Breaking: White House believes Russian invasion of Ukraine may be imminent

[Leimonis]

The United States is war with itself…. It cannot possible handle Russia at the moment too.

but if US "divorces" as mgt proposed, Russia will be able to handle both halves

 

[mandrill]

The Russians unleashed some "false flag" chemical strikes in Donbass last week and this is widely taken to be a precursor to an invasion.

Not sure why Putin is doing this, as it will make him a pariah to the west. Any chance of cooperation will cease at once and forever.

 

[danmand]

The Russians unleashed some "false flag" chemical strikes in Donbass last week and this is widely taken to be a precursor to an invasion.

Not sure why Putin is doing this, as it will make him a pariah to the west. Any chance of cooperation will cease at once and forever.

What cooperation are you referring to?

Arms control, inspection flights, nordstream 2, Nato Russia talks, etc was all terminated by USA.

 

[rhuarc29]

The view of an old Reagan cold warrier:


Can Humanity Survive Washington’s Delusional Belief in its Omnipotence?

Paul Craig Roberts

This — https://www.rt.com/russia/546270-us-promises-response-moscow/ — makes it clear that the CIA rules America.

The Russians called a security conference with Washington and NATO. The Russians explained that security is a joint undertaking and that security only exists if every country feels secure. The CIA responded with accusations against Russia handed to the CIA-puppet Biden regime and the CIA-puppet US media. The national security advisor read the script to us peons: Russia intends a false flag attack on its own troops so that it will have an excuse to invade Ukraine.
The national security advisor is so stupid that it does not occur to him that if Russia wants to invade Ukraine Russia will. Russia needs no excuse, and there is no one in Washington or NATO who can do anything about it.

The Russians explained that they do not feel secure. They are constantly demonized, sanctioned on the basis of accusations in the Western press, and their president insulted. Military maneuvers are conducted on their borders, and the US Navy is in the Black Sea where it has no purpose to be. Washington broke its word given to Gorbachev and has not only moved NATO to Russia’s borders but also established missile bases in Poland and Romania. Washington has overthrown the Ukraine government in an attempt to evict Russia from her Black Sea naval base, established a puppet Ukrainian government hostile to Russia and to the Russian population of eastern Ukraine, and is gradually invading Ukraine economically and militarily with Americans on the ground training Ukrainians in the use of the American supplied arms.

On top of all of this, Washington and NATO are talking about making Ukraine, formerly a province of Russia, and another former province of Russia, Georgia, members of NATO which shows indications of ringing Russia with bases in preparation for war.

Russia explained that the situation is so threatening that it is unacceptable. During the long Cold War the two powers tried to reduce tensions by stabilizing the relationship, but in the 21st century Washington has disavowed all the arms control agreements that were accomplished in the 20th century, and has behaved aggressively toward Russia.

Russia explained that she will no longer tolerate the implied threat of US/NATO bases on her borders and most certainly will not permit Ukraine and Georgia to be members of NATO. Any move by the West in this direction will result in “dire consequences.”

As an old cold warrior as a member of the anti-Soviet Committee on the Present Danger and as a member of a secret presidential committee that helped Reagan end the Cold War, I can tell you that I am astonished that Washington has not heard what the Russians have, in all frankness, told them.

If the Committee on the President Danger had heard the Russians say this in the 1980s, we would have told President Reagan to acknowledge their concern and reduce the tension.

Today the situation is so different that to an experienced cold warrior such as myself it is extremely scary. But the idiots in Washington, who face a far more powerful Russia armed with weapons that Washington can only dream about, have no fear. Washington, the collection of the most stupid and arrogant people in the world, is exposing human life to untold risk on the sole basis of Washington’s belief in its own omnipotence.

Washington is so lacking in omnipotence that its belief in it is a sign of insanity.

According to Russian news reports, Russia is moving four entire armies from the far east to the Western fount. These four armies, even without those already present in western Russia, are sufficient to instantly destroy any force NATO and the US can muster and overrun all of Europe in a few days.

Moreover, Russia can likely mobilize 10 million troops quickly, and China, whose president has stated publicly that China has more than a treaty agreement with Russia, can mobilize 50 million soldiers. NATO, for all the bluster of its idiot Secretary General, has zero prospect of withstanding Russia in non-nuclear war.

This means, and the Kremlin knows this, that to save face Washington would have to go nuclear. This would mean the total destruction of the US and Europe. They would cease to exist.

For Russia with its extensive anti-missile defenses and nuclear bunkers for 40-50% of targeted populations, the war would be disastrous, but Russia would survive.

Russia does not want such a war. Russia doesn’t want to destroy anyone, not even Ukraine. Russia has asked for a security guarantee. That is all.

If we experience Armageddon, it will be only because Washington refused a security guarantee to Russia.

That's ridiculous on multiple fronts, but the one I'll point out is that no sane person would believe the West intends to set up bases ringing Russia as a prelude to invading Russia herself. I don't blame Russia for being upset with America's actions in former soviet states, as Russia obviously has plans for those states. And since Russia can't accomplish those goals diplomatically, they paint the West as the villain and attempt to justify their military action.

 

[Frankfooter]

The Russians unleashed some "false flag" chemical strikes in Donbass last week and this is widely taken to be a precursor to an invasion.

Not sure why Putin is doing this, as it will make him a pariah to the west. Any chance of cooperation will cease at once and forever.

Possibly he thinks aligning with China and moving first is smart.
Are there still sanctions the US can apply, or have they already maximized those?

 

[mandrill]

That's ridiculous on multiple fronts, but the one I'll point out is that no sane person would believe the West intends to set up bases ringing Russia as a prelude to invading Russia herself. I don't blame Russia for being upset with America's actions in former soviet states, as Russia obviously has plans for those states. And since Russia can't accomplish those goals diplomatically, they paint the West as the villain and attempt to justify their military action.

A lot of it is Putin grandstanding for domestic approval. He also probably wishes to annex Belarus and then the Baltics.

 

[danmand]

Possibly he thinks aligning with China and moving first is smart.
Are there still sanctions the US can apply, or have they already maximized those?

The one they have left is to block Russia from SWIFT.

 

[danmand]

A lot of it is Putin grandstanding for domestic approval. He also probably wishes to annex Belarus and then the Baltics.

Come on, Mandy, Russia has legitimate security concerns about Nuclear missiles being deployed to Ukraine. Just as the Soviet Union had when Kennedy deployed nuclear missiles in Turkey.

PS: Why would Russia want the 3 little former Danish enclaves on the Baltic sea??

 

[basketcase]

Does Joe believe that a war will lift his polls?

You think he's making Russia invade?

 

[jcpro]

You think he's making Russia invade?

Russia is not Iraq, it's full of poor but proud people who won't be pushed around by a senile fool standing on the edge of his own grave.

 

[danmand]

Russia is not Iraq, it's full of poor but proud people who won't be pushed around by a senile fool standing on the edge of his own grave.

Napoleon and Hitler both threw everything they had at Russia and lost.

 

[Leimonis]

Russia is not Iraq, it's full of poor but proud people who won't be pushed around by a senile fool standing on the edge of his own grave.

yes! it is the people that are making decisions in Russia!

 

[danmand]

yes! it is the people that are making decisions in Russia!

Do you think the people in Russia or USA wants war?
It is never the people who wants war.

 

[basketcase]

Russia is not Iraq, it's full of poor but proud people who won't be pushed around by a senile fool standing on the edge of his own grave.

So yes, you sadly believe Putin is preparing to invade Ukraine because Biden is making him. I think you need to make up your mind whether Biden is capable of conning the world or a dementia ridden dolt.

 

[basketcase]

Do you think the people in Russia or USA wants war?
It is never the people who wants war.

Yet Putin is ready to formally invade after years of supporting pro-Russian militias fighting in Ukraine. Makes it clear that the people of Russia have little say in what goes on.

 

[jcpro]

So yes, you sadly believe Putin is preparing to invade Ukraine because Biden is making him. I think you need to make up your mind whether Biden is capable of conning the world or a dementia ridden dolt.

That's not what I said nor it is anywhere close to what I believe. Russia swallowed the expansion of NATO and the EU to the Bug river, but that's where it ends. Putin will agree to the expansion of the EU into Ukraine, but any attempt to expand NATO will be the end of Ukraine.

 

[basketcase]

That's not what I said nor it is anywhere close to what I believe. Russia swallowed the expansion of NATO and the EU to the Bug river, but that's where it ends. Putin will agree to the expansion of the EU into Ukraine, but any attempt to expand NATO will be the end of Ukraine.

In the modern world, no one accepts the Monroe Doctrine as justification for US meddling in South or Central America and similarly we shouldn't support Russia telling the Ukraine who it can be friends with.

With Russia already having annexed part of the Ukraine and has troops pretending to be independent militias fighting in the East, the Ukraine has a serious justification for wanting protection from Russian expansionism.

 

[shack]

Do you think the people in Russia or USA wants war?
It is never the people who wants war.

I don't because just the threat of war is messing up my RSP pretty badly this past week.

 

[jcpro]

In the modern world, no one accepts the Monroe Doctrine as justification for US meddling in South or Central America and similarly we shouldn't support Russia telling the Ukraine who it can be friends with.

With Russia already having annexed part of the Ukraine and has troops pretending to be independent militias fighting in the East, the Ukraine has a serious justification for wanting protection from Russian expansionism.

And the one wakes up....and faces reality.

 

[danmand]

In the modern world, no one accepts the Monroe Doctrine as justification for US meddling in South or Central America

Nobody should, but there are members that disagree with you.

And to be fair, it is not about who Is friends with whom. It is about the stationing of nuclear missiles and American military in Ukraine. If Russia were to (fortunately it cannot) station nuclear missiles in Venezuela or Cuba, nobody here would agree with it.