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PeteOsborne said:
Yes, the Orsk is fine, no one is debating that since it was explained that the ship is its sister ship, the Saratov.
Again I have seen no one claiming 400 casualties from this attack.
There are pictures I have seen of it listing to port with water over the side rail, looks as if it hit bottom and started to roll.
If she sunk 5m then the ship was mostly empty since her loaded draft is over 6m and the depth of the harbor is 8.5m at its shallowest.
If I can find them again I will post them .
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Still haven't found them, I don't remember the twitter feed name but showed a view looking at the front left of the ship and showed water over the port deck and a list to port.
Found this sattelite shot of water over the midships deck though.
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Crystal said:
Can’t find an English version to
Post here yet. It was a Russian article how Orsk with cargo is just fine and how Ukraine added 400 casualties because that’s Orsk capacity. Also it said something that Saratov will have to go through years of repairs and it’s not like Ukraine claimed at the bottom , therefore the port is fully functional. I’ll wait for the official military statements..
And I am sure russia has better things to do than to load cargo from one ship to an identical one just to kill some time.lol
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Here is your news release.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2334729-2021-2022-russia-ukraine-conflict
 
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Here is your news release.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2334729-2021-2022-russia-ukraine-conflict
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Well from the pic you posted it did look like it sank.
Here is one more article:
www.google.ca

Russian warships forced to flee after Ukrainian ballistic missile attack

There's no official confirmation from Russia yet.
www.google.ca www.google.ca
It doesn’t really Matter Ukrainians tried to claim the ORsk cargo.
as for Saratov it is actually very very old Soviet ship. It had many major damages in a lifetime and major repairs, and yet it’s not completely useless and for some reason I believe it will be just fine in a while
 
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Crystal said:
Well from the pic you posted it did look like it sank.
Here is one more article:
www.google.ca

Russian warships forced to flee after Ukrainian ballistic missile attack

There's no official confirmation from Russia yet.
www.google.ca www.google.ca
It doesn’t really Matter Ukrainians tried to claim the ORsk cargo.
as for Saratov it is actually very very old Soviet ship. It had many major damages in a lifetime and major repairs, and yet it’s not completely useless and for some reason I believe it will be just fine in a while
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Sure, and I'm sure you're also now saying that Putin never wanted to surround Kyiv, kill Zelenskiy and install a puppet government.
All he really wanted to do was get Donbas.

Which he had before he invaded.
 
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Sure, and I'm sure you're also now saying that Putin never wanted to surround Kyiv, kill Zelenskiy and install a puppet government.
All he really wanted to do was get Donbas.

Which he had before he invaded.
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I’m not saying it. How does it matter even what am I gona say. He actually did surround Kiev at some point. He wanted to kill zelensky is only according to zelensky himself and you:) which puppet government do you think Putin was gona install? Lavrov? Some things that were explained to Russians didn’t make any sense and sounded like very long term unrealistic plans that were meant to minimize civilian casualties, but clearly it came with the big loss of Russian soldiers lives instead. The states were bragging the other week how Russia had more
Losses there than them in 20 years. If it was for American peacekeeping Ukraine would have been droned down to the ground by now and Russia wouldnt have any casualties at all.
I am sure Biden daydreams about killing Putin and installing a puppet gov. Though. He actually said that out loud.
 
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I’m not saying it. How does it matter even what am I gona say. He actually did surround Kiev at some point. He wanted to kill zelensky is only according to zelensky himself and you:) which puppet government do you think Putin was gona install? Lavrov? Some things that were explained to Russians didn’t make any sense and sounded like very long term unrealistic plans that were meant to minimize civilian casualties, but clearly it came with the big loss of Russian soldiers lives instead. The states were bragging the other week how Russia had more
Losses there than them in 20 years. If it was for American peacekeeping Ukraine would have been droned down to the ground by now and Russia wouldnt have any casualties at all.
I am sure Biden daydreams about killing Putin and installing a puppet gov. Though. He actually said that out loud.
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We're down to a point where the best case scenario for Putin is he takes Donbas and Mariupol.

NATO will end up stronger and more important.
The US will have gotten rid of Putin's threats with almost no costs.
Ukraine will get rebuilt.
Russia's demographic issues just exploded and it will take years to recover from sanctions.
 
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We're down to a point where the best case scenario for Putin is he takes Donbas and Mariupol.

NATO will end up stronger and more important.
The US will have gotten rid of Putin's threats with almost no costs.
Ukraine will get rebuilt.
Russia's demographic issues just exploded and it will take years to recover from sanctions.
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Biden senior and junior will rebuild Ukraine:)
Russia is Russia.. nothing has exploded there. Nothing new really.
nobody feels the impact of any sanctions. Malls look pretty much the same like they did during covid. And that will change with the next US elections. If Biden keeps sticking his nose to Taiwan and tries to Play Ukraine in China, China will drop dollars and that’s when the fun starts for you here.. as unfortunate we are affected by everything that happens in US economy
 
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Crystal said:
Biden senior and junior will rebuild Ukraine:)
Russia is Russia.. nothing has exploded there. Nothing new really.
nobody feels the impact of any sanctions. Malls look pretty much the same like they did during covid. And that will change with the next US elections. If Biden keeps sticking his nose to Taiwan and tries to Play Ukraine in China, China will drop dollars and that’s when the fun starts for you here.. as unfortunate we are affected by everything that happens in US economy
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gotta love how Russians know that GOP is on their side
 
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Frankfooter said:
He didn't say he or the US would take him out, only that he shouldn't be in power.
Fake news.


Then it'll be fine that they continue for many years.
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I dressed it up:) to fake it nicely
 
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Crystal said:
I dressed it up:) to fake it nicely
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Putin shouldn’t be allowed to stay in power. Not a secret. I’m surprised Russians haven’t voted him out, since during his reign he’s pillaged $200bn or so, with hundreds of times more going to his “oligarch” cronies while the average Russian lives on a pittance in comparison. Oh, ya I forgot, you can’t vote him out, there is only one name on the ballot. And if you are a political opponent you go to jail, fall out a window or accidentally confuse polonium or Novichok for the milk you put in your tea in the morning.
 
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Crystal said:
Biden senior and junior will rebuild Ukraine:)
Russia is Russia.. nothing has exploded there. Nothing new really.
nobody feels the impact of any sanctions. Malls look pretty much the same like they did during covid. And that will change with the next US elections. If Biden keeps sticking his nose to Taiwan and tries to Play Ukraine in China, China will drop dollars and that’s when the fun starts for you here.. as unfortunate we are affected by everything that happens in US economy
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Russia is Russia, and nothing has exploded there. Unlike thousands of explosions in Ukraine. Nothing has exploded in Russia, but Putin has sent tens of thousands of Russian teenagers to get exploded in the mud in Ukraine. Lied to about what they were doing, ill equipped, poorly trained. Humans as cannon fodder. Can’t believe that Russians aren’t horrified that their leader sends their young men to be slaughtered like livestock. For no good reason. Kiyv is a long way from Donbas.
 
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massman said:
Putin shouldn’t be allowed to stay in power. Not a secret. I’m surprised Russians haven’t voted him out, since during his reign he’s pillaged $200bn or so, with hundreds of times more going to his “oligarch” cronies while the average Russian lives on a pittance in comparison. Oh, ya I forgot, you can’t vote him out, there is only one name on the ballot. And if you are a political opponent you go to jail, fall out a window or accidentally confuse polonium or Novichok for the milk you put in your tea in the morning.
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They don’t care what he pillaged. They just need a strong man with a whip. They love whip.
 
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Frankfooter said:
That's why Russia is now declaring that they may only try to take Donbas after all
This is a massive backdown.

Russia to focus on Donbass region - Russian Interfax news agency
Russia will focus on completely so-called “liberating” Ukraine’s Donbass region and does not rule out the possibility of storming blockaded Ukrainian cities, according to Russian news agency Interfax, citing the defence ministry and army.
The defence ministry said Russia had been considering two options for its so-called “special operation” in Ukraine – one solely within the self-proclaimed separatist republics in Donbass and the other on the whole territory of Ukraine, Interfax reported.
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Seems the missiles in Lviv today may have missed their target. By 1000km.
 
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