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I immigrated to Canada as an adult. Still I cannot find the "sacrifice" of Terry Fox
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It's not necessarily a sacrifice. He is someone who is not partisan. His foundation was angry that these yahoos put political messages and an upside down flag for a cause that Fox likely wouldn't have supported. Fox is a national icon and hero. He attempted to run a marathon of hope (literally a marathon per day) on one leg to raise money for cancer research. He went from Newfoundland all the way to Thunder Bay, until his cancer spread so much that he couldn't continue.

Basically, many people feel that tampering with his image is wrong and, well, disgusting.
 
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silentkisser said:
It's not necessarily a sacrifice. He is someone who is not partisan. His foundation was angry that these yahoos put political messages and an upside down flag for a cause that Fox likely wouldn't have supported. Fox is a national icon and hero. He attempted to run a marathon of hope (literally a marathon per day) on one leg to raise money for cancer research. He went from Newfoundland all the way to Thunder Bay, until his cancer spread so much that he couldn't continue.

Basically, many people feel that tampering with his image is wrong and, well, disgusting.
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It was a sacrifice of his body while he was still in recovery to raise money for health care research into cancer for the public good.
The diametric opposite of a bunch of whiny anti vaxxers demanding the freedom to spread the pandemic wherever they want with no restrictions.
 
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I like this one. Too busy to showcase his socks? He is PM, and it is his job to talk to the citizens. And it is his job to figure out how to start the dialogue. People are angry for a reason and this reason and he knows what the reason is. No he needs to figure ut what to do, not just ignore the protest or even worse, use the force. He is Canadian leader, not a leader of Russia.
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Here's the thing, this is a movement that goes against public health recommendations designed to blunt the spread of a deadly disease. Their MOU is totally unrealistic, and is calling for the democratically elected government to be overthrown. What started off as a protest against have transborder truckers be vaxxed so to avoid quarantine was misguided....since the US was enforcing a similar rule. So, even if Ottawa wanted to change this, this small group of truckers would still be ineligible to cross.

Then, there are their tactics. Blocking roads/highways and honking all the time in residential zones is not really a great way to win support. People are angry about a lot of things the government does. It doesn't give them the right to do things like this. I can almost guarantee you that many of the people supporting these protests were calling from the RCMP to crack skulls when the First Nations blockaded rail lines and highways.

So, I don't think the PM has a responsibility to speak with them. He doesn't have a responsibility to speak with BLM protesters either. But there is a difference between them that you likely won't agree with. BLM is talking about historic issues where POC communities have been marginalized because of the colour of their skin. Truckers are just facing the consequences for decisions they made.
 
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silentkisser said:
Here's the thing, this is a movement that goes against public health recommendations designed to blunt the spread of a deadly disease. Their MOU is totally unrealistic, and is calling for the democratically elected government to be overthrown. What started off as a protest against have transborder truckers be vaxxed so to avoid quarantine was misguided....since the US was enforcing a similar rule. So, even if Ottawa wanted to change this, this small group of truckers would still be ineligible to cross.

Then, there are their tactics. Blocking roads/highways and honking all the time in residential zones is not really a great way to win support. People are angry about a lot of things the government does. It doesn't give them the right to do things like this. I can almost guarantee you that many of the people supporting these protests were calling from the RCMP to crack skulls when the First Nations blockaded rail lines and highways.

So, I don't think the PM has a responsibility to speak with them. He doesn't have a responsibility to speak with BLM protesters either. But there is a difference between them that you likely won't agree with. BLM is talking about historic issues where POC communities have been marginalized because of the colour of their skin. Truckers are just facing the consequences for decisions they made.
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The next to be turfed after O'Toole will be chief Sloly in Ottawa, not Trudeau.

The Ontario Health Coalition wants this investigated in a serious way, they have some big clout.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1490410769900621827
 
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Several people arrested for bringing gas to 'Freedom Convoy' demonstrators in Ottawa, police say
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Several people arrested for bringing gas to 'Freedom Convoy' demonstrators in Ottawa, police say

Demonstrators have been using vehicles, wagons and sleds to transport gasoline cans and propane canisters to trucks inside the 'red zone' around Parliament Hill.
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It's a start but still, they're not leaving. Ottawa police fucked up and didn't prepare, just like the Capitol Police on Jan 6. "Oh, it's just a bunch of right-wing extremists, it will be peaceful". Ottawa police chief should step down.
 
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It's a start but still, they're not leaving. Ottawa police fucked up and didn't prepare, just like the Capitol Police on Jan 6. "Oh, it's just a bunch of right-wing extremists, it will be peaceful". Ottawa police chief should step down.
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Correct. One would think a police department in a national capital would be prepared for all kind of demonstrations.
 
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Latest is 20 protesters are arrested and over 500 tickets have now been issued. This is just the beginning!!
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Hurray! The problem isn't unjustified Covid restrictions, it's truckers! You must be proud of your jackboots today! How happy are you on a scale of 1 (crack a few trucker heads) to 10 (disappear the political dissidents)?
 
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Dutch Oven said:
Hurray! The problem isn't unjustified Covid restrictions, it's truckers! You must be proud of your jackboots today! How happy are you on a scale of 1 (crack a few trucker heads) to 10 (disappear the political dissidents)?
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This damn blockade needed to end!! The restrictions were 100% justified!! The more tickets and arrests means that the law is being upheld and a bunch of loonies need to adhere to the law or pay for it. As usual bud plug tries to defend the anarchists and those breaking the law. Not surprising. If the Indigenous People were forcefully arrested for trying to block any construction of pipelines or drilling through their own territories without their consultation, then You can see why they are pissed off with how long the same rules were applied here. It has to be a level playing field. PERIOD!!
 
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silentkisser said:
It's not necessarily a sacrifice. He is someone who is not partisan. His foundation was angry that these yahoos put political messages and an upside down flag for a cause that Fox likely wouldn't have supported. Fox is a national icon and hero. He attempted to run a marathon of hope (literally a marathon per day) on one leg to raise money for cancer research. He went from Newfoundland all the way to Thunder Bay, until his cancer spread so much that he couldn't continue.

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Exactly my point when I opposed to the statement that Truckers sacrifice nothing while Terry Fox sacrifice everything. While Terry Fox is a national hero, he did not sacrifice anything.
 
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silentkisser said:
Here's the thing, this is a movement that goes against public health recommendations designed to blunt the spread of a deadly disease. Their MOU is totally unrealistic, and is calling for the democratically elected government to be overthrown. What started off as a protest against have transborder truckers be vaxxed so to avoid quarantine was misguided....since the US was enforcing a similar rule. So, even if Ottawa wanted to change this, this small group of truckers would still be ineligible to cross.

Then, there are their tactics. Blocking roads/highways and honking all the time in residential zones is not really a great way to win support. People are angry about a lot of things the government does. It doesn't give them the right to do things like this. I can almost guarantee you that many of the people supporting these protests were calling from the RCMP to crack skulls when the First Nations blockaded rail lines and highways.

So, I don't think the PM has a responsibility to speak with them. He doesn't have a responsibility to speak with BLM protesters either. But there is a difference between them that you likely won't agree with. BLM is talking about historic issues where POC communities have been marginalized because of the colour of their skin. Truckers are just facing the consequences for decisions they made.
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A good start would have been to cancel the vaccine mandate for truckers right after the movement starts before they arrive to Ottawa. Such mandate has nothing to do with public health recommendations since trackers spent almost all day in isolation and they are least likely to transmit the virus. Then rethink testing and vaccination requirements at U.S. land border: they have nothing to do with public heath since COVID statistics in northern U.S. states is similar to Canada. Then for airline travel (including domestic): either testing or vaccination would be enough. You see, lots of the mandates are useless and have nothing to do with health recommendations. Most of the time COVID test instead of vaccination will work. Most of vaccine requirements are just to force people to take the vaccine. People are not stupid and they can see it. Having many useless unreasonable restrictions get people angry. Saying "I am right and you are wrong" is not the way to resolve the conflict especially when it is clear that there are lots of things the government does wrong. Admit mistakes and correct them ASAP - this is the way to govern a free nation.
 
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fall said:
A good start would have been to cancel the vaccine mandate for truckers right after the movement starts before they arrive to Ottawa.
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No, the trucking industry backed the mandate.
Mandates were provincial policy, not federal.
The US had a vaccine mandate as well, even if Canada did end their provincial mandates truckers still wouldn't be able to cross.
 
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fall said:
Exactly my point when I opposed to the statement that Truckers sacrifice nothing while Terry Fox sacrifice everything. While Terry Fox is a national hero, he did not sacrifice anything.
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I would have replied to this post sooner, but my computer short-circuited and crashed due to not being able to process the stupidity of this statement.
 
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glamphotographer said:
It's a start but still, they're not leaving. Ottawa police fucked up and didn't prepare, just like the Capitol Police on Jan 6. "Oh, it's just a bunch of right-wing extremists, it will be peaceful". Ottawa police chief should step down.
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He's known for protecting officers accused of sexual assault and punishing those who report it.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Terry Fox died running to raise money for cancer.
You call that nothing?
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Raising money is good. Dying s bad. Dying doing something is not sacrificing his life as he would have died anyway. Do not exaggerate the facts and do not use big words when they are not appropriate. He did a good thing, it required lots of effort and dedication, but it was not a sacrifice.
 
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