Not a Lot of Sympathy for Putin

mandrill

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Yes, basically this is the main reason: Putin did not get love and respect from Western leaders so, he wanted them to be scared of him.
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Yes, basically this is the main reason: Putin did not get love and respect from Western leaders so, he wanted them to be scared of him.
Wow, I had no idea that you thought Putin was so insecure and needy.
We should have sent him the bouncy castles and hot tubs and spared the world.
 

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Agree with your sentiments, but the West needed to do something about him long time ago. But noone wanted to bear the costs of it, so, this is what it become. You should treat cancer in an early stage even if the operation is dangerous and costly, not wait until it will grow and kill you.
 

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Agree with your sentiments, but the West needed to do something about him long time ago. But noone wanted to bear the costs of it, so, this is what it become. You should treat cancer in an early stage even if the operation is dangerous and costly, not wait until it will grow and kill you.
But when the cancer is in someone else's body, you have to wait until they ask for help.

Thermobaric bomb dropped on Kharkiv.

 
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Maybe some liberal lefty country will offer him asylum where he can have his $billions and all the pussy he can handle.

Mind you, leaving Russia didn't save Trotsky (who also happened to be Ukrainian).
Leon Trotsky - Wikipedia

BTW: Many of the revolutionaries were Jewish but that will have to be the subject of another post.
Good point. You can see how brazen Putin is assassinating people out of his favor around the globe. Why wouldn't one of his successors off Putin in exile?

I do question this "liberal lefty country" offering Putin asylum logic. Putin is neither a lefty nor a liberal. He's a reactionary. He's a corrupt kleptocrat. He's a ruthless dictator. He's a lot of things, but liberal lefty is not one of them.

There are only a few countries where he would be welcome. Would he want to live in North Korea, Iran or Syria? Perhaps Venezuela. Are there any island nations run by dictators? Oh yeah, Cuba. Cuba has nice weather.
 
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People still like Canadians even after a convoy of white supremacist anti vaxxers tried to start an insurrection.
It's mostly nice to be on the same side of this Frank. Of course, you have to add your now expected distracting comments.

I guess Russia vs. Ukraine is a fairly inconsequential choice for you given this is mostly Caucasians fighting each other.
 

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Russian leaders do not step down or got replaced through election :)
I think "fall" is saying that the Leader of Russia is a job for life whether death comes sooner or later.
 
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It's mostly nice to be on the same side of this Frank. Of course, you have to add your now expected distracting comments.

I guess Russia vs. Ukraine is a fairly inconsequential choice for you given this is mostly Caucasians fighting each other.
Its a start, wyatt. Though I'd say this skirmish stands to be more consequential long term than anything we've seen for a while.
If Russia succeeds, China takes Taiwan.
If they fail, Putin falls, Russia is screwed and China steps back.
 

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Good point. You can see how brazen Putin is assassinating people out of his favor around the globe. Why wouldn't one of his successors off Putin in exile?

I do question this "liberal lefty country" offering Putin asylum logic. Putin is neither a lefty nor a liberal. He's a reactionary. He's a corrupt kleptocrat. He's a ruthless dictator. He's a lot of things, but liberal lefty is not one of them.

There are only a few countries where he would be welcome. Would he want to live in North Korea, Iran or Syria? Perhaps Venezuela. Are there any island nations run by dictators? Oh yeah, Cuba. Cuba has nice weather.
Cuba also had Guantanamo…I’m just dreaming out loud
 

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I am disappointed to read this post. I thought better of you.
I've seen your name referenced on another thread as being empathetic to Russia. What posts of yours would have given someone this idea?
 

mandrill

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Good point. You can see how brazen Putin is assassinating people out of his favor around the globe. Why wouldn't one of his successors off Putin in exile?
I do question this "liberal lefty country" offering Putin asylum logic. Putin is neither a lefty nor a liberal. He's a reactionary. He's a corrupt kleptocrat. He's a ruthless dictator. He's a lot of things, but liberal lefty is not one of them.
There are only a few countries where he would be welcome. Would he want to live in North Korea, Iran or Syria? Perhaps Venezuela. Are there any island nations run by dictators? Oh yeah, Cuba. Cuba has nice weather.
Cuba he'd be liable for a nasty slip and fall into a pool sometime late one night. Just need a couple of resourceful CIA guys with Canadian passports. Cuba is urban, busy and open to Western tourism.

Venezuela won't last forever. Brazil??... Bolsie is a fanboi and it's big and anonymous.
 

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Notty? Danmand? Timber 1?
Understanding is NOT the same as supporting or sympathizing.

Majority of you get facts about Russia/Ukraine from occasional news and haven't followed relationship between either country long enough to really know what's what.

Russia DOES have legitimate concerns about security. NATO expanded all the way to it's borders and Ukraine asked to join NATO multiple times.

Days before invasion, Zelensky announced at Munich Security Conference (Feb.18-20, 2022) that Ukraine no longer recongizes it's nuclear neautral status and will regain it's nuclear capabilities.

In Fall of 2013 there was a US government tender (Naval Facilities Engineering Command (DOD - Navy) to build a Naval Base in Sevastopol. In February 2014 a coup happened. Perfect fckn timing.

Took me while to find it, but here it is:


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And that's just a tip of the iceberg.
 

mandrill

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Understanding is NOT the same as supporting or sympathizing.

Majority of you get facts about Russia/Ukraine from occasional news and haven't followed relationship between either country long enough to really know what's what.

Russia DOES have legitimate concerns about security. NATO expanded all the way to it's borders and Ukraine asked to join NATO multiple times.

Days before invasion, Zelensky announced at Munich Security Conference (Feb.18-20, 2022) that Ukraine no longer recongizes it's nuclear neautral status and will regain it's nuclear capabilities.

In Fall of 2013 there was a US government tender (Naval Facilities Engineering Command (DOD - Navy) to build a Naval Base in Sevastopol. In February 2014 a coup happened. Perfect fckn timing.

Took me while to find it, but here it is:


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And that's just a tip of the iceberg.
That's a school reno. And that's when Yanukovych was president of Ukraine. And the amount of work is fairly minor - "The estimated cost of construction is between $250,000 and $500,000." There are HOUSE RENOS in Toronto that cost more than that!

The rest of your post - Canada lives beside a major nuclear power. So does Luxembourg. So does Ireland. Does Canada then invade the USA? Does Ireland invade the UK? Does Luxembourg invade France?

There has to be a cogent threat. Not only was there no US threat to conduct a nuclear strike on Russia, but Trump was seeking closer relations with Russia. The US does not have a history of nuclear attacks or nuclear blackmail. And certainly not in relation to other major nuclear powers, because doing so would cause World War 3 and that makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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That's a school reno. And that's when Yanukovych was president of Ukraine. And the amount of work is fairly minor - "The estimated cost of construction is between $250,000 and $500,000." There are HOUSE RENOS in Toronto that cost more than that!

The rest of your post - Canada lives beside a major nuclear power. So does Luxembourg. So does Ireland. Does Canada then invade the USA? Does Ireland invade the UK? Does Luxembourg invade France?

There has to be a cogent threat. Not only was there no US threat to conduct a nuclear strike on Russia, but Trump was seeking closer relations with Russia. The US does not have a history of nuclear attacks or nuclear blackmail. And certainly not in relation to other major nuclear powers, because doing so would cause World War 3 and that makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm not sure if you're a professional hack, a heckler, troll or something else.

How can you read an article and come to a conclusion that reno cost is $250-500K??? Unbefcknlivable!

Now READ AGAIN!

US NAVY, Department of Defence was planning to renovate a "school" in a city with Russian Naval Base at cost of $33,500,000 and $250-500K non-construction cost.

Now, in 2022 they have a tender to renovate "schools" and "kindergarten" in Kosovo, Montenegro, Moldova.
 

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I'm not sure if you're a professional hack, a heckler, troll or something else.

How can you read an article and come to a conclusion that reno cost is $250-500K??? Unbefcknlivable!

Now READ AGAIN!

US NAVY, Department of Defence was planning to renovate a "school" in a city with Russian Naval Base at cost of $33,500,000 and $250-500K non-construction cost.

Now, in 2022 they have a tender to renovate "schools" and "kindergarten" in Kosovo, Montenegro, Moldova.
The solicitation will utilize source selection procedures, which require offerors to submit a technical proposal and past performance, as well as a price proposal for evaluation by the Government.The NAICS Code for this procurement is 236220 and the annual size standard is $33,500,000.The estimated cost of construction is between $250,000 and $500,000. The contractor shall complete all works within 330 calendar days after contract award.
 
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