Abortion Poll

[Charlemagne]

Why would my gender preclude me from having an opinion on abortion? Child-rearing and demographics have ramifications for everyone. Someone already posted that it's not as simple as a "my body my choice" slogan if there is another body involved (that happens to be inside rather than outside of the womb).

You can have an opinion, but it shouldn't really matter.

 

[Darts]

Doctor Confirms Unborn Babies are Human Beings With Beating Hearts: "This is Science" - LifeNews.com

 

[basketcase]

lifenews?

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

 

[canada-man]

Abortion Laws

Abortion law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jamaica only allows Abortion if there are risk to life and health.

 

[poker]

Don't conflate the responsibilities owed to the unborn with the politics of those fortunate enough to make their own life choices.

All the things mentioned - day care, food stampts, welfare ,etc - exist and aren't going anywhere. They're a separate issue about fairness and proportionality.

Abortion existed too… and we were told it wasn’t going away. Poof! Gone.

Not getting fooled again. The GOP aren’t done with their war an the poor.

 

[nottyboi]

Abortion Laws

Abortion law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jamaica only allows Abortion if there are risk to life and health.

Yeah and how is that working out?

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1523151752438194177

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

Abortion existed too… and we were told it wasn’t going away. Poof! Gone.

Incorrect.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Until the fetus is able to survive outside the womb, it fits the definition of a parasite ( an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host).

Human children can't survive without their parents outside the womb for many years. Are these young children also parasites? Or do you mean "can't survive outside the womb no matter what assistance is provided"? If that is the case, I take it that you don't support mid to late term abortions.

Also, I think it is implicit that the term parasite connotes: a) an entity that was not introduced by the host, and b) an entity that was not created from the DNA of the host.

Wouldn't the term "symbiant" better fit the relationship between a mother and her unborn child?

 

[Dutch Oven]

this is my ultimate favourite George quote

I think this joke, and the routine it is extracted from, are misunderstood/misapplied. Carlin is not saying that we should have no concern for unborn children, he's saying we should take more steps to support children once they are born. This is not a binary issue.

Also, it's interesting (if you watch the whole routine) that at that time conservatives were wearing the "war monger" label, whereas today liberals support war just as much as conservatives. Also, this routine comes from a time when almost every politician and religious leader was a man. Thus, Carlin's quip that "conservatives hate women". Of course, today some of the most outspoken opponents of abortion are women, simply due to their increased prevalance as community leaders and spokespersons.

 

[basketcase]

Human children can't survive without their parents outside the womb for many years. Are these young children also parasites? ...

Of course that would be the attempted argument. After birth, a child doesn't need its mother to survive.

p.s. Your caveats to the definition aren't a thing according to any of the biology sites I scanned.

 

[canada-man]

Until the fetus is able to survive outside the womb, it fits the definition of a parasite ( an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host).

a fetus is not a parasite where you getting this nonsense from? There is no medical or scientific case for a fetus to be called a parasite.


parasitism is a one sided relationship between the host and parasite

here are benefits of women who got pregnant

oops i forgot you will never read this link

Pregnancy Benefits and Other Pros of Motherhood (whattoexpect.com)

 

[basketcase]

a fetus is not a parasite where you getting this nonsense from? ...

If the definition fits...

 

[canada-man]

If the definition fits...

parasitism is a one sided relationship the host is harmed by the parasite. a fetus does not harm a pregnant woman



A study out of Cambridge University is shining light on the role the placenta plays in “ensur[ing] optimal health for both the mother and the fetus,” writes Dr. Fazale Rana of Reasons To Believe. Rana describes a “potential tug of war” that could theoretically happen between the mother and her preborn baby when it comes to the need for nutrients. But in reality, this doesn’t happen — thanks to the regulatory effects of the placenta. The placenta develops from cells belonging to the developing preborn child (blastocyst) after implanting into the wall of the uterus (between 5 and 8 days after fertilization):

Instead of being passive tissue that absorbs available nutrients from the mother, the placenta dynamically distributes nutrients between mother and fetus, optimally ensuring the health of both mother and developing baby… [by] receiv[ing] metabolic signals from both the mother and fetus and respond[ing] to this input by regulating the nutrient amounts made available to the fetus.

 

[wigglee]

what a dumbass poll.....still refusing to put in a 4th possible answer? #4 Pro choice.

 

[Dutch Oven]

After birth, a child doesn't need its mother to survive.

WTF? Show me how a newborn could avoid dying without being fed by someone else! Absolutely ridiculous. Young children rely on their parents every bit as much as a child in the womb relies upon its mother.

p.s. Your caveats to the definition aren't a thing according to any of the biology sites I scanned.

I have no idea what you mean by this sentence. I suspect it's just confused thinking. Explain it if you wish. Or don't.

 

[basketcase]

WTF? Show me how a newborn could avoid dying without being fed by someone else! Absolutely ridiculous. Young children rely on their parents...

Please read. A new-born needs an adult. It doesn't specifically need its mother.

And nothing in the definition of a parasite says it must be a different species and says nothing about sharing DNA.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Please read. A new-born needs an adult. It doesn't specifically need its mother.

So, if a child needs it's mother, and only its mother would do, it's disposable, but if any human can meet its needs, the child's life is sacred? That makes zero sense. You'd stand a better chance of making a point if you focused on the point of viability outside the womb.

And nothing in the definition of a parasite says it must be a different species and says nothing about sharing DNA.

Yet, here's a definition which makes specific reference to this aspect of the definition:

Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words

The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!

www.dictionary.com

Not sure what dictionary you were referencing. Oxford says the same as Dictionary.com.

 

[Darts]

Without getting all tied up in semantics and technicalities, I would NEVER call a fetus a parasite.