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Pfizer CEO says fourth COVID-19 shot ‘necessary’ due to waning immunity

The Oracle

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There are no absolute facts in science. This is what your type do not get. Every medication has it's drawbacks.

If you get cancer will you get on a chemotherapy treatment? You will because you want to live. But the medication might kill you before it can cure you.

Same fucking thing with covid. Except covid vaccine might very well prevent from getting sick. So fuck yeah I will take it.
Well have fun in the intervention group then. I'll stay in the control thank you.

And we will see how this experiment of a mRNA vaccine ( gene therapy) works out.......
 

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I feel like I only ever heard it presented as a ‘hopefully,”’ statement by Tam and Trudeau. I don’t think Ford and his cronies were any more or less clear that herd immunity is conceptual.

Trudeau certainly dangled “75%” as a possible threshold for lifting restrictions in the 2nd quarter of last year. That was dismissed as it became clear that places like Israel and UK weren’t seeing evidence of herd immunity being achieved at those levels.

The only people that seem really miffed by this are people whose brains are so brittle that they can’t process “evolving science” and the likes.

They probably also have MySpace accounts, flip phones and are on a Palio diet.
Now your dissing a Paleo diet?.......LOL.....How's your impossible burger taste?
 

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Well have fun in the intervention group then. I'll stay in the control thank you.

And we will see how this experiment of a mRNA vaccine ( gene therapy) works out.......
I know for a fack the vaccine protected millions from getting seriously sick or dying. So yeah I will continue to trust science to protect myself.

mRNA is not gene therapy :ROFLMAO: Crazy to think some still believe that. By the way mRNA is a few years away to a vaccine against oncology based cancer. This is huge. No chemo! Affected by cancer there will be no more anti-vax believe me.
 

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Herd immunity is impossible with this virus.
1)Based on your expertise/ advanced knowledge regarding viruses and epidemiology in general including herd immunity? (Please provide your educational qualifications)
2)Based on your studies of covid in particular? (qualifications)
3)Based on your gut feelings/a hunch?
4)Based on your political leanings? (we already know those)

Please tell us how you absolutely know that it will not and cannot ever happen with this virus. It is impossible.
 
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Following up, here's a study that says the fourth vaccine doesn't do much. The Pfizer boss can't be happy with this study.

Fourth vaccine offers little protection against COVID-19 - study
Interim results released show that the vaccine offers little to no protection against the virus when compared to three doses.


The fourth coronavirus vaccine has shown to offer little protection against the coronavirus, a new study released by Sheba Medical Center has shown.

The study, published by The New England Journal of Medicine, examines the efficacy of the fourth coronavirus vaccine from Pfizer and Moderna. The interim results released show that the vaccine offers little to no protection against contracting the virus when compared to young and healthy individuals vaccinated with three doses.

However, the vaccine did prove to provide moderate protection against symptomatic infection among young and healthy individuals in comparison to those inoculated three times.

“Among the approximate 600 participants, 270 of whom received either a fourth dose of the Pfizer vaccine or Moderna vaccine, we found no differences, both in terms of IgG antibody levels and in terms of neutralizing antibody levels, which reached a level similar to that measured a month after the third dose was administered,” said Prof. Gili Regev-Yochay, director of the Infection Prevention and Control Unit at Sheba Medical Center and head researcher of the study.

She also noted that in terms of the effectiveness of the fourth vaccine against infection – both of Pfizer and Moderna – they found that the infection rates among vaccinated individuals were only slightly lower than those in the control group.

“However, it should be emphasized that the third dose is extremely important for anyone who has not yet contracted COVID-19, and the fourth dose is most likely important for populations with risk factors for which a fourth vaccine would protect from serious illness.

“This study is added to a series of studies led by Sheba with the aim of providing a scientific basis for managing a pandemic that has wreaked havoc around the globe,” concluded Regev-Yochay.

“Thanks to the cohort at Sheba and the plethora of data we have accumulated since the beginning of the pandemic, we continue to lead international studies which shed light on the behavior of the virus and the effectiveness of vaccines and serve decision makers in determining health policy in Israel and around the world.”

 

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That's not how "herd immunity" works.
Doubt it will ever happen for Covid, it keeps changing it's colour

The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated.

For polio, the threshold is about 80%. The proportion of the population that must be vaccinated against COVID-19 to begin inducing herd immunity is not known.
 

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Doubt it will ever happen for Covid, it keeps changing it's colour

The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated.

For polio, the threshold is about 80%. The proportion of the population that must be vaccinated against COVID-19 to begin inducing herd immunity is not known.
Yup, 1-1/R nought is the "rule of thumb" level of non-susceptible people.

Given the various variants seem to have different R-nought, that's been hard to manage or anticipate. (Let alone vaccine escape.)

In the end, it is all just about getting effective R down below 1 - especially when there is a spike.
 

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However, the vaccine did prove to provide moderate protection against symptomatic infection among young and healthy individuals in comparison to those inoculated three times.

“Among the approximate 600 participants, 270 of whom received either a fourth dose of the Pfizer vaccine or Moderna vaccine, we found no differences, both in terms of IgG antibody levels and in terms of neutralizing antibody levels, which reached a level similar to that measured a month after the third dose was administered,” said Prof. Gili Regev-Yochay, director of the Infection Prevention and Control Unit at Sheba Medical Center and head researcher of the study.

She also noted that in terms of the effectiveness of the fourth vaccine against infection – both of Pfizer and Moderna – they found that the infection rates among vaccinated individuals were only slightly lower than those in the control group.

“However, it should be emphasized that the third dose is extremely important for anyone who has not yet contracted COVID-19, and the fourth dose is most likely important for populations with risk factors for which a fourth vaccine would protect from serious illness.
So the third dose is pretty good except some populations might need the forth which would not be picked up in studies of general populations.

Good to know.
 

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Following up, here's a study that says the fourth vaccine doesn't do much. The Pfizer boss can't be happy with this study.

Fourth vaccine offers little protection against COVID-19 - study
Interim results released show that the vaccine offers little to no protection against the virus when compared to three doses.


The fourth coronavirus vaccine has shown to offer little protection against the coronavirus, a new study released by Sheba Medical Center has shown.

The study, published by The New England Journal of Medicine, examines the efficacy of the fourth coronavirus vaccine from Pfizer and Moderna. The interim results released show that the vaccine offers little to no protection against contracting the virus when compared to young and healthy individuals vaccinated with three doses.

However, the vaccine did prove to provide moderate protection against symptomatic infection among young and healthy individuals in comparison to those inoculated three times.

“Among the approximate 600 participants, 270 of whom received either a fourth dose of the Pfizer vaccine or Moderna vaccine, we found no differences, both in terms of IgG antibody levels and in terms of neutralizing antibody levels, which reached a level similar to that measured a month after the third dose was administered,” said Prof. Gili Regev-Yochay, director of the Infection Prevention and Control Unit at Sheba Medical Center and head researcher of the study.

She also noted that in terms of the effectiveness of the fourth vaccine against infection – both of Pfizer and Moderna – they found that the infection rates among vaccinated individuals were only slightly lower than those in the control group.

“However, it should be emphasized that the third dose is extremely important for anyone who has not yet contracted COVID-19, and the fourth dose is most likely important for populations with risk factors for which a fourth vaccine would protect from serious illness.

“This study is added to a series of studies led by Sheba with the aim of providing a scientific basis for managing a pandemic that has wreaked havoc around the globe,” concluded Regev-Yochay.

“Thanks to the cohort at Sheba and the plethora of data we have accumulated since the beginning of the pandemic, we continue to lead international studies which shed light on the behavior of the virus and the effectiveness of vaccines and serve decision makers in determining health policy in Israel and around the world.”

The charade is over.
 

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‘We probably would have had a 95% refusal rate’ for these shots two years ago, but the pandemic and marketing of the injections as ‘vaccines’ has made them popular with the public, said Stefan Oelrich.

Without help from the global pandemic people may never have been convinced to inject themselves with an experimental mRNA gene therapy, a scientist bragged during a world health conference.
Speaking at the opening of the World Health Summit 2021 last November, Bayer Pharmaceuticals Division President Stefan Oelrich admitted were it not for the pandemic, the experimental injection may have seen an extremely high rejection rate.

 
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They need to please their shareholders with billions more in profits.
The smart people buy shares in profitable companies. I guess that that doesn't include you... 🤣


They are going to come out with a COVID/flu shot combo. Watch. I have been saying this from the beginning. It will be a couple years but it will happen. We will need a booster every winter like the flu so may as well make it a combo shot. LOL
So we need a booster once a year. Combo shots have been around for many years. MMR and Tdap immediately come to mind.


I know for a fact the vaccine protected millions from getting seriously sick or dying. So yeah I will continue to trust science to protect myself.

mRNA is not gene therapy :ROFLMAO: Crazy to think some still believe that. By the way mRNA is a few years away to a vaccine against oncology based cancer. This is huge. No chemo! Affected by cancer there will be no more anti-vax believe me.
It will be interesting to see, but I believe that faced with cancer, the anti-mRNA crowd will gladly seek the treatment if it's effective. Or will they refuse it? Telling the doctor it's gene therapy and they have numerous Facebook and YouTube videos to prove it!
 
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So we need a booster once a year. Combo shots have been around for many years. MMR and Tdap immediately come to mind.
2 vaccines are currently being research of upmost importance.

- mRNA cancer vaccine
If they succeed it will change cancer treatment for many type of cancer. Big breakthrough. Imagine beating cancer without chemo!

- Coronavirus vaccine
Many teams of researcher are working on vaccine that would work for all type of corona based virus.
 

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It will be interesting to see, but I believe that faced with cancer, the anti-mRNA crowd will gladly seek the treatment if it's effective. Or will they refuse it?
- mRNA cancer vaccine
If they succeed it will change cancer treatment for many type of cancer. Big breakthrough. Imagine beating cancer without chemo!
Some have said if asked if they would take a cancer vaccine would say no.

Keep in mind, such a vaccine doesn't exist, there is no data on it what so ever. Flat out no.
At least cancer isn't contagious. Pity that those ignorent fucks would still insist that the government pay for their chemo. Just because out of ignorance they wouldn't take a shot that has been tested and approved for use. Keep in mind we are not talking about people who have been unable to overcome a food or tobacco addiction, just a simple fucking shot.
 
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