BREAKING: CBC producer quits, slams woke broadcaster for failing to cover issues important to Canadians

[JohnLarue]

Wait a minute. Are you suggesting when Larue posts about “satellite data” and “atmospheric temperatures”….(and not surface temp)… That is a tactic??? But if we don’t pay attention atmosphere temp, how will we fight forest fires in the atmosphere? Or atmospheric glacier melt?

If you had a clue , you would know that greenhouse gases are found in the atmosphere.
As per the IPCC this is where the greenhouse effect should be occurring
Did you think scientists were sending millions of weather balloons up into the atmosphere over the past 200 years just for fun?


The surface temperature data set is a mess (NASSA, NOAA, HadCRUT)
It is filled with errors, it is incomplete , it is biased by the urban island heat effect and it has been fiddled with


The satellite data set of atmospheric temperatures addresses all of those flaws and ........shows next to no warming, verified by separate data sets from weather balloons
0.21 C relative to the 1991 to 2000 average

Calling this superior data set a tactic is just ignorance talking

Meanwhile CO2 has increased approx. 20% over the same time frame

If the experimental data does not match your theory......... your theory is wrong

 

[JohnLarue]

So melting glaciers don't themselves contribute to global warming, just to rising sea levels. How comforting...

90 % of the ice on the planet can be found in the South Pole, 70% of the fresh water
The south pole is frozen 99% of the time , and just had one of the coldest winter on record That ice is not going anywhere anytime soon

 

[y2kmark]

Tara Henley seems pretty much on point to me.

She's the tip of the spear all right

 

[Moviefan-2]

I will take position 1 for $2000 Alex

It is noteworthy that Frankfooter has currently refused to tell us whether he accepts the IPCC's decision.

 

[bver_hunter]

This is hilarious. The guy who insists we should listen to the experts continues to ignore the official decisions, constantly wanting to pivot to my opinion.

To begin with, Mann didn't merely claim he "contributed" to the report. In his legal filing, he said he was "awarded" the Nobel Prize.

Quote from point 2 in the introduction: "As a result of this research, Dr. Mann and his colleagues were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."

https://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/michael-mann-complaint.pdf

The Nobel Institute responded to this and the IPCC issued a subsequent statement confirming the Nobel Institute's decision. The Nobel Institute said it was "incorrect" to say that any contributor to the report was a Nobel Prize winner.

Michael Mann’s False Nobel Claim | National Review

This morning, I called the Nobel Committee in Norway and asked whether Michael Mann had won a Nobel Peace Prize. The answer was a pretty emphatic “No.” Here is the call (apologies for poor quality …

www.nationalreview.com

The IPCC also said it was "incorrect": "The prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organization, and not to any individual associated with the IPCC. Thus it is incorrect to refer to any IPCC official, or scientist who worked on IPCC reports, as a Nobel laureate or Nobel Prize winner."

The IPCC weighs in on the Mann Nobel dilemma, and throws him under the bus

This statement was issued today from the IPCC, which appears to be inspired by the recent claims of Dr. Michael Mann in the lawsuit against NRO that we discussed here and here. The colored bold tex…

wattsupwiththat.com

The Nobel Institute says it is false.

The IPCC also says it is false.

"The prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organization, and not to any individual associated with the IPCC."

I support the decisions from the Nobel Institute and the IPCC that what Mann said was false.

Are you saying the Nobel Institute and the IPCC were wrong?

Please clarify.

Once again You did not respond to any of the questions that I posed. You are hilarious!!

If You go to Section 17 on Page 6 of the same link. It clarifies exactly what Dr. Mann was stating with regards to the award of the prize. He did not claim it for himself but shared it:

"In 2007, Dr. Mann shared The Nobel Peace Prize with the other IPCC Authors for the work in Climate Change, including the Development of the Hockey Stick Graph".

Now that Hockey Stick Graph is purely his development, and has been ridiculed by the usual Climate Change Deniers. Let the Court decide whether his claim was false or not, and not the usual far right warped Climate Change Deniers mouthpieces!!

Again their contribution to the IPCC's work led to the winning of this Peace Prize:

Michael Mann is a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University who contributed work to the International Panel on Climate Change that received the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. He's familiar with both the science and politics of climate change. And he's speaking this evening as part of St. Lawrence University's forum on the issue.

https://www.northcountrypublicradio...on-the-science-and-politics-of-climate-change

So tell us how different is this contribution from an Ice Hockey player that is in the Canadian Team that won the Gold Medal?

Once again only losers do not answer the question, as they have no real logical explanation for it!!

 

[bver_hunter]

Yes or no, are you a science denier who has stated on this board that no scientific evidence can sway you from your views?
Yes or no, are you denigrating experts because you can't answer to the evidence and the science?
Yes or no, is the planet warming up more than you stated it would?
Yes or no, would you ever admit you are wrong?

Moviefan will not give you a straightforward answer. He tries to sidetrack the question by always posing another question.
This is his answer to all yours and my questions. Burning questions, eh.............:

Yes or no: Do you accept the decisions from the Nobel Institute and the IPCC that Mann's statements were false?

Yes or no.

 

[JohnLarue]

It is noteworthy that Frankfooter has currently refused to tell us whether he accepts the IPCC's decision.

One must understand a decision before one can accept or reject it
Perhaps you ask too much of him?

 

[silentkisser]

So CanadaLand interview Tara Henley and asked for specific incidents where she was not allowed to report on stories or book guests....And not shockingly, she couldn't...

Asking Tara Henley to explain what she means

The former CBCer said she was stifled by the broadcaster's "radical political agenda." We wanted to know: how so?

www.canadaland.com

 

[Moviefan-2]

Once again You did not respond to any of the questions that I posed. You are hilarious!!

Let's begin by once again reviewing the official statements:

- Geir Lundestad, the former director of the Nobel Institute: "Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Prize."

- Nobel committee spokesperson: "The organization won it. It’s not a personal prize to people belonging to an organization."

- Nobel committee spokesperson: "No, he has not won it at all."

- The IPCC: "The prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organization, and not to any individual associated with the IPCC. Thus it is incorrect to refer to any IPCC official, or scientist who worked on IPCC reports, as a Nobel laureate or Nobel Prize winner."

Here is my unequivocal answer: I completely agree with the Nobel Institute and the IPCC that Mann's claims that he was "awarded" a Nobel Prize and that he "shared the Nobel Peace Prize with other IPCC authors" were false.

How about you?

Yes or no: Do you agree with the Nobel Institute and the IPCC that Mann's claims were false?

(By the way, your insults are pretty funny considering you never did answer the quiz. Did mommy forget to tell you about people who live in glass houses? )

 

[JohnLarue]

So CanadaLand interview Tara Henley and asked for specific incidents where she was not allowed to report on stories or book guests....And not shockingly, she couldn't...

Asking Tara Henley to explain what she means

The former CBCer said she was stifled by the broadcaster's "radical political agenda." We wanted to know: how so?

www.canadaland.com

Reread the transcript

The CanadaLand Interviewer obviously wanted to take her down

If you honestly think the CBC is not partisan , I suggest you stop sniffing the glue

 

[silentkisser]

Reread the transcript

The CanadaLand Interviewer obviously wanted to take her down

If you honestly think the CBC is not partisan , I suggest you stop sniffing the glue

CanadaLand is a strong critic of the CBC. They do blistering coverage of when it makes mistakes. This whole Tara Henley thing feels like she's trying to jump to conservative media, or push a book slamming Trudeau and progressives. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if Ezra at the Rebel hasn't reached out to her to join the "editorial" team.

I think we can all agree the CBC has issues. I don't think most of them have anything to do with the editorial leanings. They bend over backward to get both sides of the story. The issue is there is too much management that are afraid to innovate. Private broadcasters like CTV or Global do not cover the country like the CBC is mandated to do. We would never hear stories from the North without the CBC.

 

[bver_hunter]

Let's begin by once again reviewing the official statements:

- Geir Lundestad, the former director of the Nobel Institute: "Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Prize."

- Nobel committee spokesperson: "The organization won it. It’s not a personal prize to people belonging to an organization."

- Nobel committee spokesperson: "No, he has not won it at all."

- The IPCC: "The prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organization, and not to any individual associated with the IPCC. Thus it is incorrect to refer to any IPCC official, or scientist who worked on IPCC reports, as a Nobel laureate or Nobel Prize winner."

Here is my unequivocal answer: I completely agree with the Nobel Institute and the IPCC that Mann's claims that he was "awarded" a Nobel Prize and that he "shared the Nobel Peace Prize with other IPCC authors" were false.

How about you?

Yes or no: Do you agree with the Nobel Institute and the IPCC that Mann's claims were false?

(By the way, your insults are pretty funny considering you never did answer the quiz. Did mommy forget to tell you about people who live in glass houses? )

So once again ducking out of answering a single question. What "insult" are you referring to? You are the one throwing insults when dragging someone's mother into the mix. Sheesh!!
I have answered all your questions and that image is dead accurate as the Burning Questions are too hot for You to handle
Can You handle a single question posed to You? Here it goes:

1) Once again, if the Canadian Hockey Players claim that they won the Gold Medal at the Winter Olympics, so is that false as Canada alone gets the credit?
2) Is that any different if the IPCC Members taking the credit for the work they contributed to resulting in a Nobel Prize win for the Organization?
3) If Mann was so wrong in his work like You Climate Change Deniers insist, then why was he awarded the Top Climate Research 2019 Tyler Laureate Prize?
4) Show us who disagreed with his work and also received that Tyler Laureate prize, among the Climate Change Deniers so called scientists?

Heating up my popcorn while I wait for you to answer at least a single question posed to You!!

 

[JohnLarue]

I don't think most of them have anything to do with the editorial leanings.

are you kidding?

They bend over backward to get both sides of the story.

They bend over backwards to try and paint The Liberals in a favorable light

The issue is there is too much management that are afraid to innovate

If they are afraid to innovate, then they are also afraid to challenge the basis and play the devils advocate with the liberals.

.. You know the liberals the same liberals who out of the blue decided to give the CBC more taxpayers cash

. Private broadcasters like CTV or Global do not cover the country like the CBC is mandated to do. We would never hear stories from the North without the CBC.

They are also mandated to maintain journalistic integrity, but liberal delivered taxpayer cash seems to wash that away

 

[Frankfooter]

Moviefan will not give you a straightforward answer. He tries to sidetrack the question by always posing another question.
This is his answer to all yours and my questions. Burning questions, eh.............:

Its as predictable as larue with his copy and paste dodgy charts as soon as you mention satellite data.
Of course larue uses really old and very dodgy charts because the new ones show him to be totally clueless.

The past seven years have been the hottest on record, according to new data from the EU's satellite system.
The Copernicus Climate Change Service said 2021 was the fifth-warmest year, with record-breaking heat in some regions.

Moviefan is hilarious as well, he goes on and on yet his central claim he admitted:

Fact: The Nobel Institute confirmed that Mann's claims that he was a "co-recipient" of the Nobel Prize was total bullshit.

And of course since Mann was a listed major contributing author, he gets to claim to be part of the team that won.

The award went to the IPCC and Al Gore.

Yes, the award went to the IPCC and Al Gore and Mann was a part of that IPCC team. Which means that:
Mann contributed to the reports of the IPCC, which was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007
Do you deny this statement?

You're as bad as larue, how many pages have you spent trying to denigrate the Nobel winning IPCC, Gore and all the contributing authors?
For what?
Because the best you and larue can do is to quote retired geology profs, right wing commentators or political scientists?
Because there isn't a single reputable climatologist that wouldn't think you're just totally bullshitting?
'
All because denigrating experts is the best you can do in a debate, because you still can't deny that you claimed the planet wouldn't hit 0.83ºC and since then its been record after record.
I'd say your prediction record is as good as dutch oven with his electoral litigation thread, where he went 0 for 66 backing losing court cases.

You and larue make quite the debating team.

 

[bver_hunter]

To all those who support Tara Henley's stand that the CBC is an "extreme left" news media, please scrutinize this interview with Tara Henley:

Asking Tara Henley to explain what she means
The former CBCer said she was stifled by the broadcaster's "radical political agenda." We wanted to know: how so?

Now this part, where she gives her reasoning for leaving the CBC:

Having since rejoined the CBC, she once again left in December, this time laying out her reasons for departing her contract in a January 3 Substack post, “Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.”Accusing the public broadcaster of having dispensed with core values in favour of a “radical political agenda,” Henley’s 1,000-word missive made a far bigger splash than her 336-page book.

Here she sits with the various right wing media including the far right Fox News. But then her interview with Canada Land is very interesting:

The next day, her dispatch ran on the front of the National Post and on page 3 of the Toronto and Ottawa Suns. By the end of the week, the former associate producer for various morning radio shows had spoken with Fox News and was getting cited in a Conservative fundraising email blast.

She’s also the guest on this week’s CANADALAND, where host Jesse Brown presses her for evidence for her contention that the CBC’s ostensibly “woke worldview” has come at the cost of journalistic integrity and coverage of issues that matter:

So guys now read the whole interview and tell us exactly what makes the CBC an "Extreme Left" platform for that so called "Radical Political Agenda"??

Asking Tara Henley to explain what she means

The former CBCer said she was stifled by the broadcaster's "radical political agenda." We wanted to know: how so?

www.canadaland.com

In other words her reasoning is total and utter BS, that only the right wingers buy, as she was pinned in the corner by Jesse Brown!!

 

[glamphotographer]

Well the snow flake producer can join Rebel News.

 

[wigglee]

They are currently too politically correct. Maybe they should have Don Cherry on the "At Issue" panel. I like the CBC and think it is important to maintain as a culturally unifying force, but it should move more to the centre. Check out the current add for the Olympics. They show about 7 quick clips of olympic events and 5 of them are "Special" olympic clips.

 

[silentkisser]

are you kidding?




They bend over backwards to try and paint The Liberals in a favorable light


If they are afraid to innovate, then they are also afraid to challenge the basis and play the devils advocate with the liberals.

.. You know the liberals the same liberals who out of the blue decided to give the CBC more taxpayers cash




They are also mandated to maintain journalistic integrity, but liberal delivered taxpayer cash seems to wash that away

I guess if a news organization truly plays it down the middle it appears left leaning to you. That's quite revealing. CTV and Global are right of centre. Not like Fox or course, but still a little right. So, by comparison CBC seems radical...

And they don't bend over backwards to paint the Liberals in a better way. They slam them just as much as the PCs. It's obvious you don't watch it. You probably get your point of view from guys like Brian Lilley or Ezra Levant. So, this all makes sense now.

 

[Moviefan-2]

So once again ducking out of answering a single question. What "insult" are you referring to? You are the one throwing insults when dragging someone's mother into the mix. Sheesh!!
I have answered all your questions and that image is dead accurate as the Burning Questions are too hot for You to handle

You may be as functionally illiterate as Frankfooter. For the record, the list of points you provided are questions - not answers.

Directing questions at me is NOT answering the question. Any person who graduated from high school would know that.

Furthermore, I have answered your relevant questions (I'm not bothering with the ones that try to change the subject).

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your ignorance of the issue explains why you don't understand the answer. I'll try to explain the answer more fully in the next post in the hope that maybe you'll finally understand.

 

[Moviefan-2]

1) Once again, if the Canadian Hockey Players claim that they won the Gold Medal at the Winter Olympics, so is that false as Canada alone gets the credit?
2) Is that any different if the IPCC Members taking the credit for the work they contributed to resulting in a Nobel Prize win for the Organization?

The answer to No. 1 is irrelevant since the answer to No. 2 is yes, they are entirely different.

The IPCC claims there are thousands of researchers involved in its reports. So the question is whether thousands of contributors can claim to have "shared" the Nobel Peace Prize.

The Nobel Institute and the IPCC have both addressed this: they cannot claim to have "shared" the prize.

The context is important.

The original language that said contributors "shared" the award came from the IPCC. Mann explained that in his Facebook posting.

When the controversy about Mann's legal filing broke, the Nobel Institute was asked about Mann's claims and provided an unequivocal response. He cannot claim to be a Nobel laureate.

After the Nobel Insitute contacted the IPCC, the IPCC issued a statement on the matter.

Please note: The IPCC was fully aware of the "shared award" language being used by Mann and others (eg., Kevin Trenberth). In its followup statement, the IPCC said it is "incorrect" for contributing members to claim any credit for the Nobel Prize that went to the IPCC as "an organization."

The Nobel Institute and the IPCC explicitly answered question 2: The answer is NO! Regarding the Nobel Prize, the IPCC said contributors cannot take "credit for the work they contributed."

The IPCC's exact quote: "The prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organization, and not to any individual associated with the IPCC. Thus it is incorrect to refer to any IPCC official, or scientist who worked on IPCC reports, as a Nobel laureate or Nobel Prize winner."

The IPCC weighs in on the Mann Nobel dilemma, and throws him under the bus

This statement was issued today from the IPCC, which appears to be inspired by the recent claims of Dr. Michael Mann in the lawsuit against NRO that we discussed here and here. The colored bold tex…

wattsupwiththat.com

I said (bolded and underlined, once again) that I completely agree with the Nobel Institute and the IPCC that Mann's statements were false.

(Not that it really matters, as I don't set the rules for the awarding of the Nobel Prize.)

I can't make it any clearer. I fully agree with the Nobel Institute and the IPCC that the answer to question 2 is that contributors cannot claim to have "shared" the award and Mann's statements were false!!

Contrary to the false claims quoted above, bver_hunter has NOT answered the question.

Yes or no, bver_hunter: Do you agree with the Nobel Institute and the IPCC that Mann cannot claim to have "shared" the award and that his statements were false?