Actually not at all true, they had a small part of Donbass. Once they have Mariupol then then will have it.
Ukrainians launch major counter attacks on stalled Russian forces
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Russian fatalism, that's the sad part. Yeltsin became a lame duck when the Ruble crashed 1998, it was a big opportunity for positive change. The economist Yegor Gaidar or the liberal Boris Nemtsov could have succeeded him. Unfortunately the Russian psyche has been battered through centuries, the choice was been Putin and Lebed. Gaidar, Nemtsov and Lebed have all been killed and Russian suffering continues.
https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/stealing-russia-blind/
They're gonna take the whole thing, they can't achive their stated goals without it. As I said before they need to clear out the donbass so they can free up enough troops to head west. There have been videos of a long train carrying SPGs west in Russia. So the hammer is coming to Donbass. Now that the Ukranians are surrounded (apparently mostly hardcore Azovs) the Russians probably intend to liquidate them. They let them go once in 2014, and that was a mistake.
To be like Lois Griffin's meatloaf "shallow and pedantic" Ukraine did lob some missiles at a Russian military base early in the war.
Something I am sure the likes of Crystal Meth will jump all over "see, see you're wrong!" as if there is any equivalency.
Notty, weren't you telling us a month ago that Russia was going to win in 2 or 3 days?
I'm sure you'd love the guy who attacked Ukraine and runs the country like this should have a lifetime leadership and statues everywhere.I dressed it upto fake it nicely
You said Ukraine should have surrendered the entire country a month ago.
Now you're saying maybe Russia will take over the part that declared itself independent a month ago instead, if they can win this one battle?
Because Ukraine refused to abide by the terms of its separation from Russia, i.e neutrality, and then started a genocidal war against Russian Ukrainians and refused to abide by a Franco-German sponsored and UN approved peace agreement. Shit like that SHOULD result in loss of sovereignty. If you have a superpower next door and behave in this manner, you can expect bad things to happen.
“Ukraine refused to abide by terms of its separation from Russia”
Read that again. That Ukrainian sovereignty from was “conditional”, ie, those things that make a nation sovereign, like ability to defend itself, to ally itself with friends, are reasons to revoke that sovereignty.
The war in the east has been fuelled by Russia for years. It’s escalation from a separatist movement to a war is due to Russian interference from the start. Likely a long term plan for what we are seeing today. One thing the Russian invasion of Ukraine has done is to shine light on Putin’s ambitions and long term plan to “re-sovietize” Eastern Europe.
Nothing justifies Putin’s actions in Ukraine. He is a power hungry bully. He cares for nothing but his own power, enrichment and what he sees as his “birthright” to rule Russia (and whatever other countries he can “re conquer” till he dies.
Read that again. That Ukrainian sovereignty from was “conditional”, ie, those things that make a nation sovereign, like ability to defend itself, to ally itself with friends, are reasons to revoke that sovereignty.
The war in the east has been fuelled by Russia for years. It’s escalation from a separatist movement to a war is due to Russian interference from the start. Likely a long term plan for what we are seeing today. One thing the Russian invasion of Ukraine has done is to shine light on Putin’s ambitions and long term plan to “re-sovietize” Eastern Europe.
Nothing justifies Putin’s actions in Ukraine. He is a power hungry bully. He cares for nothing but his own power, enrichment and what he sees as his “birthright” to rule Russia (and whatever other countries he can “re conquer” till he dies.
So you mean Ukraine should do whatever Russia wants, regardless of peace agreements, international law or whatever because 'they have a superpower next door'?
Bullshit.
First of all, there was no "genocidal war against Russian Ukrainians" - by which you probably mean Ukrainians whose first language is Russian. They're fighting against Russia right now. My friend from Lviv is Russophone and her family is originally from St P. They all hate Putin. There was no mistreatment of them or other Russophone Ukrainians.
Second, why tf is Ukraine bound by "the terms of its separation from Russia"?! Ukraine is a sovereign state. It can do what it wants. Some deal that was imposed on it in 1990 means shit 30 years later. All countries have the legal right to re write treaties. It's part of being an independent country.
And the Minsk agreement?..... Putin can file a complaint with the Hague or fire a few rounds of artillery back across the dividing line in Donbas whenever the Ukrainians do. He doesn't get to do regime change, shell Kyiv and Kharkiv and cause thousands of civilian casualties.
Lastly, WHAT fucking superpower??!?!?!..... Russia has a GDP less than Canada and an impoverished population about as large as Germany and France put together. And the German GDP is over twice as large as Russia's. Russia is a failed , third tier state than can't accept that it's inconsequential in world matters. And that's why its sad, inept army is getting an ass-kicking from Kyiv.
Haha yeah well I guess its a failed state that no one is willing to oppose militarily except Ukraine? Western Ukraine hates Russia and Putin, true. Crimea hates Kiev. Donbass mostly hates Kiev. So its a fractured nation and the first stage of this war was when an elected govt was deposed and anti-russian rules passed with no election. Why does Russia need to go to the Hague when people are being killed by the Ukraine military. Many of them Russian dual citizens. The US did 2 regime changes in Ukraine and now Putin is doing one .If your a country that does not understand the limits of sovereignty, stuff like this happens to you.
So if you believe so strongly in sovereignty does Iran have the right to develop nuclear weapons and ICBMs? Does N. Korea?
Canada should pray day and night that US would not become a dictatorship and US troops would not cross the border to liberate Canada from its "fascist" government.
Candace Owens called for the US to invade Canada to stop Justin Trudeau cracking down on trucker protests
Her call for the US to launch a military operation against Canada drew derision, but reflected backing for the truckers among the GOP base.
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