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WAR IMMINENT:Russian commanders given instructions to attack Ukraine

six_pac

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The US has not had to contend with attacking a strong tier 1 military in a long time. They were defeated in Afghanistan most recently. If they attacked a tier 1 power like Russia, their carrier groups would not be able to get into strike range without being sunk. It would not be pretty. Best to not think about it
I agree with you, USA or even NATO is not capable of invading Russia, but that is not their goal, they want to Ruin it economically, and cause an jprising, and change of power, where they will be calling thw shots, like they are in Europe, western Europe is just a US proxy.

so all I am saying is that USA is currently a military Behemoth, that Russian and China combined, cant even hope to tackle, Russian and Chinese Navies Dwarf the US Navy in numbers and technical capabilities.
 

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No, the difference between Russian and Ukrainian is much greater then between French and Quebequa. There are lots of very similar words, but still, it is not a dialect. All Ukrainians (except in some villages) know Russian though. Any Russian can understand written Ukrainian (about 90% of the text, at least), but understanding will be less for regular-speed monologue. I believe, both languages were the same about 1000 years ago when "Russia" was mostly on the current Ukrainian territory, but I am not an expert in my own country history, so, I may be wrong.
Listen all I am saying is that it is the same language, I really dont care if you call it Russian or Ukranian, the two are the same ppl, call them whatever you want, If it makes you feel any better you can say that all Russians are in essence Ukranians, which they are , and the two have much more in common, than any Ukranian or Russian will ever have with the west.

I mean no one can understan spoken Newfaneese, but it is still considered english LoL
 

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I agree with you, USA or even NATO is not capable of invading Russia, but that is not their goal, they want to Ruin it economically, and cause an jprising, and change of power, where they will be calling thw shots, like they are in Europe, western Europe is just a US proxy.

so all I am saying is that USA is currently a military Behemoth, that Russian and China combined, cant even hope to tackle, Russian and Chinese Navies Dwarf the US Navy in numbers and technical capabilities.
Dude, your entire post is nonsense. But the idea that the Russian and Chinese navies are larger and more advanced than the USN is silly. Just give up. You're nowhere near the truth, even on the simple, basic stuff.
 
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Dude, your entire post is nonsense. But the idea that the Russian and Chinese navies are larger and more advanced than the USN is silly. Just give up. You're nowhere near the truth, even on the simple, basic stuff.
If you have actually read my post, you would have seen that I have stated completely opposite, that combined Chinese and Russian Navies are not even close to the US Navy...

But qhy bother reading when you can blindly jump to conclusions LoL
 

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I agree with you, USA or even NATO is not capable of invading Russia, but that is not their goal, they want to Ruin it economically, and cause an jprising, and change of power, where they will be calling thw shots, like they are in Europe, western Europe is just a US proxy.

so all I am saying is that USA is currently a military Behemoth, that Russian and China combined, cant even hope to tackle, Russian and Chinese Navies Dwarf the US Navy in numbers and technical capabilities.
Numbers yes, technical capabilities not really. Russia has superior anti-ship missiles. Their nuclear subs are extremely good. Russia also has aviation missiles that could make things very dangerous for the USN

Yes the US is trying to ruin Russia or contain it. But by he lame sanctions they just imposed, its pretty clear they cannot do so without causing a massive global depression .
 
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Numbers yes, technical capabilities not really. Russia has superior anti-ship missiles. Their nuclear subs are extremely good. Russia also has aviation missiles that could make things very dangerous for the USN

Yes the US is trying to ruin Russia or contain it. But by he lame sanctions they just imposed, its pretty clear they cannot do so without causing a massive global depression .
I think the Germans have to be real careful. They are closing Nord stream II.

What is an "accident" in Ukraine stopped the gas flowing to Germany?
 

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Listen all I am saying is that it is the same language, I really dont care if you call it Russian or Ukranian, the two are the same ppl, call them whatever you want, If it makes you feel any better you can say that all Russians are in essence Ukranians, which they are , and the two have much more in common, than any Ukranian or Russian will ever have with the west.

I mean no one can understan spoken Newfaneese, but it is still considered english LoL
Just for the sake of clarity: Although there are lots of migration between Ukraine and Russia, the language is still significantly different. Note just a dialect. Think like Spanish and Portuguese.
 
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I think the Germans have to be real careful. They are closing Nord stream II.

What is an "accident" in Ukraine stopped the gas flowing to Germany?
This is just another virtue signalling. They will "open" it in a few months (or sooner if needed). Money is more important then democracy.
 

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According to experts, Russia's military is not as strong as the US's, and would be soundly defeated in a head to head matchup. However, it goes on to say that today wars are rarely fought head to head, and that there are strategic advantages that Russia would eimploy to make the match much more even. It would not be a wipeout by the US.



Russia remains weak, according to many traditional criteria. But it is now developing some key technologies, new fighting tactics and a brazen geopolitical strategy that is

aggressively undermining America's 25-year claim to being the only truly global superpower. The result: Russia is unexpectedly re-emerging as America's chief military rival.
 

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According to experts, Russia's military is not as strong as the US's, and would be soundly defeated in a head to head matchup. However, it goes on to say that today wars are rarely fought head to head, and that there are strategic advantages that Russia would eimploy to make the match much more even. It would not be a wipeout by the US.
In an all out war between two nuclear powers, there would be only losers.
 

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I think the Germans have to be real careful. They are closing Nord stream II.

What is an "accident" in Ukraine stopped the gas flowing to Germany?
They are "suspending it" only lol. I think after Scholtz visited Putin, the decision was sealed. Putin saw right through his empty suit and decided the Germans were not gonna push for Minsk to be implemented nor do anything about preventing Ukraine from joining NATO. So he pushed the go button. The lame US sanctions demonstrate that Bidens hands are tied. If he implements full sanctions, inflation explodes and a massive global recession will set in resulting in election slaughter.
 

mandrill

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Russia, or bolshevik Russia to be exact already gave Ukraine the Ukraine LoL Ukraine never existed in this form before.. but it is semantics anyway, Ukranians and Russians are same ppl who speak same language( different dialect does not constitue a language)

So call them all Russians or all Ukranians rhey are one and the same, sharing DNA, Culture and beleifs.

The war between the two is just retarded.
Ukrainian and Russian are two quite different languages. They even have alphabet differences. I tried to learn them both.

Ukraine was a province of Poland for several centuries, as was Belarus. Then it was independent. It was absorbed by the Grand Duchy of Muscovy in the late 1600's. It was briefly independent again after 1917 and then split between Poland and the USSR. USSR only acquired all Ukraine in 1945. Ukraine had an armed guerilla movement against Stalin for a while, before they were hunted down and killed.

Much of Western Ukraine is Catholic. That's the Poland connection.

Ukraine is culturally different from Russia. Ask any Ukrainian-Canadian and they'll explain the differences.

Most Ukrainians are wary of Russia, in part because of Stalin and the Holodymyr.

You know dick-all about this. Go read some books.
 
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I think we're just seeing the first wave of sanctions. I read the UK is putting sanctions on five Russian banks, and there is some talk of expelling Russian Oligarchs. Not sure it that will actually happen, but we'll see.

I think the US has a hacking capability that they haven't really shown offensively before. I suspect that if they really wanted to fuck Russia up, they could. Russia allows "independent" hackers to fuck around, like the surge in ransomware attacks. But, I think if push came to show, the US could really do a number on both Russia and China. Not saying they wouldn't feel a lot of pain as well, so there is a good chance that neither side really allows their team to really go off...
 

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If you have actually read my post, you would have seen that I have stated completely opposite, that combined Chinese and Russian Navies are not even close to the US Navy...

But qhy bother reading when you can blindly jump to conclusions LoL
so all I am saying is that USA is currently a military Behemoth, that Russian and China combined, cant even hope to tackle, Russian and Chinese Navies Dwarf the US Navy in numbers and technical capabilities.

This is what you wrote. You obviously typoed somewhere there as your first phrase and second phrase say completely different things.
Typos are an annoying female dog and my greatest weakness... after cake.
 
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According to experts, Russia's military is not as strong as the US's, and would be soundly defeated in a head to head matchup. However, it goes on to say that today wars are rarely fought head to head, and that there are strategic advantages that Russia would eimploy to make the match much more even. It would not be a wipeout by the US.



Russia remains weak, according to many traditional criteria. But it is now developing some key technologies, new fighting tactics and a brazen geopolitical strategy that is

aggressively undermining America's 25-year claim to being the only truly global superpower. The result: Russia is unexpectedly re-emerging as America's chief military rival.
First of all it will never be US vs Russia, Even the US doesn't have the capacity to form a bridgehead on another contantent of sufficent size to take on Russia. It would be the US, and NATO vs Russia. In which case Russia goes splat.

Also they have been saying Russia is stronk since 1945 but it turns out it was never true. Colour me skeptical on this Russian key technologies and new fighting tactics until we actually see something in action. Otherwise, meh. The US not only can haz tech, they can also afford to build it in numbers far beyond Russia. Any dreams of super ninja Russian tech or fighting tactics enabling to to even remotely stand to the US is kinda up there with the V rockets and the Maus turning the war for Germany in WWII. Not gonna happen, not gonna, nu guh.

The only real advantage that Russia has is that the West are a bunch of pussy ass bitches with enough people in power who think sanctions and not sending weapons is the way to go. A invertible firth column. However if the West does decide to throw down, faggetabout it.
 
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NotADcotor

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In an all out war between two nuclear powers, there would be only losers.
Chuck Norris would still win. But then again, he also declares checkmate before the first move in chess.
 
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Chuck Norris would still win. But then again, he also declares checkmate before the first move in chess.
When God sneezes, the angels say Chuck bless you.
 
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