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Abortion Poll

Are you

  • pro-abortion

    Votes: 42 63.6%
  • anti-abortion

    Votes: 16 24.2%
  • indifferent

    Votes: 8 12.1%

  • Total voters
    66
  • Poll closed .

jalimon

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The same people that say strict gun law will not prevent gun violence think abortion interdiction law will prevent abortion? 🤔
 

silentkisser

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Is this always true or even mostly true? Are they under no pressure from the father and/or family members?

At the risk of being falsely accused of being racist by the lefty virtue signalers, here's a link.
Canada abortion: Indian-origin couples may be aborting female foetus in Canada: Report - Times of India (indiatimes.com)
There is always a chance that a woman could be forced to have an abortion. Just like sex work, some horrible things happen. There should be mechanisms to prevent this.

As for the study about Indian's and gender selection....it is something that, unfortunately, does happen. However, we don't know for sure how widespread the practice is. There is a demand for boys, and even in parts of India they might neglect a newborn girl until it dies. This apparently also happens in China. It is messed up.
 

jcpro

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The same people that say strict gun law will not prevent gun violence think abortion interdiction law will prevent abortion? 🤔
Interestingly the lefties are pro gun control because it saves lives while being pro abortion to extinguish lives. The righties are on the other side of the mirror of course.
 

Darts

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Not sure about the U.S. but here in Canada any abortion law must satisfy the following two criteria.

"the Court left it to Parliament to come up with a new abortion law that would balance the rights of women with the state’s interest in the protection of the fetus, without offending the Charter."
Many or most people seem to remember the rights of women but often fail to remember protection of the fetus.

Of course, the lefties will argue that fetuses don't vote so why should they (lefties) care.
 

tml

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K Douglas

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Can't answer the poll question its too simplistic.

I support a woman's right to choose but with limitations. First trimester only unless baby or mother's health is in jeopardy if the pregnancy is carried to full term. I also don't support taxpayer funding of abortions as I see it being more than just an issue of health care.
 

shack

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The first thing that came to my mind was East Indian.
I was well aware of China's policy of one child, and as such males were favoured. I was not aware of the Indian gender bias. In retrospect, the Indian bias may make more sense in terms of this thread.
 
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nottyboi

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I don't see why you people are getting all hot about this. Pro-life, pro- choice pro or against abortion are interchangeable. I understand the politics of it, but it's no different from the fetus vs. baby "controversy ". I think that the answer is simple: more anal sex!
Do you speak english? Because if you say its the same thing question that. Saying I am in favor of a womans right to make a difficult choice to have an abortion, vs I am in favor of more abortions, its really quite idiotic to say its the same thing.
 
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jcpro

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Do you speak english? Because if you say its the same thing question that. Saying I am in favor of a womans right to make a difficult choice to have an abortion, vs I am in favor of more abortions, its really quite idiotic to say its the same thing.
I do speak English, I just don't speak your politics.
 

tml

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I was well aware of China's policy of one child, and as such males were favoured. I was not aware of the Indian gender bias. In retrospect, the Indian bias may make more sense in terms of this thread.
Your point about China is completely valid and I agree. I just seem to recall that in Canada the issue of gender bias in pre natal screening became a greater problem in the East Indian community. There were news reports of clinics facing ethical dilemas providing the results with a good idea of what they were being used for. I think the problem in the Chinese culture was more confined within the borders of China.
 
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Mr.Know-It-All

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Saying I am in favor of a womans right to make a difficult choice to have an abortion, vs I am in favor of more abortions, its really quite idiotic to say its the same thing.
Your assumption that abortion is a "difficult choice" for many is inaccurate. It should be a difficult choice, however it's little more than an afterthought or inconvenience for millions that partake.

Second, you are indeed in favor of more abortions because more abortions is precisely the result when you allow unfettered abortions. You just get a landslide more of it.

This debate has little to do with the 1% of incidents where a woman decides to get an abortion as a result of rape or the 0.5% that get it due to incest. This is about the 1 in 4 women (USA Stats) that will get an abortion in their lifetime.
 
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Leimonis

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Your assumption that abortion is a "difficult choice" for many is inaccurate. It should be a difficult choice, however it's little more than an afterthought or inconvenience for millions that partake.

Second, you are indeed in favor of more abortions because more abortions is precisely the result when you allow unfettered abortions. You just get a landslide more of it.

This debate has little to do with the 1% of incidents where a woman decides to get an abortion as a result of rape or the 0.5% that get it due to incest. This is about the 1 in 4 women (USA Stats) that will get an abortion in their lifetime.
So in other words denial of abortion is not really going to hurt women but it’s going to turn the women and others against Republicans. That sounds like a win-win to me :)
 
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nottyboi

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Your assumption that abortion is a "difficult choice" for many is inaccurate. It should be a difficult choice, however it's little more than an afterthought or inconvenience for millions that partake.

Second, you are indeed in favor of more abortions because more abortions is precisely the result when you allow unfettered abortions. You just get a landslide more of it.

This debate has little to do with the 1% of incidents where a woman decides to get an abortion as a result of rape or the 0.5% that get it due to incest. This is about the 1 in 4 women (USA Stats) that will get an abortion in their lifetime.
If you think anyone wants to be in a situation where they need an abortion or takes it very lightly makes me question your intelligence. The number of women that would see an abortion as a routine procedure would be tiny, and they would be at about the same logical and emotional intelligence level as you.
 

jalimon

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Interestingly the lefties are pro gun control because it saves lives while being pro abortion to extinguish lives. The righties are on the other side of the mirror of course.
The right screamed against covering their face and to take the shot… My body my choice they were screaming…

What’s happening??? No more my body my choice for women? 🤔

Gop is now just a Bunch of liar hypocrites… Can’t believe Cheney would be view as a centrist now compared to the gop hillbillies Trump put in place
 

Dutch Oven

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What’s happening??? No more my body my choice for women? 🤔
If you don't know by now, the issue with abortion is WHOSE body is an unborn child, and does the answer change depending upon the stage of development. If an unborn child's body is their own, would you agree that the state can protect that body from other people, including the mother?
 
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Darts

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If you don't know by now, the issue with abortion is WHOSE body is an unborn child, and does the answer change depending upon the stage of development. If an unborn child's body is their own, would you agree that the state can protect that body from other people, including the mother?
Agree. No intelligent, rational person denies women have rights, however, when one reads the SCOC reasons for judgment they do seem to say that a fetus also have rights (a right not to be killed?).

I know I'm stating the obvious when I say fetuses have no political power because they can't vote.
 
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basketcase

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ROTFLMFAO!! Look up European abortion restrictions. As for the Americans' view on abortion- the support falls off as the term increases; all polls show that and have been for years and there's almost no support for unlimited/late term abortion or abortion as the birth control substitute. What you don't see is most obvious- America, like most of the western world, is pro choice, but with conditions. The SCOTUS is simply returning the option to set those conditions to the people where it belongs.
Nice claim, sort of like claiming the Civil War was about state rights.

The Federalist Society has been 100% clear about their goals for banning abortion.
 

jcpro

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Mr.Know-It-All

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If you think anyone wants to be in a situation where they need an abortion or takes it very lightly makes me question your intelligence.
List the circumstances under which an abortion is needed.

Your continuous use of assumptions makes me question your intelligence.
 
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