You chose 2001 because you are using dishonest cherry picking.
Why are you even debating this now?
You've already admitted that the planet is warming just as much as the IPCC projected.
Are you now calling yourself a liar?
Frankfooter's posts from 2015 show the IPCC's predictions of global warming were spectacularly wrong
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Why are you even debating this now?
You've already admitted that the planet is warming just as much as the IPCC projected.
Are you now calling yourself a liar?
Here's another calculation that avoids El Nino and La Nina.
If you go back 25 years, the NASA graph shows a temperature increase from 0.33ºC in 1996 to 0.83ºC at the end of 2021, an increase of 0.2ºC per decade.
That's only half of the 0.4ºC "median" prediction and only one-third of the predicted 0.6ºC that was to come from the now-realized increase in fossil fuels.
It's also only half of the 0.4ºC per decade prediction that Frankfooter said in 2015 "look accurate."
If you go back 25 years, the NASA graph shows a temperature increase from 0.33ºC in 1996 to 0.83ºC at the end of 2021, an increase of 0.2ºC per decade.
That's only half of the 0.4ºC "median" prediction and only one-third of the predicted 0.6ºC that was to come from the now-realized increase in fossil fuels.
It's also only half of the 0.4ºC per decade prediction that Frankfooter said in 2015 "look accurate."
If both of the first two posts were "correct," that means Frankfooter's calculation is that 0.2ºC x 2.5 = 1ºC
That's what I said.
Hogwash.
I was completely transparent: I chose 2001 to avoid having the calculations distorted by El Nino and La Nina.
If you prefer the 25-year record that shows warming of 0.2ºC per decade, that's fine with me. It still shows the IPCC's predictions have been spectacularly wrong.
In fact, it's only half of the predicted 1ºC per 25 years that you said in 2015 "look accurate:" https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/cli...on-a-warmer-planet.543407/page-2#post-5394609
You keep posting this bullshit claim (in various threads) that I've said the IPCC projections were correct - and then you question why I'm debating it.
You've answered your own question.
I'm debating it to reaffirm what I have actually said - and what I've always said: that the IPCC's predictions continue to be spectacularly wrong.
And for added fun, your assertion that the IPCC was correct about a 4ºC temperature increase this century is also wrong based on the observed data to date.
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This was Movie-fan's take in 2015:
So no warming for more than 18 Years??
Denying it than according to "Satellite" data"? Which satellite data??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8511670.stm
So no warming for more than 18 Years??
Denying it than according to "Satellite" data"? Which satellite data??
Cherry picking dates because those are the only ones that give you those numbers?
Is that all you've got?
So lame.
You cherry picked those numbers because if you use any others your argument is bullshit.
Pick 1999 and its 0.3ºC a decade
Pick 2000 and its the same.
Its really lame all this cherry picking.
Why are you even debating this now?
You've already admitted that the planet is warming just as much as the IPCC projected.
Are you now calling yourself a liar?
You better take it up with Amnesty International and those Israeli politicians that agree with Him:
Amnesty says Israel is an apartheid state. Many Israeli politicians agree.
Amnesty says Israel is an apartheid state. Many Israeli politicians agree | Chris McGreal
While some in Washington DC and US media decry Amnesty’s conclusions, it’s a different story among some Israeli leaders
www.theguardian.com
But are You in denial with respect to Climate Change and well as the Predictions that were in line to what he stated?
I believe he is an editor for the Guardian.......He quotes it almost verbatim.
No. Climate Change is happening....just not as exaggerated as you want it to be...You better take it up with Amnesty International and those Israeli politicians that agree with Him:
Amnesty says Israel is an apartheid state. Many Israeli politicians agree.
Amnesty says Israel is an apartheid state. Many Israeli politicians agree | Chris McGreal
While some in Washington DC and US media decry Amnesty’s conclusions, it’s a different story among some Israeli leaders
But are You in denial with respect to Climate Change and well as the Predictions that were in line to what he stated?
So the projection was made in 2015 and a little more than 6 years ago… and you claim it is nearly a quater century.
I’m not sure what the correct answer on this but just not sure how can you look at a projection in 2015, and then include data from 15 years earlier to analyze how they are doing on that. You would need to look at 2015 to 2021.
I’m not sure what the correct answer on this but just not sure how can you look at a projection in 2015, and then include data from 15 years earlier to analyze how they are doing on that. You would need to look at 2015 to 2021.
You caught me, really that's my full time gig.
They pay me to post here, mostly, of course.
You should check the reviews I do for them....
There are lots of models out.
You can start with Exxon's predictions in the 1980's, which are pretty close to what we're seeing now.
James Hansen did a back of the envelope calc around then that stands up.
Most of the modelling is now over 20 years old, so you can go back and check to see how they've held up and as moviefan noted, they've been quite accurate.
1999: 0.38ºC
2021: 0.85ºC
Global Surface Temperature | NASA Global Climate Change
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According to Frankfooter, a difference of 0.47ºC over 22 years is "0.3ºC a decade."
?????
In fact, the actual per-decade amount using 1999 as the starting point is only about one-third of the IPCC's predicted 0.6ºC per decade increase due to record levels of emissions.
Emissions hit record high | United Nations
The global slowdown from the COVID-19 pandemic has not curbed rising levels of greenhouse gases, said the World Meteorological Organization in releasing its latest WMO Greenhouse Gas Bulletin. Carbon dioxide levels have pushed passed another record threshold, after rising in 2019 at a rate...
Indeed, it's not even close to the 0.4ºC prediction that was based on emissions well below the current levels.
The spectacularly wrong predictions were made in 2001.
Warming could be worst in 10,000 years
An international group of scientists has confirmed the worst fears of environmentalists: the Earth's atmosphere could soar by almost 6C by 2100 - a rise unprecedented in the past 10,000 years.
www.theguardian.com
It was in 2015 that Frankfooter attempted to defend the spectacularly wrong predictions.
Who is exaggerating it, when one is going by the real stats? It has been posted several times. We know that once upon a time according to those on the right, there was "No global warming", and it was going to be only a "Cycle". But then it all changed when the facts were out and now it is changed to just a "minor" warm up and nothing to do with Human involvement, but just "Nature". Hilarious!!
But You were the one that stated that there was "No Warming" for more than 18 Years according to the Moviefan Satellite.The spectacularly wrong predictions were made in 2001.
Warming could be worst in 10,000 years
An international group of scientists has confirmed the worst fears of environmentalists: the Earth's atmosphere could soar by almost 6C by 2100 - a rise unprecedented in the past 10,000 years.
It was in 2015 that Frankfooter attempted to defend the spectacularly wrong predictions.
Does that satellite need to be recalibrated?
