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My take is that it is more than just the vaccine. Their grievances also include high fuel prices, the carbon tax, their voices not being heard, etc.

As an amateur student of revolution and civil wars we have to proceed very carefully and not overreact or things can go sideways very quickly.

A lesson from past revolutions is that the police and army might actually join the protesters. Be careful out there.
So the majority of the country votes for this person and the minority doesn’t like that so the answer is to revolt?
 
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So what is the solution then? Leave them all there to keep businesses closed, borders and people hostage, continue to allow truckers to block food from entering the country. Just leave it like that forever?

Sadly the majority have spoken and Trudeau is in power. Mandates were a political platform of his and the majority of people want it. For the record, I don’t. But He is not bowing to anything. So unless you plan to take him to court over these measure, how do you propose this ends?
Who else thinks that Trudeau hasn't clue of what to do and has lost total control of the situation which largely his government's doing.
 
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Remember in 2020 when a handful of Indigenous protesters near Bellville blocked on rail traffic to eastern Canada? Our Prime Minister refused to remove the blockade. Travelers were stranded. VIA Rail was shut down. 450 CN employees were laid off. CN got several court injunctions to remove the protesters but the Prime Minister refused, saying "This has to be solved by dialogue". Shelves were becoming empty in Atlantic Canada and Fuel was being rationed. Our Prime Minister said "Canadian's must be patient". That was a handful of protesters. So, what do you think this Government is going to do with thousands of truckers?
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Dealing with the indigenous people is a very hot topic and potentially explosive and any political leader must tread very lightly when dealing with their issues.

In dealing with a bunch of poorly educated, selfish, ignorant anarchists that 90% of the country is against, it would be much easier to put the hammer down with a show of force at the proper time.
 

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Who else thinks that Trudeau hasn't clue of what to do and has lost total control of the situation which largely his government's doing.
But we are here. This is who is in power and he just got re-elected.

So again, what is the solution? The majority have spoken. They voted. That is what a democracy is. So when the majority have done this whether you agree or not, do you believe the solution is civil unrest and a revolt?
 

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You are missing the point of the protest. The fact is that all these restrictions need to be lifted now and not in 6-8 months. Some people can’t afford any more lockdown and restrictions. It’s either destroying business or people through mental health depressions damage to kids etc...and for some people there is no going back and it’s past the point of no return. The ones in charge need to be held accountable for this despite the whole world moving ahead with data to back it up and they keep dragging their heels.
Go back and read all my posts.
 

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The country is divided. Look at the popular votes in the 2019 and 2021 elections.
The 2021 federal election explained in 6 charts | CTV News
Not enough for the Liberals to be out. They were voted in AGAIN. Now I have said I didn’t vote that way but I accept that it has happened. Just like when Trump won. The race is done. The votes have been counted. This is what the country said. Now we deal until the next election. Again, that is how democracy works.
 

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Not enough for the Liberals to be out. They were voted in AGAIN. Now I have said I didn’t vote that way but I accept that it has happened. Just like when Trump won. The race is done. The votes have been counted. This is what the country said. Now we deal until the next election. Again, that is how democracy works.
Wow they set a record for their pathetic minority government that represent all of Canadians.
The Liberals set a record for the lowest vote share of a party that would go on to form government, winning 32.6% of the popular vote, while losing the popular vote to the Conservatives as they did in 2019.[8]
Yup they represent the majority. Have him call the election now and see what happens.

I supported him in 2016 because of the marijuana legislation and though he actually cared about people’s choice and will do what is fundamentally right and make this hobby legal by giving consenting adults their basic fundamental human rights to choose what to do with their bodies vs what their government thinks it’s right for them. Right now I feel ashamed I didn’t vote against him in the latest election and that I was so naive to fall for this bs and overlooked his racist acts in the past thinking he can change he can make a Canada a better palce. I never thought he would go out of his way to spread and project his racist tendencies, hatered and entitlement he sees or thinks he has over the people.
 
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Wow they set a record for their pathetic minority government that represent all of Canadians.

Yup they represent the majority. Have him call the election now and see what happens.

I supported him in 2016 because of the marijuana legislation and though he actually cared about people’s choice and will do what is fundamentally right and make this hobby legal by giving consenting adults their basic fundamental human rights to choose what to do with their bodies vs what their government thinks it’s right for them. Right now I feel ashamed I didn’t vote against him in the latest election and that I was so naive to fall for this bs and overlooked his racist acts in the past thinking he can change he can make a Canada a better palce. I never thought he would go out of his way to spread and project his racist tendencies, hatered and entitlement he sees or thinks he has over the people.
He just called an election last year.

Look you don’t have to be happy about it. I didn’t vote for him. I wish someone else won but they didn’t. So we have what we have because people voted and this was the outcome. That is what democracy is. We don’t just say - “I don’t like what the rest of the country said so I’m going to revolt.” You want to scream democracy and freedom and yet when you get it, you spit in the face of it. It doesn’t work like that.

Like it or not, we have Trudeau. Canada spoke and this is what most of the people wanted. Deal with it.
 

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I wish the media would stop calling them protesters. What they did in Ottawa is criminal. They are terrorists and criminals and should be dealt with as such. Hopefully the police in Toronto do their jobs, unlike those in Ottawa.

I'm all for peaceful protests. This is not one of those protests.
 

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I supported him in 2016 because of the marijuana legislation and though he actually cared about people’s choice and will do what is fundamentally right and make this hobby legal by giving consenting adults their basic fundamental human rights to choose what to do with their bodies vs what their government thinks it’s right for them. Right now I feel ashamed I didn’t vote against him in the latest election and that I was so naive to fall for this bs and overlooked his racist acts in the past thinking he can change he can make a Canada a better palce. I never thought he would go out of his way to spread and project his racist tendencies, hatered and entitlement he sees or thinks he has over the people.
I badly wanted a change from Stephan Harper but when you really took a good look at what Trudeau was saying it was appalling. The foremost thing on most Canadians minds are economic challenges. All I ever hear from him in every speech is racism, white supremacy and Islamophobia. He's about as progressive as it gets. His extreme identity politics have carved a deep division in this country. The sooner he is gonzo the better.

If these protests help facilitate that then good as far as I'm concerned.
 
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I wish the media would stop calling them protesters. What they did in Ottawa is criminal. They are terrorists and criminals and should be dealt with as such. Hopefully the police in Toronto do their jobs, unlike those in Ottawa.

I'm all for peaceful protests. This is not one of those protests.
Remember when they called CHAZ a block party freedom of expression plus cheered it on and all the looting burning vandalism and undermining and violence against police in the name of social justice yet they call this criminal and an occupation

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People see what is cheered for and what is booed
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He just called an election last year.

Look you don’t have to be happy about it. I didn’t vote for him. I wish someone else won but they didn’t. So we have what we have because people voted and this was the outcome. That is what democracy is. We don’t just say - “I don’t like what the rest of the country said so I’m going to revolt.” You want to scream democracy and freedom and yet when you get it, you spit in the face of it. It doesn’t work like that.

Like it or not, we have Trudeau. Canada spoke and this is what most of the people wanted. Deal with it.
He called an election in the middle of the pandemic. Think about that for a minute. Done thinking. He tried to pull a fast one on the country thinking that things were about as favourable as it could be to get his majority government. But surprise surprise even with his bought and paid for media he still lost the majority vote and we ended up in exactly the same position as before. Well not just the same come to think about it because we were out 600 million for the cost his folly.

The ''fringe minority'' who he calls mostly racists and misogynists' have had it with him and his divisive rhetoric. He always talking about dialogue and transparency. Let's see what his next move is because this isn't going away anytime soon I can guarantee you that.
 

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He called an election in the middle of the pandemic. Think about that for a minute. Done thinking. He tried to pull a fast one on the country thinking that things were about as favourable as it could be to get his majority government. But surprise surprise even with his bought and paid for media he still lost the majority vote and we ended up in exactly the same position as before. Well not just the same come to think about it because we were out 600 million for the cost his folly.

The ''fringe minority'' who he calls mostly racists and misogynists' have had it with him and his divisive rhetoric. He always talking about dialogue and transparency. Let's see what his next move is because this isn't going away anytime soon I can guarantee you that.

You don’t like him. I get it. I don’t either. You can think what you want about him, about the liberals about how and why he says what he does, how and why he called an election. None of that matters.

What matters is democracy, which is something everyone is bitching about and yet everyone has gotten.

He called an election. In the middle of the pandemic. With the platform of vaccines and mandates and he won. Period. End stop.

So what do you do now? Hold the public hostage? For what? That ain’t gonna change his mind. Hold food hostage at the border? You think he is going to change his tune For that? Nope. Revolt and have a civil war? Sure, let’s turn into Syria because that is how the war started there. Between the government and the people.

You like to bitch and post shit here but you never give a solution. It’s just drop the mandates. Well he ain’t and he is in power. For a quite a while longer. Illegal protests ain’t gonna do it.

So do it the legal way and take them to court. Fight it there where it is the only place that will make a difference.
 

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I think Trudeau is smart not to go anywhere near people who are loony enough to want to get the governor general and the senate to take over the government. They are not dealing in reality.
Ironically, the same 'Libertarian' types are usually opposed to both the Monarchy and the Senate.
 
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so to sum up, they brought bales of hay for kids to play on, they have a hockey mascot and they hug one another whilst draped in a Canadian flag……

what an inspiration! Now I see why you overlook the racism, the harassment and assault of people who dare to wear a mask or be homeless, the stealing of food from shelters, the general asshole-ism, it should all be ignored because…. BALES. OF. HAY!!!

to steal a line from Chris Rock, y’all some low-expectation-having motherfuckers!
 
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