Tamara Lich has been denied bail

mandrill

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You realise that PPMs of both Quebec and Alberta are against the Emergency Act, right.
And also Moe in SK. Kenney and Moe will automatically oppose everything that the Libs in Ottawa do. Quebec is a throw in.
 

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^^^ As usual, the Conservatives have the worst (some might say best) timing imaginable.

They pull out the long knives and let O'Toole have it and now, not only are they are looking like a bunch of fools, but Trudeau is vulnerable.

But no, the conservatives don't even have a leader and nor could not run an election even if they wanted to.
 

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Soviet Union had the most democratic constitution. It is how the laws are read, twisted, and implemented that makes all the difference.
Also not a really valid comparison, not matter how you want to view it. The Soviet Union was formed through a violent revolution. They never implemented the full part of the constitution. When Trudeau Sr. used the war Measures Act, an act that did suspend our rights, things went back to normal within two weeks. This is a much smaller situation, and it will expire soon. And, my money is on that it will not be used again for a long time (as it should be). But, basically, the fault for all of this was the inaction of the Ottawa police and Doug Ford. If either of them showed leadership three weeks or so ago, this would have been a non-issue.

And, as I've said before, the lot of you having mini meltdowns over this are probably the same ones who would be demanding action if BLM or First Nations activists did something comparable.
 

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Exactly. It means that now courts are not fully unbiased and independent: instead of applying law in a consistent manner, they bias their decision toward the government will. One more step towards dictatorship.
If the courts are biased, then Lich can appeal or cite the judge for bias.

I'm hoping she does the latter, just for the sheer fucking bellylaugh!!
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I'm waiting to see if it will. My stance is it was fine to clear the streets but now they have in essence kept it as both an investigative tool and, according to both Blair and Freeland, as a deterent and "pre-emptive" tool on people THEY THINK may come back.

They crosses the line from emergency measure to authoritarian IMO. And the vague language suggests they would extend it over possible future protests.

And that is scary.
You realize that there were KKKonvoys in Calgary and Quebec City last weekend and many of the Ottawa "truckers" are holed up in rural lots just outside the city waiting for the state of emergency to end, just so they can drive straight back into Ottawa?

Sounds like JT has every reason to keep the EA in effect.
I was going to say basically what Mandril posted here. If these truckers wanted to take to the streets (on foot) and protest at Parliament, I'm all for it. Fill your boots. But, the thought of them rolling the semis back and blocking streets is a non-starter. I don't think Ottawa police would allow it this time around, and there is a really chance of violence. I'm talking tear gas, pepper spray and rubber bullets. Please remember, this veered from a peaceful, legal protest nearly from the get go.
 

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And also Moe in SK. Kenney and Moe will automatically oppose everything that the Libs in Ottawa do. Quebec is a throw in.
It was you who said that Canada still need Emergency Act because of Convoy in Quebec City and Calgary. I just pointed out that PPMs of these provinces are against the act (as well as most people living there as can be inferred by the Conservative and Block vote in the Parliament). Or will the Act now be used to put "non-liberal" provinces in place?
 

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Also not a really valid comparison, not matter how you want to view it. The Soviet Union was formed through a violent revolution. They never implemented the full part of the constitution. When Trudeau Sr. used the war Measures Act, an act that did suspend our rights, things went back to normal within two weeks. This is a much smaller situation, and it will expire soon. And, my money is on that it will not be used again for a long time (as it should be). But, basically, the fault for all of this was the inaction of the Ottawa police and Doug Ford. If either of them showed leadership three weeks or so ago, this would have been a non-issue.

And, as I've said before, the lot of you having mini meltdowns over this are probably the same ones who would be demanding action if BLM or First Nations activists did something comparable.
When did BLM did something comparable? I.e., stay in one place, put out a hot tub, and sign national anthem without breaking windows, setting buildings on fires, and looting? If they would have protested the same way - they would have had my support regardless of which flags they will be waving and what songs they will be singing. Again, no broken windows, setting building on fire, and looting - the should be allowed to protest as long as they want and dealt with through negotiations.
 

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When did BLM did something comparable? I.e., stay in one place, put out a hot tub, and sign national anthem without breaking windows, setting buildings on fires, and looting? If they would have protested the same way - they would have had my support regardless of which flags they will be waving and what songs they will be singing. Again, no broken windows, setting building on fire, and looting - the should be allowed to protest as long as they want and dealt with through negotiations.
🙋‍♂️ hellooOo...What part of "illegal occupancy" don't you understand? 🤦‍♂️
 

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🙋‍♂️ hellooOo...What part of "illegal occupancy" don't you understand? 🤦‍♂️
The part which was missing the looting arson and violence
The part which was missing the blocking of pipelines and railways
The part which was missing the burning of churches

None of which precipitated the emergencies act
 

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Hey, Dutch! I'm shocked that Lich's attorney didn't disqualify the judge for bias or file a complaint with the Judicial Counsel. Why do you think that attorney failed to do that?

JC can chime in too on this question? Looking forward to it.
That bias is likely worth another zero for her settlement when she sues Justin and the Govt of Canada
 
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silentkisser

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When did BLM did something comparable? I.e., stay in one place, put out a hot tub, and sign national anthem without breaking windows, setting buildings on fires, and looting? If they would have protested the same way - they would have had my support regardless of which flags they will be waving and what songs they will be singing. Again, no broken windows, setting building on fire, and looting - the should be allowed to protest as long as they want and dealt with through negotiations.
My point is they never did that. But, if they did, I suspect many people on this board would be demanding the government take similar action.

I have no problem with any group protesting. But this convoy became an occupation. They blocked roads. They harassed people. They honked their horns incessantly. They blocked international borders and disrupted trade, which has a significant trickle down to other businesses across Canada & the US. They called for the overthrow of our democratically elected government. The list goes on and on. The foreign funding was also worrisome, since it felt like outside influences were looking to cause as much disruption in our country as possible. Keep this in mind, there are probably things the government and police know that hasn't been made public (yet) that are serious and required they take action.

As I said earlier, the Ottawa police and Doug Ford were asleep at the switch when this started, and allowed it to fester into something more problematic as time went on. If either of these people did something, Trudeau would not have had to take these extraordinary actions. Never forget that.
 

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It was you who said that Canada still need Emergency Act because of Convoy in Quebec City and Calgary. I just pointed out that PPMs of these provinces are against the act (as well as most people living there as can be inferred by the Conservative and Block vote in the Parliament). Or will the Act now be used to put "non-liberal" provinces in place?
Because the Premiers know that Trudeau is going to solve the situation and essentially save their asses. So they can pretend to be "outraged" and protest and try and pick up anti-Ottawa votes and cred in their own provinces.
 

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That bias is likely worth another zero for her settlement when she sues Justin and the Govt of Canada
Keep dreaming, i think the only thing on her mind is her next bail hearing lol.
Hey, I don't mind a lawful protest and i agree everyone is entitled to their free speech, but her intent was laid out that a 6 year old would understand.
If you want to continue supporting a domestic terroist, then shame on you!
 

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Woman puts up $50K to help convoy leader Pat King get bail
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Pat King, a vocal leader of the so-called Freedom Convoy, was charged by Ottawa police on Saturday.
© The Real Pat King/Facebook Pat King, a vocal leader of the so-called Freedom Convoy, was charged by Ottawa police on Saturday.
One of the leaders of the three-week occupation in Ottawa, Pat King, is appearing at a bail hearing Tuesday as a woman has pledged to put up $50,000 to ensure King won't violate his bail conditions.
King, an Alberta resident, faces four charges related to his involvement in the occupation including mischief, counselling to commit the offence of mischief, counselling to commit the offence of disobey court order, and counselling to commit the offence of obstruct police.
His arrest was captured during a livestream and broadcast to thousands of people.

Ottawa police had previously warned protesters they would face charges or fines if they did not stop blocking streets or assisting others in blocking streets.
At Tuesday's bail hearing, fellow Albertan Kerry Komix was put forward as King's proposed surety, which means she would put money forward on behalf of King and encourage him to maintain conditions of bail.
Surety met King 4 weeks ago
She pledged $50,000 of equity on her home, roughtly half its value, against King's bail despite the fact she has only known him for about four weeks, Komix told the court.
Komix, a retired bus driver who has worked with children with special needs, says she joined King and others to travel to Ottawa for the so-called Freedom Convoy, which became a three-week occupation of downtown Ottawa.
She told court she would assist in administering justice against King, and was willing to monitor his digital and day-to-day activity.
"My home is where he's going to be. It's kind of a jail for him if you want to call it that," said Komix, who also committed to ensuring King attends court hearings in Ontario while serving bail in Alberta.
Videos shown of King's racist remarks
Throughout the hearing, King sat in a prisoner's box wearing a grey hoodie and sweatpants. Prior to cross-examination of Komix, the court requested King put his mask on properly. He apologized, and told court he had been drinking water and forgot to slide his mask back on.
Crown lawyer Moiz Karimjee showed court some of King's videos posted online where he makes disparaging remarks about certain races and encourages protesters to come to Ottawa, including the occupation "red zone."
"You are allowed to be up on [Parliament] Hill," he told supporters, while encouraging them to use Uber to avoid police checkpoints set-up to keep protesters out of downtown.
In one video, King is seen mocking specific ethnicities. In another, he talks about the Anglo-Saxon race "being the one with the strongest bloodlines."
King also said in another video shown in court: "Trudeau, someone is going to make you catch a bullet one day day."
Surety claims videos altered
Komix told court she was not aware of King's criminal record, which includes convictions for possession of narcotics and possession of the proceeds from crime, until a few days ago.
"I do know that's not the person that I know," Komix said of the videos. "I know he loves everyone and does not discriminate, that's the person I know."
Before breaking for lunch Tuesday, much of the debate between lawyers centred on Komix's understanding of the protest's legality.
"My knowledge is, when we were coming down here there was communication with police to give us streets that we could go down," she said.
Cross examination of Komix continues Tuesday afternoon.
Earlier Tuesday, protest co-organizer Tamara Lich was denied bail, while late last week fellow organizer Chris Barber was released on bail and was ordered to leave Ottawa.
$50K wasted on POS.
 
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