Ford to announce lifting of vaccine mandate March 1st???

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Fisman, Sharkawy, Kwan, Imgrund, Bogoch, Warner, Pirzada, Nimni, Dosani, Boozary…more than a few.

Fisman is an epidemiologist that advocated for gradual reduction in masking in places like schools. Even Dr. Kieran Moore was on the same page as him until he suddenly changed his mind last week without explanation after loud, demandy, Ford-supportin’ parents told Lecce that was unacceptable. But you think he’s an activist for keeping masking restrictions forever?

Dr. Abu Sharkawy is an infectious disease specialist for the University Health Network. Also recommends a gradual approach to lifting mask restrictions, using a phased approach to ensure a soft landing. But also an activist who wants masking restrictions forever, I guess?

I’m not sure which Kwan you’d be talking about.

Ryan Imgrund is a well-respected biostatistician, both in the health and science community, and by every day citizens. His reporting of the pandemic successfully undercut the biggest lies politicians tried to tell citizens.He also has been vocal about the need to utilize science-driven policies for a phased approach to lifting of restrictions. But maybe he also wants restrictions to last forever, and that’s something you know because you’re usually so correct about these things.

The pattern seems clear.

These aren’t activists. These are experts in their field, all fields we look to when making science-based decisions around public health issues. None of them are advocating for masks to remain.

 

[MONTYY]

Fisman is an epidemiologist that advocated for gradual reduction in masking in places like schools. Even Dr. Kieran Moore was on the same page as him until he suddenly changed his mind last week without explanation after loud, demandy, Ford-supportin’ parents told Lecce that was unacceptable. But you think he’s an activist for keeping masking restrictions forever?

It's very clear Moore wants to drop all masking requirements asap. He knows the science behind Omicron shows it is not much more than the flu. Vaccines are available to all Canadians, more than 60% are triple dosed. Treatments are now coming online. ICU rates are falling, keep in mind 50% of those with covid in ICU are not even being treated for covid.

How can one justify holding back 14 million people because 150 are in ICU. Why are we so concerned about 0.001% of the population. Guess the 99.99% of us do not matter to Ford and that dick head Lecce.

 

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It's very clear Moore wants to drop all masking requirements asap. He knows the science behind Omicron shows it is not much more than the flu. Vaccines are available to all Canadians, more than 60% are triple dosed. Treatments are now coming online. ICU rates are falling, keep in mind 50% of those with covid in ICU are not even being treated for covid.

How can one justify holding back 14 million people because 150 are in ICU. Why are we so concerned about 0.001% of the population. Guess the 99.99% of us do not matter to Ford and that dick head Lecce.

Moore has apparently changed his mind on masking in high risk places like public transit and schools in less than a week without presenting any rationale. He is also a political appointment by Ford who replaced Dr. Williams when he wouldn’t lie on behalf of the Ford government. Not surprisingly, Ford and Moore have been in lock step since the appointment.

Who’s holding back 14 million people at this point? High-risk settings are few and far between for the majority of people in the province.

NONE of the the people advocating for gradual reduction in restrictions in high-risk settings are suggesting restrictions remain indefinitely.

 

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Moore has apparently changed his mind on masking in high risk places like public transit and schools in less than a week without presenting any rationale. He is also a political appointment by Ford who replaced Dr. Williams when he wouldn’t lie on behalf of the Ford government. Not surprisingly, Ford and Moore have been in lock step since the appointment.

Who’s holding back 14 million people at this point? High-risk settings are few and far between for the majority of people in the province.

NONE of the the people advocating for gradual reduction in restrictions in high-risk settings are suggesting restrictions remain indefinitely.

I am fine if they keep masking in high risk settings, hospitals, LTC and TTC. Every where else it needs to be dropped, including schools.
Needless Covid testing for travellers who are fully vaccinated needs to be done away with at the sametime.

All they need to do is make masking optional. Leave it up to us to decide what is right for ourselves.

 

[ShockNAwww]

I am fine if they keep masking in high risk settings, hospitals, LTC and TTC. Every where else it needs to be dropped, including schools.
Needless Covid testing for travellers who are fully vaccinated needs to be done away with at the sametime.

All they need to do is make masking optional. Leave it up to us to decide what is right for ourselves.

If there was someone taking bets, I’d bet that Ford will focus on ‘individuals making decisions about their safety themselves’ over the coming days in the hopes that his base will forget he governed for 2 years with the opposite approach.

I don’t recall hearing about hospitals and LTC homes since Ford started to announce this.

Moore only said that high risk settings “like” public transit and schools wouldn’t immidiately have restrictions lifted. But that was almost 2 weeks ago, and there was a lot of outcry about it. He’s since then said schools would have restrictions lifted, but didn’t mention transit.

 

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If there was someone taking bets, I’d bet that Ford will focus on ‘individuals making decisions about their safety themselves’ over the coming days in the hopes that his base will forget he governed for 2 years with the opposite approach.

I don’t recall hearing about hospitals and LTC homes since Ford started to announce this.

Moore only said that high risk settings “like” public transit and schools wouldn’t immidiately have restrictions lifted. But that was almost 2 weeks ago, and there was a lot of outcry about it. He’s since then said schools would have restrictions lifted, but didn’t mention transit.

As I recall, Moore back tracked on schools. First he wanted to remove masking at schools then wait a while before removing it everywhere else. A week later or something like that he said he wanted to remove masking at schools at the same time the Government drops masking for the greater population. Bet this is when Lecce said NO, I AM SCARED. Masking needs to stay at schools

 

[ShockNAwww]

“Ryan Imgrund is a well-respected biostatistician, both in the health and science community, and by every day citizens.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HA

Ryan is a high school teacher milking the last seconds of his 15 minutes of fame by manipulating / inventing case data to frighten suburban soccermoms into supporting him.

The guy is a total fraud.

OK. So you don’t like the guy. I get that from your trademark “hahahahahahahahahahahahaha” that you use so deftly to “win” here.

Imgrund continues to be quoted by CTV, iPolitics, Ottawa Citizen, and CBC.

Can you point to the coverage that uncovered the time(s( Imgrund misled people?

Or is this one of those “I don’t like his numbers, so he’s a liar” thing?

Either way, are there biostatisticians in Ontario you would recommend us follow instead?

 

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OK. So you don’t like the guy. I get that from your trademark “hahahahahahahahahahahahaha” that you use so deftly to “win” here.

Imgrund continues to be quoted by CTV, iPolitics, Ottawa Citizen, and CBC.

Can you point to the coverage that uncovered the time(s( Imgrund misled people?

Or is this one of those “I don’t like his numbers, so he’s a liar” thing?

Either way, are there biostatisticians in Ontario you would recommend us follow instead?

Imgrund argues with everyone that doesn’t agree with him. He picks fights with members of the media constantly and blocks anyone that calls him out on his BS.

You want a “biostatistician” recommendation I’ll give you a few.

@Golden_Pup
@rubiconcapital_
@EthicalSkeptic

You’re welcome.

 

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As I recall, Moore back tracked on schools. First he wanted to remove masking at schools then wait a while before removing it everywhere else. A week later or something like that he said he wanted to remove masking at schools at the same time the Government drops masking for the greater population. Bet this is when Lecce said NO, I AM SCARED. Masking needs to stay at schools

Maybe.

From Feb 17:

Ontario mask mandate will likely be reviewed in March, top doctor says | Globalnews.ca

"You have our assurance that we're going to review all measures, including masking, and we'll make the removal at a population level when it's the safest time."

globalnews.ca

He said the mandate will be reviewed for all settings, including public transit and schools.

Moore previously indicated that if the mask mandate is lifted for most public areas, it would likely remain in place for public transit and schools a bit longer.

Again on Thursday, he said masks could still be mandated for certain settings after being lifted for others.

From Feb. 25

Ontario's mask mandate could be lifted 'simultaneously' across most areas, including in schools

Ontario's top public health official says that he anticipates that the mask mandate will be lifted 'simultaneously' across most sectors when it is safe to do so, rather than on a piecemeal basis.

beta.ctvnews.ca

Quebec has announced a plan to lift the mask mandate in elementary and secondary school classrooms by March 14 en route to eventually scrapping it for other indoor public settings as well.

But during a briefing on Thursday Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Kieran Moore suggested that the province is unlikely to go down that road and will instead look to lift the mask mandate entirely, with exceptions likely to be made to certain high-risk settings like public transit and hospitals.

I’d be curious to learn how the science changed between Feb. 17 and Feb. 25. I suspect it didn’t.

 

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Imgrund argues with everyone that doesn’t agree with him. He picks fights with members of the media constantly and blocks anyone that calls him out on his BS.

You want a “biostatistician” recommendation I’ll give you a few.

@Golden_Pup
@rubiconcapital_
@EthicalSkeptic

You’re welcome.

Thanks!

I see @Golden_Pup has been quoted in such esteemed journalistic organizations as The Rebel, but nowhere else. I wonder why The Sun and National Post don’t use his stuff. Not a surprise I’ve never heard of him.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@rubiconcapital_ is a day trader with no biology or medical background.

@EthicalSkeptic doesn’t seem to have much Ontario content. And seems like a loon.

 

[SeaGirth]

What scares me is not Covid, Omicron, the unvaccinated or truckers horns but that people who think the “COVID restrictions” were ONLY about science and NOT politics can actually vote! That’s terrifying!

 

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Thanks!

I see @Golden_Pup has been quoted in such esteemed journalistic organizations as The Rebel, but nowhere else. I wonder why The Sun and National Post don’t use his stuff. Not a surprise I’ve never heard of him.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@rubiconcapital_ is a day trader with no biology or medical background.

@EthicalSkeptic doesn’t seem to have much Ontario content. And seems like a loon.

The first two are top notch data analysts. That’s what you asked for, wasn’t it? Data is data all day long.

Every single one of @Golden_Pup’s models DESTROYED the “expert” models, including Tam’s rocket ship. He embarrassed the OST.

Kelly Brown presented myocarditis data to TPH on numerous occasions, and is probably solely responsible for stopping Moderna in under 30’s.

As for @EthicalSkeptic he’s also been right, well ahead of the “experts.” He’s the one that traced Omicron’s lineage to pre Wuhan and proved that it was NOT a new mutation.

Ryan Imgrund is a high school science teacher.

 

[The Fox]

Meanwhile. The rest of the world is fine after dropping Covid mandates. Stop being lame Canada.

 

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Meanwhile. The rest of the world is fine after dropping Covid mandates. Stop being lame Canada.

No clue why in Canada we are afraid of our own shadows

Another case in point:

New York to lift schools mask mandate on Wednesday and indoor venues could follow
Governor Kathy Hochul and Mayor Eric Adams announce moves as Covid infections continue to fall dramatically


The mayor of New York City, Eric Adams announced on Sunday that a dramatic drop in coronavirus infections could lead to the lifting of vaccine mandates on restaurants, bars and theaters as soon as 7 March.

His announcement came shortly after the governor of New York state, Kathy Hochul, announced plans to lift the mask mandate on schools, effective Wednesday.

Adams said the city would also lift its mask mandate, which covers about 1 million schoolchildren in the largest US school system.

If the drop in cases continues, New York City could lift other measures as soon as 7 March, including proof of vaccinations at restaurants, bars, theaters and other public places.

“The day has come,” Hochul said. “Today, we are going to be announcing that we’ll be lifting the statewide mask requirement in schools.”

The governor’s move followed guidance from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that said most Americans can safely stop wearing masks, including students in schools.

“That is why I feel very confident that this is the time to lift the mask requirements,“ Hochul said.

Hochul said New York counties and cities could keep their own mandates and parents could still choose to send their kids to school in masks.

New York state has 2.7 million schoolchildren. The new rules also apply to children two years and older in childcare facilities. Hochul said Adams was consulted before her announcement.

 

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You read this sub forum and can’t figure out why people are too chicken shit to move on from their ineffective Covid comforts?

 

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... including schools.
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Considering masks are not having a (researched) detrimental impact on kids and Ford said on several occasions that schools are a hotbed of transmission....

Especially with younger kids, schools have always been a petri dish so having those kids unmasked in a crowded room for 5 hours a day gives me some concern. Most kids are fine after covid but I'm sore concerned about the household transmission that is seemingly the most common source.

If Ontario was really interested, there would be a thorough testing policy in schools so we could actually know how much transmission is happening and have that continue as masks are gradually phased out. Without any consistent access to testing, Ontario has to make lots of guesses about the current state of transmission. Despite limited testing, our case counts are still more than double the rate of the start of December and ICU cases are almost double of that same time. It shows we are imp[roving but from a scientific perspective, we're not out of the woods yet.

 

[basketcase]

As I recall, Moore back tracked on schools. First he wanted to remove masking at schools then wait a while before removing it everywhere else. A week later or something like that he said he wanted to remove masking at schools at the same time the Government drops masking for the greater population. Bet this is when Lecce said NO, I AM SCARED. Masking needs to stay at schools

Translation, Doug and party are busy watching the polling numbers and not the covid numbers.

 

[The Fox]

Considering masks are not having a (researched) detrimental impact on kids and Ford said on several occasions that schools are a hotbed of transmission....

Especially with younger kids, schools have always been a petri dish so having those kids unmasked in a crowded room for 5 hours a day gives me some concern. Most kids are fine after covid but I'm sore concerned about the household transmission that is seemingly the most common source.

If Ontario was really interested, there would be a thorough testing policy in schools so we could actually know how much transmission is happening and have that continue as masks are gradually phased out. Without any consistent access to testing, Ontario has to make lots of guesses about the current state of transmission. Despite limited testing, our case counts are still more than double the rate of the start of December and ICU cases are almost double of that same time. It shows we are imp[roving but from a scientific perspective, we're not out of the woods yet.

Mate. You have some real concerns that are beyond the boundaries of normal.

You keep talking about science???? From day ONE the science said the majority are fine. I don’t think you understand it. Nothing will stop transmission, no lockdowns, no vaccines, nothing.

Your last post is sooo irrational. Are you ok?

Wow. Your last post was nuts.

 

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Considering masks are not having a (researched) detrimental impact on kids and Ford said on several occasions that schools are a hotbed of transmission....

Especially with younger kids, schools have always been a petri dish so having those kids unmasked in a crowded room for 5 hours a day gives me some concern. Most kids are fine after covid but I'm sore concerned about the household transmission that is seemingly the most common source.

If Ontario was really interested, there would be a thorough testing policy in schools so we could actually know how much transmission is happening and have that continue as masks are gradually phased out. Without any consistent access to testing, Ontario has to make lots of guesses about the current state of transmission. Despite limited testing, our case counts are still more than double the rate of the start of December and ICU cases are almost double of that same time. It shows we are imp[roving but from a scientific perspective, we're not out of the woods yet.

Schools are not hotbed for transmission, no clue where you are getting this information from. Through out the whole pandemic, the young have largely not been impacted by Covid. This is why they have not been subject to masking and vaccines have not really been developed for them. Do not recall Ford ever saying once schools are a hotbed of transmission...if anything Ford is saying the TOTAL OPPOSITE.

As I recall, even though limited testing has been carried out the "science table" think 3 Million people in Ontario have had Covid. Been what, 12,000 dead, if you believe the BS numbers the Government spews out. Death rate is pretty low.

Most of the death's occurred in the elderly with pre-existing medical conditions... The vaccination rates for those over 60 in Canada is well into the high 90's. Not much more we can do for them now

 

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Mate. You have some real concerns that are beyond the boundaries of normal.

You keep talking about science???? From day ONE the science said the majority are fine. I don’t think you understand it. Nothing will stop transmission, no lockdowns, no vaccines, nothing.

Your last post is sooo irrational. Are you ok?

Wow. Your last post was nuts.

He’s been altered.