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Ukrainians launch major counter attacks on stalled Russian forces

PeteOsborne

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Are you really celebrating on what's going on? This isn't the bulk of the Russian army....this is as unpredictable as it gets...who knows what the Russian might do next. They already know, NATO will not engage...They can easily crush Ukraine if Putin decides to go all in...It just shows you Russia isn't keen on going to WW3 either...and contradicts the theory that he's just going to Nuke everybody...Like I said, this war will have no winners...I don't support the Russian invasion as the next guy...I don't praise Russian "victories" because there are none...pummeling a city into rubble isn't a sight to see...
He is pretty much "all in" as the remaining forces are needed elsewhere to man borderposts,ETC.
Moving them weakens defenses elsewhere.
 
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As Wesley Clark said tonight. Putin is showing no sign of wavering in his intent. The Russian army is not defeated. They have only just begun. Unless the West gives Ukraine planes and heavy artillery they will become worn down by attrition. Russia has more of everything
Sure, if you ignore everything that is actually happening, then this is true.
He might have no sign of wavering in his intent, but the reality is different. The Russian army is taking major losses at a higher rate than Ukraine [which actually has more men]. It's lose ground on multiple fronts. Morale is falling apart. Supplies are an issue. He can't really call up the reserves because that would also trigger a backlash whereas Ukraine can't yet arm everyone who wants to smash shit up.

IIRC Clark is the same guy who speculated that the Russians will lob a nuke... at Poland if things get bad in the Ukraine. He has never heard of article 5 it seems.
 

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Anyway squashing doesn't seem to be an option with the whole Russian population saying "without Russia what's the point of the planet?" or whatever shit they are saying now. Going nuclear doesn't seem to scare them at all.
I call bullshit.
1: Nobody is actually saying they want to set up a world without Russia. Poutine knows it, all the people who actually matter know it. Only people who might think that... well they matter about as much as covidiots on terb do which is not at all.
2: Everyone freaks out over every threat of using a nuke. I can assume you that being blasted into oblivion does scare the Russians. Unless you think they are no longer human. I am reminded of the scene from the movie kickass where this bad guy pulls a knife on Hit Girl who responds cheerfully with "hey I got one of those too". We have nukes, with UK and France we actually have a few more... and much less targets to waste than they do.
 
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I call bullshit.
1: Nobody is actually saying they want to set up a world without Russia. Poutine knows it, all the people who actually matter know it. Only people who might think that... well they matter about as much as covidiots on terb do which is not at all.
2: Everyone freaks out over every threat of using a nuke. I can assume you that being blasted into oblivion does scare the Russians. Unless you think they are no longer human. I am reminded of the scene from the movie kickass where this bad guy pulls a knife on Hit Girl who responds cheerfully with "hey I got one of those too". We have nukes, with UK and France we actually have a few more... and much less targets to waste than they do.
Oh yea?
 

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Are you really celebrating on what's going on? This isn't the bulk of the Russian army....this is as unpredictable as it gets...who knows what the Russian might do next. They already know, NATO will not engage...They can easily crush Ukraine if Putin decides to go all in...It just shows you Russia isn't keen on going to WW3 either...and contradicts the theory that he's just going to Nuke everybody...Like I said, this war will have no winners...I don't support the Russian invasion as the next guy...I don't praise Russian "victories" because there are none...pummeling a city into rubble isn't a sight to see...
I am going to pull a "you" on you here:

Are you really that distraught that the actual purveyors/cockroaches of mass murder and apocalyptic destruction, that being the Russian military personnel who push that button, pull that trigger, release that artillery barrage, set off that MLR, launch those cruise missiles, fly those fighter jets et al fertilize the soil of a land they do not belong in, have no Godly reason to be in and destroy? Without these cockroaches, none of this would be happening. They in actuality and in fact are the ones committing mass murder and annihilation.

People have asked, how could have Stalin and Hitler committed mass murder and slaughter on such an industrial scale? How was it physically possible for these two slaughter 10's of millions all by themselves? The answer is that they had millions of their own people willingly and physically actually commit the crimes against humanity on a industrial scale.
 

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So some rando posting in untranslated text from what, Russian, Ukrainian proves what.

I could just as easily post a tweet in Klingon saying that you french kissed a horse. [If I knew Klingon]

It changes nothing of what I said.

Poutine might not waver but the overwhelming evidence on the ground and elsewhere says he isn't going to succeed
Russian advances have stalled, fact,
Ukrainians have been pushing back in the North and South, fact.
There are no plans in the West nor any interest in driving towards Moscow, not only is that a fact but considering how much NATO has been pussy footing around it should be obvious and fact. They make up shit like crazy but there is no evidence that the adults who matter actually believe that for example the Jewish leader of Ukraine is a Nazi.
Nobody in Russia has a death wish. Fact, again unless you don't consider them human in which case take your racist ass and go fuck yourself. I'm sure Poutine would much rather enjoy retirement in Switzerland or China than either die or be hunted down in a nuclear wasteland of what's left of Russia with NATO troops [or what's left on them] in a foul mood having their homelands blown up. Never mind going down in history has history's second greatest monster after of course Justin Beiber.
Russian Morale is collapsing, fact,
Their equipment issues are vast, fact.



Hitler was absolutely sure of winning deep into 1945, I am sure if he had twitter back then he would go on about fantasies about a grand alliance with the west this and the Jews that but it means nothing. Poutine wants stuff, that doesn't make it possible.

No matter how much I want it to happen, I am not getting a 4 way with Alyson Hannigan, Kate Micucci and Lauren Lapkus. Not gonna happen, not gonna, na ga. Wouldn't be prudent at any juncture to chase after it. If I did it would only end in failure and if I were to push to hard sharing a cell with the booty warrior or the health inspector.
 

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So some rando posting in untranslated text from what, Russian, Ukrainian proves what.

I could just as easily post a tweet in Klingon saying that you french kissed a horse. [If I knew Klingon]

It changes nothing of what I said.

Poutine might not waver but the overwhelming evidence on the ground and elsewhere says he isn't going to succeed
Russian advances have stalled, fact,
Ukrainians have been pushing back in the North and South, fact.
There are no plans in the West nor any interest in driving towards Moscow, not only is that a fact but considering how much NATO has been pussy footing around it should be obvious and fact. They make up shit like crazy but there is no evidence that the adults who matter actually believe that for example the Jewish leader of Ukraine is a Nazi.
Nobody in Russia has a death wish. Fact, again unless you don't consider them human in which case take your racist ass and go fuck yourself. I'm sure Poutine would much rather enjoy retirement in Switzerland or China than either die or be hunted down in a nuclear wasteland of what's left of Russia with NATO troops [or what's left on them] in a foul mood having their homelands blown up. Never mind going down in history has history's second greatest monster after of course Justin Beiber.
Russian Morale is collapsing, fact,
Their equipment issues are vast, fact.



Hitler was absolutely sure of winning deep into 1945, I am sure if he had twitter back then he would go on about fantasies about a grand alliance with the west this and the Jews that but it means nothing. Poutine wants stuff, that doesn't make it possible.

No matter how much I want it to happen, I am not getting a 4 way with Alyson Hannigan, Kate Micucci and Lauren Lapkus. Not gonna happen, not gonna, na ga. Wouldn't be prudent at any juncture to chase after it. If I did it would only end in failure and if I were to push to hard sharing a cell with the booty warrior or the health inspector.
Watch the video, please, it has english subtitles and clips from Russian media and government officials discussing expansion plans and the use of nuclear weapons as a first strike.
 

mandrill

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If that's the case, Ukraine should be ready and not trust these reports that Russia will focus on Donbass...they might just amass another advance...Whatever Ukraine can take back, they should...at least take something back for their people to have a place to go home to.
I don't think Russia has the resources at this point. Look for them to hold their positions around Kyiv and double-down on Mariupol and pull back from Mikolayev into a defensive posture around Kherson.
 

mandrill

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Watch the video, please, it has english subtitles and clips from Russian media and government officials discussing expansion plans and the use of nuclear weapons as a first strike.
So what?!

First of all, their conventional forces are so inept that they can't beat the most backward country in Europe with a fraction of Russia's resources. Fuck help them if they go head-to-head with the Germans or Brits! So all they have left is bluster about nukes.

And if they're going to throw nukes and go Armageddon, then the West has to throw back. You cannot have one rogue power using WMD without retaliation from the other powers. It will never end and Russia will go nuclear over and over again if there is no reaction.

Russia and its nukes are a serious and ongoing problem. This is the takeaway from the Ukraine War. You have an authoritarian, cult of personality dictatorship with heavily censored press and a national mission to invade neighbouring countries to get back an empire that hasn't existed since the 1980's. It's seriously destabilizing and there has to be a plan to deal with it that involves all the other countries in Europe and which takes into account nuclear strikes.
 

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I don't think Russia has the resources at this point. Look for them to hold their positions around Kyiv and double-down on Mariupol and pull back from Mikolayev into a defensive posture around Kherson.
Like I said, I don't trust the reports I'm getting... fog of war...
 

Insidious Von

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Like I said, I don't trust the reports I'm getting... fog of war...
Fog of war notwithstanding, the biggest problem that Russia is facing as a war machine - it's a kleptocracy. They can supply their soldiers with weapons but they can't supply their soldiers with provisions...not without massive extortion. Russian soldiers are going hungry, they are getting picked off looking for food. While the Ukrainians are eating sausage and dumplings, the Russians are eating dandelions.

MmmmmMmm Gooood Eatin!

 
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Insidious Von

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Most of Ukraine is a breadbasket, Russian soldiers would rather not starve to death for the glory of Putinesca and his oligarchs.

 

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I wonder how they new it was in that port, oh yeah, Russian media released a drone video of it being unloaded at the port.
Oops. They did it again. Claimed something that wasn’t there..and it’s pretty much the second time how they speak the whole day about a specific ship, say with pride what it was carrying and have to clarify their mistake for the audience. That only happens when it is the obvious fact of BS whatever can’t be just visually confirmed by anything but Twitter just stay as is for civilians and mercenaries. And whatever the reason for them not taking over Kiev, I am only happy about it. He has no business anywhere else but d and l That’s for sure. The only thing they have to be on top of the game with spies etc with supplies from the west. And yeah use their hypersonic shit for nato shipments..
 
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Insidious Von

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Putinesca didn't think this through, Lukashenka's forces have been asked to chip in.

The Western border is open, weapons are pouring into the Ukraine. All they have to do is enact a scortched earth before advancing Russians. Ukrainians have the advantage as long as they defend the food depots.

 
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