- The period from 2014 to 2020 is not "7 years."
- The year 2020 is not "7 years since" 2014.
- The temperature anomaly on the NASA graph increased from 0.75ºC at the end of 2014 to 0.85ºC at the end of 2021.
- The difference between 0.75ºC and 0.85ºC is not 0.25ºC.
Climate Change - NASA Science
NASA is a global leader in studying Earth’s changing climate.
climate.nasa.gov
I don't "claim" his numbers are wrong. It is a statement of fact that his numbers are completely wrong.
The actual difference in the "7 years since" the 2015 post is 0.1ºC - less than half the 0.25ºC he cited.
And the so-called "expert" on settled science wonders why I have chosen to "ignore" his numbers.
(As an aside, I've been compelled to bookmark this post about "math errors" for future reference. All in the name of "settled science," of course.
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Bwahahahaha!!!!Let's put aside Franky's desperate and truly pathetic attempt to change the subject with his completely false claims that I said the IPCC was correct. As with his ongoing string of bat-shit crazy bullshit, I neither said nor implied any such thing.
Instead, let's focus on his so-called "math errors."
- The period from 2014 to 2020 is not "7 years."
- The year 2020 is not "7 years since" 2014.
- The temperature anomaly on the NASA graph increased from 0.75ºC at the end of 2014 to 0.85ºC at the end of 2021.
- The difference between 0.75ºC and 0.85ºC is not 0.25ºC.
Climate Change - NASA Science
NASA is a global leader in studying Earth’s changing climate.
I don't "claim" his numbers are wrong. It is a statement of fact that his numbers are completely wrong.
The actual difference in the "7 years since" the 2015 post is 0.1ºC - less than half the 0.25ºC he cited.
And the so-called "expert" on settled science wonders why I have chosen to "ignore" his numbers.
(As an aside, I've been compelled to bookmark this post about "math errors" for future reference. All in the name of "settled science," of course.
So now you're back to your old stupid, cherry picking, tricks?
OMG! Some people can't even learn new cheats, they have to keep using the same cheats they used since high school.
The NASA charts show that the planet is warming at the rates the IPCC projected.
This is from your NASA source, its a couple of years old but hey, the numbers are only going up:
Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right
Here's the chart they post that confirms this:
And this is your incredibly idiotic cherry picking tactic pasted into a chart in easy to see, high school level, graphics that apparently you have never been able to understand.
You did this 7 years ago and I showed how incredibly stupid cherry picking was then, and here you are cherry picking again today!
(And for those who are too stupid to pick out the obvious, the red lines are trends and the blue lines are cherry picked numbers)
Even dogs can learn new tricks.
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While Frankfooter makes his pathetic, bat-shit crazy ("Bwahahahaha!!!!") attempts to change the subject, here's all we need to know about his knowledge of math and science:
His calculation with "some math errors" about the temperature increase over the past seven years was off by 150%.
Despite his criticism in post #40, I make no apologies for ignoring calculations from a complete ignoramus that are so spectacularly wrong.
His calculation with "some math errors" about the temperature increase over the past seven years was off by 150%.
Despite his criticism in post #40, I make no apologies for ignoring calculations from a complete ignoramus that are so spectacularly wrong.
Aw, poor moviefan.
Look, you've admitted that the NASA numbers are accurate and those numbers show that the IPCC projections have been amazing accurate.
Which means you have confirmed the science is correct and all of your posts are bullshit.
For 7 years you've been pulling this same shite, pretending that some minor denier math quibble somehow overrides the fact that you already lost the debate.
Which means you know climate change is happening, you know the damage is ongoing and will get worse and you're still here arguing for more destruction.
Thanks for posting about common weather events, usual flooding, regular forest fires and the Japanese energy mismanagement.Include CM who posted a link from the nineties where they did the so called "research to prove" that there will be "less intensive" hurricanes and tornadoes in the future.
That was proven to be totally fake with the intensity of the tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, and droughts globally. Even today in The Netherlands:
Netherlands: Rare tornado leaves 1 dead
A whirlwind has caused one death and several injuries in the southwestern Dutch coastal city of Zierikzee. It is the first tornado fatality in the country in three decades, officials say.
Rare tornado in Netherlands leaves 1 dead – DW – 06/27/2022
A whirlwind has caused one death and several injuries in the southwestern Dutch coastal city of Zierikzee. It is the first tornado fatality in the country in three decades, officials say.
Floods:
Millions affected after deadly floods hit India and Bangladesh
Millions affected after deadly floods hit India and Bangladesh
Millions of people across India and Bangladesh have been affected by raging floods and landslides that left more than 100 people dead and entire communities devastated.
Droughts:
How Drought Will Impact Africa’s Crop Production: A Gro Forecast Analysis
How Drought Will Impact Africa’s Crop Production: A Gro Forecast Analysis
Smaller harvests of principal grain crops could exacerbate food insecurity and necessitate far higher amounts of food aid and imports for the region’s populations
Cyclone:
Tropical Storm Bonnie expected to form Tuesday as NHC issues watches, warnings
Tropics watch: Tropical Storm Bonnie expected to form Tuesday as NHC issues watches, warnings
The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Potential Tropical Cyclone 2, which is expected to become Tropical Storm Bonnie by Tuesday.
Heatwave:
Japanese told to turn off lights to save energy amid Tokyo heatwave
Japanese told to turn off lights to save energy amid Tokyo heatwave
Extreme temperatures forecast for capital this week after premature end to rainy season
Lastly our own backyard a forest fire:
Two forest fires in Northwestern Ontario are both under control
Two forest fires in Northwestern Ontario are both under control
Read the full story and comment on Tbnewswatch.com
All this occurring at the same time globally. This is now a very common phenomenon!!
