Tamara Lich has been denied bail

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It was the decision of the Judge for her being denied bail, has nothing to do with JT or the Liberals.
Exactly. It means that now courts are not fully unbiased and independent: instead of applying law in a consistent manner, they bias their decision toward the government will. One more step towards dictatorship.
 
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Dutch Oven

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Your right, when those group protested, they were met by police who would never have allowed them to block traffic for three weeks.
How can you be this wrong?

Railway blockade - 18 days and FAR greater commercial impact (and public health as well).
Pipeline blockades - off and on for over a year, as long as months at a time
Caledonia blockade - years

And, let me remind you, in relation to your other recent post about courts restoring freedoms. The charter is still in effect. We have lost nothing. Everything will return to normal in 30 days. People will still be allowed to protest, but not block roads and bridges.
The Charter is already out the window since the emergency orders ban protesting at Parliament Hill, regardless of whether there would be any unlawful conduct in relation to such protests. The initial orders even prohibited citizens from coming to Ottawa to protest.

You're just wrong about the content of the orders, nevermind about their use for tracking, freezing bank accounts and other assets, all without a court order. Due process is Charter right, in case you didn't know.
 
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Don't know how you can make this argument when not only did Parliament approve the use of the Emergencies Act (and would have regardless if it was or wasn't a confidence vote), and Lich got a bail hearing. If there was no due process, she'd be thrown in the hole and we wouldn't hear from her.
Small steps leading to ... totalitarian state.
 

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Your right, when those group protested, they were met by police who would never have allowed them to block traffic for three weeks.

And, let me remind you, in relation to your other recent post about courts restoring freedoms. The charter is still in effect. We have lost nothing. Everything will return to normal in 30 days. People will still be allowed to protest, but not block roads and bridges.
Soviet Union had the most democratic constitution. It is how the laws are read, twisted, and implemented that makes all the difference.
 

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Your right, when those group protested, they were met by police who would never have allowed them to block traffic for three weeks.

And, let me remind you, in relation to your other recent post about courts restoring freedoms. The charter is still in effect. We have lost nothing. Everything will return to normal in 30 days. People will still be allowed to protest, but not block roads and bridges.
I'm waiting to see if it will. My stance is it was fine to clear the streets but now they have in essence kept it as both an investigative tool and, according to both Blair and Freeland, as a deterent and "pre-emptive" tool on people THEY THINK may come back.

They crosses the line from emergency measure to authoritarian IMO. And the vague language suggests they would extend it over possible future protests.

And that is scary.
 

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I'm waiting to see if it will. My stance is it was fine to clear the streets but now they have in essence kept it as both an investigative tool and, according to both Blair and Freeland, as a deterent and "pre-emptive" tool on people THEY THINK may come back.
They crosses the line from emergency measure to authoritarian IMO. And the vague language suggests they would extend it over possible future protests.
And that is scary.
You realize that there were KKKonvoys in Calgary and Quebec City last weekend and many of the Ottawa "truckers" are holed up in rural lots just outside the city waiting for the state of emergency to end, just so they can drive straight back into Ottawa?

Sounds like JT has every reason to keep the EA in effect.
 

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Woman puts up $50K to help convoy leader Pat King get bail
CBC/Radio-Canada 37 mins ago

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Pat King, a vocal leader of the so-called Freedom Convoy, was charged by Ottawa police on Saturday.
© The Real Pat King/Facebook Pat King, a vocal leader of the so-called Freedom Convoy, was charged by Ottawa police on Saturday.
One of the leaders of the three-week occupation in Ottawa, Pat King, is appearing at a bail hearing Tuesday as a woman has pledged to put up $50,000 to ensure King won't violate his bail conditions.
King, an Alberta resident, faces four charges related to his involvement in the occupation including mischief, counselling to commit the offence of mischief, counselling to commit the offence of disobey court order, and counselling to commit the offence of obstruct police.
His arrest was captured during a livestream and broadcast to thousands of people.

Ottawa police had previously warned protesters they would face charges or fines if they did not stop blocking streets or assisting others in blocking streets.
At Tuesday's bail hearing, fellow Albertan Kerry Komix was put forward as King's proposed surety, which means she would put money forward on behalf of King and encourage him to maintain conditions of bail.
Surety met King 4 weeks ago
She pledged $50,000 of equity on her home, roughtly half its value, against King's bail despite the fact she has only known him for about four weeks, Komix told the court.
Komix, a retired bus driver who has worked with children with special needs, says she joined King and others to travel to Ottawa for the so-called Freedom Convoy, which became a three-week occupation of downtown Ottawa.
She told court she would assist in administering justice against King, and was willing to monitor his digital and day-to-day activity.
"My home is where he's going to be. It's kind of a jail for him if you want to call it that," said Komix, who also committed to ensuring King attends court hearings in Ontario while serving bail in Alberta.
Videos shown of King's racist remarks
Throughout the hearing, King sat in a prisoner's box wearing a grey hoodie and sweatpants. Prior to cross-examination of Komix, the court requested King put his mask on properly. He apologized, and told court he had been drinking water and forgot to slide his mask back on.
Crown lawyer Moiz Karimjee showed court some of King's videos posted online where he makes disparaging remarks about certain races and encourages protesters to come to Ottawa, including the occupation "red zone."
"You are allowed to be up on [Parliament] Hill," he told supporters, while encouraging them to use Uber to avoid police checkpoints set-up to keep protesters out of downtown.
In one video, King is seen mocking specific ethnicities. In another, he talks about the Anglo-Saxon race "being the one with the strongest bloodlines."
King also said in another video shown in court: "Trudeau, someone is going to make you catch a bullet one day day."
Surety claims videos altered
Komix told court she was not aware of King's criminal record, which includes convictions for possession of narcotics and possession of the proceeds from crime, until a few days ago.
"I do know that's not the person that I know," Komix said of the videos. "I know he loves everyone and does not discriminate, that's the person I know."
Before breaking for lunch Tuesday, much of the debate between lawyers centred on Komix's understanding of the protest's legality.
"My knowledge is, when we were coming down here there was communication with police to give us streets that we could go down," she said.
Cross examination of Komix continues Tuesday afternoon.
Earlier Tuesday, protest co-organizer Tamara Lich was denied bail, while late last week fellow organizer Chris Barber was released on bail and was ordered to leave Ottawa.
 

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You realize that there were KKKonvoys in Calgary and Quebec City last weekend and many of the Ottawa "truckers" are holed up in rural lots just outside the city waiting for the state of emergency to end, just so they can drive straight back into Ottawa?

Sounds like JT has every reason to keep the EA in effect.
You realise that PPMs of both Quebec and Alberta are against the Emergency Act, right.
 

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Maybe. Still a provincial appointment.
So this judge is a previous Liberal candidate, and Kirk looks like a fool for distrusting her ruling?

Hilarious! You never disappoint!
 
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Exactly. It means that now courts are not fully unbiased and independent: instead of applying law in a consistent manner, they bias their decision toward the government will. One more step towards dictatorship.
Jesus...🤦‍♂️
Arrogant at its finest. A little scratch and the world is falling apart.
If your so unhappy then leave or sue the governement, talk is cheap. Oh wait, mr conspiracy the courts are under the liberal cloud
 

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I'm waiting to see if it will. My stance is it was fine to clear the streets but now they have in essence kept it as both an investigative tool and, according to both Blair and Freeland, as a deterent and "pre-emptive" tool on people THEY THINK may come back.

They crosses the line from emergency measure to authoritarian IMO. And the vague language suggests they would extend it over possible future protests.

And that is scary.
yes

The left are in such a hurry to vilify fellow citizens that they have not figured out they have lost rights here as well

I use to believe totalitarianism was a corrupt leader against a united public
Instead it is playing out as a corrupt leader intent on creating division within the public

Currently freedoms are only for Canadians with "acceptable views" as judged by the ideologue Justin Trudeau

Block a pipeline, burn churches, chop up a Fossil Fuel work camp with axes or block a railway ? No problem, Justin will get you some taxpayer cash as a bonus
Cause some traffic congestion and honk your horn in Ottawa ? , Justin will declare an emergency have you arrested and freeze your bank account

Recall when he said " A Canadian, is a Canadian, is a Canadian" right after handing millions to a killer?

Having this moron assume more power is a very dangerous situation for all Canadians
 

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Jesus...🤦‍♂️
Arrogant at its finest. A little scratch and the world is falling apart.
If your so unhappy then leave or sue the governement, talk is cheap. Oh wait, mr conspiracy the courts are under the liberal cloud
DO NOT EVER tell a fellow Canadian to leave his country
What is wrong with you?
 

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It's too bad she wasn't charged with one gun crime or another in Toronto. For sure she would have made bail.

Here's an article from 2019 where former Chief of Police Mark Saunders laments how easy it is for gun violence criminals to make bail in Toronto. (I know, I know, it's society's fault that these guys committed gun crime. It's my fault that I don't understand the root causes of how they have been subjugated their entire lives. I digress.)

But heaven help you if you dare question the smarmy douche Justin Trudeau.
 
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So this judge is a previous Liberal candidate, and Kirk looks like a fool for distrusting her ruling?

Hilarious! You never disappoint!
When the Liberal becomes a judge, that individual experiences an epiphany like the new Baptists and all the prejudices and politics are set aside. 😆
 

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So this judge is a previous Liberal candidate, and Kirk looks like a fool for distrusting her ruling?
Hilarious! You never disappoint!
Hey, Dutch! I'm shocked that Lich's attorney didn't disqualify the judge for bias or file a complaint with the Judicial Counsel. Why do you think that attorney failed to do that?

JC can chime in too on this question? Looking forward to it.
 
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