Not a Lot of Sympathy for Putin

[K Douglas]

I’m neutral to Putin. If Russia didn’t have nukes they’d be invaded based on lies by the US a long time ago, just like 2003 Iraq. America lies. A lot.

By the way, I love how western media is rooting for the Ukranians. It’s very touching to see everyone send money and support to Ukranians. They seem like good people.

African Students Fleeing Ukraine Report Being Told 'No Blacks' on Buses

Race is apparently a factor for people trying to flee Ukraine as fighting rages following Russia's invasion.

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In the past I worked with Ukrainians who were originally from Donetsk. They fled because of the dire conditions in Eastern Ukraine. Those in the west live in much better conditions than those in the Donbas region, particularly since the 2014 Crimean annexation. About 40% of the people in Donbas are ethnic Russians and 75% of all residents speak Russian, not Ukrainian.
Many in that area of Ukraine want autonomy and have declared defacto independence as the Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. I can understand Putin sympathizing with those in Donbas and he sees that region as a strategic ally to Russia. He can also read the writing on the wall, Russia is 2 generations away from severe demise, they need a population infusion.
Still I cannot support Putin's actions he's a strong arm leader and not a diplomat. He didn't come close to exhausting his options to resolve the issues peacefully but he's also smart enough to know he isn't negotiating from a position of strength. The best thing that can happen to Russia is for Putin to step down. Or die. 23 years is far too long in power and its showing in his erratic nature.

 

[fall]

In the past I worked with Ukrainians who were originally from Donetsk. They fled because of the dire conditions in Eastern Ukraine. Those in the west live in much better conditions than those in the Donbas region, particularly since the 2014 Crimean annexation. About 40% of the people in Donbas are ethnic Russians and 75% of all residents speak Russian, not Ukrainian.
Many in that area of Ukraine want autonomy and have declared defacto independence as the Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. I can understand Putin sympathizing with those in Donbas and he sees that region as a strategic ally to Russia. He can also read the writing on the wall, Russia is 2 generations away from severe demise, they need a population infusion.
Still I cannot support Putin's actions he's a strong arm leader and not a diplomat. He didn't come close to exhausting his options to resolve the issues peacefully but he's also smart enough to know he isn't negotiating from a position of strength. The best thing that can happen to Russia is for Putin to step down. Or die. 23 years is far too long in power and its showing in his erratic nature.

Russian leaders do not step down or got replaced through election

 

[fall]

It's 1 thing to object to nukes 100 miles away from Miami when they're deliberately put there by a bitter global adversary in 1963. But the risk that maybe-maybe there might be nukes in Kharkiv if maybe-maybe Ukraine maybe-maybe joined NATO maybe-maybe in a few years time maybe-maybe, when the USA has actually been friendly to Russia since the 1990's is not nearly on the same order.

I want to disagree about the 'friends" staff. USA was willing to be a "distant friend" but did not allow Russia to be a close friend. In 1990s Russia wanted to join NATO but was not allowed in: USA were not willing to share NATO secrets with Russia. For many year Russia wanted to have "no visa" regime with USA and Europe but it did not happen either.

 

[Leimonis]

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[mandrill]

I want to disagree about the 'friends" staff. USA was willing to be a "distant friend" but did not allow Russia to be a close friend. In 1990s Russia wanted to join NATO but was not allowed in: USA were not willing to share NATO secrets with Russia. For many year Russia wanted to have "no visa" regime with USA and Europe but it did not happen either.

Russia was extremely unstable in the 1990's, politically and economically. There was the attempted coup and the economic meltdown. And I believe the Chechen War was still going on. Who would want to be close friends with a Russia in chaos.

 

[mandrill]

In the past I worked with Ukrainians who were originally from Donetsk. They fled because of the dire conditions in Eastern Ukraine. Those in the west live in much better conditions than those in the Donbas region, particularly since the 2014 Crimean annexation. About 40% of the people in Donbas are ethnic Russians and 75% of all residents speak Russian, not Ukrainian.
Many in that area of Ukraine want autonomy and have declared defacto independence as the Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. I can understand Putin sympathizing with those in Donbas and he sees that region as a strategic ally to Russia. He can also read the writing on the wall, Russia is 2 generations away from severe demise, they need a population infusion.
Still I cannot support Putin's actions he's a strong arm leader and not a diplomat. He didn't come close to exhausting his options to resolve the issues peacefully but he's also smart enough to know he isn't negotiating from a position of strength. The best thing that can happen to Russia is for Putin to step down. Or die. 23 years is far too long in power and its showing in his erratic nature.

Yes, they hate Kyiv and genuinely want to remain aligned with Moscow. It's genuinely how many of them feel. I had a good friend from Donetsk too. He was one of a couple dozen Russian friends I lost / ditched in 2014.

 

[fall]

Russia was extremely unstable in the 1990's, politically and economically. There was the attempted coup and the economic meltdown. And I believe the Chechen War was still going on. Who would want to be close friends with a Russia in chaos.

True. But what I am saying is that USA wanted the relationship with Russia to follow a model "I will take your opinion in consideration but will do what I want anyway" while Russia wanted equal partnership. Since Russia was not allowed into the "club", Putin decided to take another approach: "if you do not respect us, let's make you fear us"

 

[Frankfooter]

Putin will lose whatever sympathy he had if this is true.

Ukraine, rights groups say Russia used cluster & vacuum bombs

Human rights groups and Ukraine's ambassador to the United States on Monday accused Russia of attacking Ukrainians with cluster bombs and vacuum bombs, weapons that have been condemned by a variety of international organizations.

www.reuters.com

 

[mandrill]

True. But what I am saying is that USA wanted the relationship with Russia to follow a model "I will take your opinion in consideration but will do what I want anyway" while Russia wanted equal partnership. Since Russia was not allowed into the "club", Putin decided to take another approach: "if you do not respect us, let's make you fear us"

But post Soviet Russia is not an equal partner to anyone. It's a corrupt, non democracy with an awful human rights record and an economy that survives because it exports oil and for no other reason.

Asking America to be partner with Russia is like asking a handsome, successful millionaire businessman to be equal partner to a chimpanzee.

And if VVP dies, is deposed or mentally deteriorates, Russia becomes politically unstable again.

 

[Anbarandy]

With just about any topic in the news, you can always find people willing to argue both sides of the story. I'd say in the case of Putin's invasion of Ukraine, he's got a pretty small following of supporters.

Anyone in Putin's camp on this one?

Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov is now trying to rally world opinion to Russia's Putin's side by NOW claiming that Ukraine was just days, hours, seconds away from shoving the innards of nuclear weapons in their missile casings in their world renown sausage/nuclear weapons manufacturing facilities.

If this is independently verified by VladTV and their American affiliate FOX News and their puppet in waiting American Carnage Party leader DJT, then call me Vlad's official puppet on TERB:

@the RealTraitorTrump:

"There are many people who say that Ukraine was ready to nuke the beautiful, peaceful and exquisite province of Russia. I texted Vlad Putin, whom many of you probably don't know is the Russian mayor and that I colluded, conspired with in the past, and he said YES the rumors of an imminent Ukrainian nuclear attack on his village was seconds away from happening. He was very clear, level headed and forceful in his claim and he backed it up by showing me a readout of what Lavrov said. It was a powerful and exquisite display of honesty, integrity and morality and I have to say, I have no reason not to believe them."

 

[Frankfooter]

Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov is now trying to rally world opinion to Russia's Putin's side by NOW claiming that Ukraine was just days, hours, seconds away from shoving the innards of nuclear weapons in their missile casings in their world renown sausage/nuclear weapons manufacturing facilities.

If this is independently verified by VladTV and their American affiliate FOX News and their puppet in waiting American Carnage Party leader DJT, then call me Vlad's official puppet on TERB:

@the RealTraitorTrump:

"There are many people who say that Ukraine was ready to nuke the beautiful, peaceful and exquisite province of Russia. I texted Vlad Putin, whom many of you probably don't know is the Russian mayor and that I colluded, conspired with in the past, and he said YES the rumors of an imminent Ukrainian nuclear attack on his village was seconds away from happening. He was very clear, level headed and forceful in his claim and he backed it up by showing me a readout of what Lavrov said. It was a powerful and exquisite display of honesty, integrity and morality and I have to say, I have no reason not to believe them."

Well, the WMD thing worked for Bush.

Though I don't think they would be hiding them in their tv stations.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498679703628136458

 

[Insidious Von]

I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat.

Don't equate what happened in October 1962 to what is happening now. Khurshchev wanted ballistic missiles that Eisenhower installed in Asia Minor removed. The Americans wouldn't go along with it, so the Soviet Chairman tried to put missiles on Cuba. Unlike today's Ukranian war without justification. Russian firepower is only just beginning, it's heartbreaking to see Kharkiv reduced to dust again.

 

[Insidious Von]

In other news, Belarus dickhead Alexander Lukashenka has requested for the return of the nukes Belarus gave back to Russia. He must feel threatened by Lichtenstein.

 

[NotADcotor]

In other news, Belarus dickhead Alexander Lukashenka has requested for the return of the nukes Belarus gave back to Russia. He must feel threatened by Lichtenstein.

Well arn't you. I know I can't sleep at night knowing that Lichtenstein is out there, watching, waiting.

Not as much of a threat as Justin Beiber of course, they are not in the same league but still.

If Poitine does that, it's time to send some nukes to Ukraine and the Baltics.

 

[mandrill]

Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov is now trying to rally world opinion to Russia's Putin's side by NOW claiming that Ukraine was just days, hours, seconds away from shoving the innards of nuclear weapons in their missile casings in their world renown sausage/nuclear weapons manufacturing facilities.

If this is independently verified by VladTV and their American affiliate FOX News and their puppet in waiting American Carnage Party leader DJT, then call me Vlad's official puppet on TERB:

@the RealTraitorTrump:

"There are many people who say that Ukraine was ready to nuke the beautiful, peaceful and exquisite province of Russia. I texted Vlad Putin, whom many of you probably don't know is the Russian mayor and that I colluded, conspired with in the past, and he said YES the rumors of an imminent Ukrainian nuclear attack on his village was seconds away from happening. He was very clear, level headed and forceful in his claim and he backed it up by showing me a readout of what Lavrov said. It was a powerful and exquisite display of honesty, integrity and morality and I have to say, I have no reason not to believe them."

It was a beautiful phone call.

 

[Gstep]

With just about any topic in the news, you can always find people willing to argue both sides of the story. I'd say in the case of Putin's invasion of Ukraine, he's got a pretty small following of supporters.

Anyone in Putin's camp on this one?

Clearly your not familiar with this section of terb, which is not necessarily a bad thing... there's a few nutters on here who support him from their moms basements.

 

[mandrill]

Canada gives $100M in humanitarian aid for Ukraine, bars Russian ships from waters (msn.com)

 

[fall]

But post Soviet Russia is not an equal partner to anyone. It's a corrupt, non democracy with an awful human rights record and an economy that survives because it exports oil and for no other reason.

Asking America to be partner with Russia is like asking a handsome, successful millionaire businessman to be equal partner to a chimpanzee.

And if VVP dies, is deposed or mentally deteriorates, Russia becomes politically unstable again.

But that chimpanzee has nukes. And since the gentlemen refused to to help the chimpanzee be like human and made it clear that it is a chimpanzee, the chimpanzee got angry and shows that at some areas (military) it is as good as a gentlemen with much less to lose. So, the gentlemen is scared now and has no idea what to do.

P.S.: In your story, change "gentlemen" to white wealthy people and "Russia" (or how you called it, which I cannot repeat in this context because it may be racist) to "poor black people living in bad neighbourhood" and you'll get some similarity between Putin behaviour and BLM protests

 

[mandrill]

But that chimpanzee has nukes. And since the gentlemen refused to to help the chimpanzee be like human and made it clear that it is a chimpanzee, the chimpanzee got angry and shows that at some areas (military) it is as good as a gentlemen with much less to lose. So, the gentlemen is scared now and has no idea what to do.
P.S.: In your story, change "gentlemen" to white wealthy people and "Russia" (or how you called it, which I cannot repeat in this context because it may be racist) to "poor black people living in bad neighbourhood" and you'll get some similarity between Putin behaviour and BLM protests

So.... Putin invading Ukraine just happened because the west was mean to him and is similar to BLM?

 

[fall]

So.... Putin invading Ukraine just happened because the west was mean to him and is similar to BLM?

Yes, basically this is the main reason: Putin did not get love and respect from Western leaders so, he wanted them to be scared of him.