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Trump on Putin plan to recognize breakaway Ukraine regions: 'This is genius'

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Fact is, Putin made many overtures for peace leading up to this. With Ukraine poised to attack the rebels, and no one taking him seriously, he has been forced to preempt the attack. Ukraine will be yet another nation that trusted the west and lost everything.
How about not supporting them to begin with? Without Russian money and military in disguise, there will be no rebels
 

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I disagree. If Putin wants to take Kharkiv, the West will allow it without any serious consequences. The question is: when Putin wants to take Kharkiv? I'd say, he will save it for a few years and do it after 2025 to boost his popularity.
 

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I disagree. If Putin wants to take Kharkiv, the West will allow it without any serious consequences. The question is: when Putin wants to take Kharkiv? I'd say, he will save it for a few years and do it after 2025 to boost his popularity.
That gives the West 3 years to prepare and kick his ass.
 

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How about not supporting them to begin with? Without Russian money and military in disguise, there will be no rebels
Why do you think the President of Russia can stand back while ethnic Russians are oppressed and attacked on the border of Russia. Just 1 or 2 drunk canucks get killed in Mexico and its all over the press.
 
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Why do you think the President of Russia can stand back while ethnic Russians are oppressed and attacked on the border of Russia. Just 1 or 2 drunk canucks get killed in Mexico and its all over the press.
Even when they kill each other.
 

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I disagree. If Putin wants to take Kharkiv, the West will allow it without any serious consequences. The question is: when Putin wants to take Kharkiv? I'd say, he will save it for a few years and do it after 2025 to boost his popularity.
He learned his lesson in 2014. Get er all done. No need extend the water torture. Unless the West offers significant concessions (unlikely) I say he will take everything to the Dniper river at least.
 

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Apparently, the invasion of Ukraine will occur before the night is over according to the USA Government. Putin is not backing down and it is time for Trump to at least have the balls to start condemning Putin for a change!!
 

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Apparently, the invasion of Ukraine will occur before the night is over according to the USA Government. Putin is not backing down and it is time for Trump to at least have the balls to start condemning Putin for a change!!
If comrade Trump speaks ill of his master, no more Russian backed loans thru foreign banks. Let's face it, Vladimir is Trump's hero and Trump is Putin's fool.
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Apparently, the invasion of Ukraine will occur before the night is over according to the USA Government. Putin is not backing down and it is time for Trump to at least have the balls to start condemning Putin for a change!!
There is some question, apparently also among senior |Russian military and intelligence people, as to whether Putin is still a rational actor. That is the biggest risk.
 

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Why do you think the President of Russia can stand back while ethnic Russians are oppressed and attacked on the border of Russia. Just 1 or 2 drunk canucks get killed in Mexico and its all over the press.
On what do you base the statement that ethnic Russians are being oppressed and attacked by Ukrainians, other than Russian media?
 

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That gives the West 3 years to prepare and kick his ass.
Kick his ass how? He is in power for 20 years now, he annexed Krymea 8 years ago. West does not want to do anything drastic to kick his ass and non-drastic measure does not work.
 

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Apparently, the invasion of Ukraine will occur before the night is over according to the USA Government. Putin is not backing down and it is time for Trump to at least have the balls to start condemning Putin for a change!!
Yes, and the only thing U.S is willing to do about it is "strongly condemn". Hell, they do not even impose personal sanctions against Putin (at least it will be an important gesture).

And do not talk about Trump supporting Putin: it was Biden who added to Putin legitimacy by meeting with him and it is Biden who eased NS2 sanctions
 

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Yes, and the only thing U.S is willing to do about it is "strongly condemn". Hell, they do not even impose personal sanctions against Putin (at least it will be an important gesture).

And do not talk about Trump supporting Putin: it was Biden who added to Putin legitimacy by meeting with him and it is Biden who eased NS2 sanctions
The USA has imposed the toughest sanctions ever against Russia, and they have the backing of all the NATO and other EU Nations. Under trump the sanctions were just unilateral with other NATO Members not even consulted about it. But the sanctions now have included the NS2 as there is a legitimate reason to currently impose them. Trump's praise of Putin throughout his reign has really meant that Putin does have his monkey up and thinks that he is a "Genius" in how he is conducting himself!! Did You want the USA to send in troops on the ground in Ukraine to combat The Russians?? Sirens are now sounding in Ukraine as apparently the Russian troops have moved into the Donbass region!!
 

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The USA has imposed the toughest sanctions ever against Russia, and they have the backing of all the NATO and other EU Nations. Under trump the sanctions were just unilateral with other NATO Members not even consulted about it. But the sanctions now have included the NS2 as there is a legitimate reason to currently impose them. Trump's praise of Putin throughout his reign has really meant that Putin does have his monkey up and thinks that he is a "Genius" in how he is conducting himself!! Did You want the USA to send in troops on the ground in Ukraine to combat The Russians?? Sirens are now sounding in Ukraine as apparently the Russian troops have moved into the Donbass region!!
Toughest sanctions??? LOL. Toothless sanctions. The only real one is against NS2 that was in place under Trump before Biden lifted them. No real sanctions were imposed.
 
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On what do you base the statement that ethnic Russians are being oppressed and attacked by Ukrainians, other than Russian media?
The Donald says so, don't you know anything???
 

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The USA has imposed the toughest sanctions ever against Russia, and they have the backing of all the NATO and other EU Nations. Under trump the sanctions were just unilateral with other NATO Members not even consulted about it. But the sanctions now have included the NS2 as there is a legitimate reason to currently impose them. Trump's praise of Putin throughout his reign has really meant that Putin does have his monkey up and thinks that he is a "Genius" in how he is conducting himself!! Did You want the USA to send in troops on the ground in Ukraine to combat The Russians?? Sirens are now sounding in Ukraine as apparently the Russian troops have moved into the Donbass region!!
Who really cares what the most corrupt former president in history says ? I believe he called himself a genius also lol. Can you imagine if Trump had Spiro Agnew as VP? These two cons would have been unbeatable. Rudy as AG. Would have been legendary and democracy would be certainly dead in America
 
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