It's amazing that despite how many times you bring this up, you still can't point out a single way that Arab Israelis lost any legal rights by that law.
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Wow, so many lies in one short post.The attempts to use the IHRA definition of anti semitism are intended to shut down debate.
Instead, you branded 45% of those living under Israeli rule as 'antisemites' as well as 25% of American Jews, who all see Israel as apartheid.
No IHRA
Fight antisemitism and white supremacy. Not Palestine solidarity. The dangerously misleading IHRA antisemitism definition poses an unprecedented threat to the Palestine solidarity movement.www.noihra.ca
1) The IHRA definition as adopted by Canada specifically says criticisms of Israel is not necessary anti-Semitic. It clearly lays out the difference between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism. You just don't like it because you have hit many of their examples in your time(s) on terb.
2) You already got exposed about that survey and the bullshit analysis. But it amuses me when you pretend "doesn't really fit at all" somehow means the complete opposite.
Another weak change of topics.
Hamas are terrorists as defined by Canada.
Islamic Jihad are terrorists as defined by Canada.
Part of Fatah are terrorists as defined by Canada.
PFLP are terrorists as defined by Canada (including their members on the board of PFLP).
Could add a few more but those are the major ones.
And still you ignore what Palestinians and Arab Israelis have to say. Sadly you learned your moral system in the Victorian era where they thought that non-Europeans weren't capable of thinking for themselves.
more evidence showing that the palestinian movement is nazism
Richard L. Cravatts, Ph.D., a Freedom Center Journalism Fellow in Academic Free Speech and President Emeritus of Scholars for Peace in the Middle East, is the author of Dispatches From the Campus War Against Israel and Jews.
Writing in 2009 about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, the insightful Palestinian/Israeli journalist Khaled Abu Toameh observed that, “What is happening on the U.S. campuses is not about supporting the Palestinians as much as it is about promoting hatred for the Jewish state. It is not really about ending the ‘occupation,’” he wrote, “as much as it is about ending the existence of Israel.”
And that is what those who observe the campus activism against Israel have never fully understood: that being pro-Palestinian, by definition, means being anti-Israel.
It does not involve urging the Palestinian leadership to come to terms with Israel about long unsettled negotiation points about borders, Jerusalem, the return of refugees, and other key issues. It has never involved advising Palestinians to abandon terror, or so-called “resistance,” as a tactic for advancing political ambitions.
Those helping to promote Palestinian self-determination have not been firm in suggesting that Palestinian leaders and other officials end incitement, stop the indoctrination of children in textbooks and lesson plans that demonize Israel and Jews and teach children to look at the Jewish state as an abomination, an illegal regime, a perverse example of the malignancy of Jews who steal land, commit genocide, and oppress an innocent indigenous people.
Supporters of the Palestinians have not advised Palestinian leaders to abandon their unrealistic, maximalist ambitions where the fictional Palestine that Israel’s foes always refer to will be reborn—from the River to the Sea—in place of Israel, with the Palestinians the majority rulers of a dhimmi minority of Jews.
The Palestinians have never been told by their supporters that it is morally repugnant and diplomatically lethal to engage in a “pay to slay” program through which terrorists and their families were financially rewarded with $183 million in 2017, for example, garnered from foreign aid heaped on the Palestinians, purportedly for humanitarian aid.
No one has written a constitution for the new Palestinian state, brought together Fatah and Hamas to form a recognized ruling party, and urged Palestinian leaders to sit at the negotiation table with Israel to facilitate the creation of their new state.
In fact, based on their actions over decades of debate and negotiation, it seems very clear that the two-state solution is something the Palestinians can neither conceive of nor even appear to want. And the notion of “two states living sides by side in peace,” as the oft-repeated refrain goes, is, and always has been, of complete irrelevance to the Arabs. The creation of a new Arab state is not the sought-after goal; what is the actual goal is the extirpation of the Jewish one.
In debating the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict, social justice activists, of course, demonstrate their hypocrisy by endlessly dwelling on the many evils of Israel without bothering to examine or measure the Palestinians’ own central role in contributing to the many pathologies endemic to their civil society and institutions. Like many Western elites do when choosing sides, social justice warriors infantilize the Palestinian victim and assume he has no agency to ameliorate his own conditions.
In reality, pro-Palestinian activists seem to care very little about the actual self-determination and state building of the hapless Palestinians. As is frequently the case when speaking about the Israeli/Arab conflict, the discussion often glosses over the real problems of Palestinian culture, politics, and society (including its cult of death, terrorism, and martyrdom), and targets all criticism on the perceived defects of Israel, Zionism, and Jewish power. This is a clear example of another underlying factor in the social justice effort, the soft bigotry of low Palestinian expectations.
Many academics in the humanities and social sciences, including activists as disparate as Black Lives Matter, Students for Justice in Palestine, and the National Association of Women’s Studies, increasingly find a linkage as they seek to affirm the rights of the victimized and name the villains responsible for this oppression—foremost among them, Israel.
The more that seemingly unrelated instances of oppression can be conflated, it is thought, the greater the ability to confront these oppressors and dilute the negative effect they have on their specific victims and on society at large. This trend has been called “intersectionality,” and it has meant that someone who is a gender studies professor, or queer theorist, or American studies expert can, with no actual knowledge or expertise about the Middle East, readily pontificate on the many social pathologies of which he or she accuses Israel, based on its perceived role as a racist, imperialist, colonial oppressor of an innocent indigenous population of Arab victims. For social justice warriors, to know one victim group is to know any victim group—with Israel being a tempting and habitual target of their opprobrium.
That has meant, as one vexatious example, that the notoriously anti-Israel Jewish Voice for Peace, working in concert with Students for Justice in Palestine and other campus radicals, have promoted the mendacious “Deadly Exchange” lie which accuses Israel of being complicit in promoting racist violence in the United States by training police officers on how to arrest and neutralize black suspects, using the techniques and procedures gleaned from their long oppression of Palestinians. So, the brutality, racism, and cruelty of Israel is so malignant and powerful that it negatively affects blacks in America and the intersectional circle of oppression is closed in this perverse narrative.
When they are honest, which is a rare occurrence, BDS supporters finally admit that their ultimate objective is the smashing of Zionism and the destruction of the Jewish state (the “Palestine will be free, from the River to the Sea” fantasy they frequently chant about in their demonstrations). They may well “seek freedom, justice and equality” for the long-aggrieved Palestinians, but it is very evident to any sentient observer that their concern for justice and equity does not extend to Jews living in Israel, since if the BDS campaign were to be successful and Israel was extirpated in the name of Palestinian self-determination, those Jews who were not slaughtered during the destruction of their state would become second-class citizens in the newest Arab state, and an independent Jewish democracy would evaporate in activists’ toxic dream of autonomous Arab sovereignty for the Palestinians.
Pro-Palestinian radicals are quick to critique the strategy and tactics of their ideological opponents who support the Jewish state but fail to notice that their behavior precisely mirrors that of the individuals who they denounce. “This strategy of personal attacks, defamation and the suppression of free speech is one that is being used by Zionist organizations on campuses across the country,” Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) at Butler University whined about in a recent newspaper column, failing to notice that their speech, and that of their fellow travelers in the hate-Israel crowd, is not being suppressed at all, merely answered back by those with alternate, pro-Israel views. It would be very convenient for them, of course, to not have to defend their poisonous ideology and their relentless — and baseless — slanders against Israel, and if they want to engage in serious and productive debate about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, then they will have to come to the table equipped to use facts, reason, and history to support their arguments, something which they are rarely inclined to do.
Victim groups on campus, including the pro-Palestinians, claim that they join forces to fight for justice, equity, and liberation, that, as SJP disingenuously claimed, “The fight against anti-Semitism must be linked to the wider fight against oppression — including the fight against Palestinian oppression.” But it is the pro-Palestinians who are singularly responsible for the majority of hostility on campuses today, not some other, vaguely defined and mostly invisible group of white supremacists, fascists, or right-wing lunatics that haunt the liberal mind.
In fact, as studies by the AMCHA Initiative, as one example, have shown, it is the presence of groups like SJP on campuses that is directly responsible for fomenting anti-Semitic expression and behavior on university campuses, not white supremacists. The AMCHA Initiative, a group that monitors more than 400 college campuses across the U.S. for anti-Semitic activity, revealed in its reports that “Schools with instances of student-produced anti-Zionist expression, including BDS promotion, are 7 times more likely to have incidents that targeted Jewish students for harm than schools with no evidence of students’ anti-Zionist expression and the more such anti-Zionist expression, the higher the likelihood of incidents involving anti-Jewish hostility,” meaning that BDS activism spreads outward on a campus, tainting the overall environment for Jewish students who may or may not even be directly involved in the Israeli/Palestinian debate.
Equally serious was the report’s findings that SJP’s presence resulted in “incidents of Israel-related anti-Semitic harassment increase[ing] 70%.” And, based on SJP’s obsession with calls to boycott only Israel and suppress any and all dialogue in support of Israel, Zionism, or Jews—SJP’s actions on campuses have the end effect that “attempts to exclude Jewish and pro-Israel students from campus activities more than doubled, with expression calling for the total boycott or exclusion of pro-Israel students from campus life nearly tripling.”
So when, with not a bit of self-awareness or embarrassment, pro-Palestinians accuse the administration of being a sinister cabal of Zionist reprobates intent on promulgating racist policies for the good of Israel and to the detriment of good people like themselves (people who deserve, among other benefits, education without cost); when they call for the elimination of the world’s single Jewish sovereignty and Middle East’s only functioning democracy; and when they ghoulishly and malignantly shriek, “Intifada, Intifada, long live Intifada” and “There is only one solution: Intifada revolution!,” an unambiguous call for the murder of Jews at the hands of psychopathic terrorists, they should stop being indignant when they are accused of being actually antisemitic, despite the fact that their rhetoric is draped in the language of so-called “social justice.”
Since its founding in 1993, SJP has had a long history of bringing vitriolic anti-Israel speakers to their respective campuses (now numbering some 200 with chapters), and for such collateral activities as sponsoring the pernicious Israeli Apartheid Weeks, building mock “apartheid walls,” and sending mock eviction notices to Jewish students in their dorms to demonize Israel and create empathy for the Palestinian Arab cause.
SJP has a record on campuses nationwide of a pattern of radicalism, misbehavior, toxic speech, and regular instances of overtly antisemitic behavior. AMCHA reports also “indicate a significant increase in actions which directly harm or threaten Jewish students, including physical and verbal assaults, destruction of property, harassment discrimination and suppression of speech, at schools with an SJP or similar anti-Zionist chapter.”
At the University of Toronto, Scarborough, anti-Israel students voted to forbid Kosher food on campus unless the suppliers disavowed support for Israel. CUNY law students just introduced a resolution condemning Birthright trips to Israel, as well as Stand With Us, Hillel, and other Jewish, pro-Israel groups as dangerous and destructive and wishes them purged from campus, along with any Zionist ideology or support for the Jewish state.
At McGill, based on their spurious charges that Israel is a colonial, apartheid, racist regime engaged in ethnic cleansing, land theft, and an ongoing genocide of an indigenous people, anti-Israel groups and individuals outrageously petitioned the administration that, in light of these accusations, any pro-Israel ideology or expression on campus should henceforth be considered to be hate speech, or as they defined it, “violent, hateful, and harmful speech.” And to ensure that scholars in Israel are cut off from cooperative research and study between universities, including McGill, these woke and most tolerant activists demanded that the University “cut its ties with . . . Israeli education institutions that seek to normalize the atrocities committed by the illegal state of Israel, specifically through their partnerships with Tel Aviv University and the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology.”
And while Zionism, Jewish self-determination, is under attack on campuses across the country and in Canada, pro-Palestinian activists, nevertheless, claim that their hostility towards Zionism has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and their loathing of the world’s only Jewish state has nothing to do with Jew-hatred.
That these campus activists are willing, and ready, to sacrifice the Jewish state, and Jewish lives, in the name of social justice and a specious campaign of self-determination by Palestinian Arabs, shows how morally corrupt and deadly the conversation about human rights has become.
And that their dangerous and toxic activism is often genocidal in promoting the destruction of the Middle East’s only democracy, this odious campaign for social justice social should frighten us all.
What Being Pro-Palestinian Really Means | Frontpagemag
Richard L. Cravatts, Ph.D., a Freedom Center Journalism Fellow in Academic Free Speech and President Emeritus of Scholars for Peace in the Middle East, is the author of Dispatches From the Campus War Against Israel and Jews.
Writing in 2009 about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, the insightful Palestinian/Israeli journalist Khaled Abu Toameh observed that, “What is happening on the U.S. campuses is not about supporting the Palestinians as much as it is about promoting hatred for the Jewish state. It is not really about ending the ‘occupation,’” he wrote, “as much as it is about ending the existence of Israel.”
And that is what those who observe the campus activism against Israel have never fully understood: that being pro-Palestinian, by definition, means being anti-Israel.
It does not involve urging the Palestinian leadership to come to terms with Israel about long unsettled negotiation points about borders, Jerusalem, the return of refugees, and other key issues. It has never involved advising Palestinians to abandon terror, or so-called “resistance,” as a tactic for advancing political ambitions.
Those helping to promote Palestinian self-determination have not been firm in suggesting that Palestinian leaders and other officials end incitement, stop the indoctrination of children in textbooks and lesson plans that demonize Israel and Jews and teach children to look at the Jewish state as an abomination, an illegal regime, a perverse example of the malignancy of Jews who steal land, commit genocide, and oppress an innocent indigenous people.
Supporters of the Palestinians have not advised Palestinian leaders to abandon their unrealistic, maximalist ambitions where the fictional Palestine that Israel’s foes always refer to will be reborn—from the River to the Sea—in place of Israel, with the Palestinians the majority rulers of a dhimmi minority of Jews.
The Palestinians have never been told by their supporters that it is morally repugnant and diplomatically lethal to engage in a “pay to slay” program through which terrorists and their families were financially rewarded with $183 million in 2017, for example, garnered from foreign aid heaped on the Palestinians, purportedly for humanitarian aid.
No one has written a constitution for the new Palestinian state, brought together Fatah and Hamas to form a recognized ruling party, and urged Palestinian leaders to sit at the negotiation table with Israel to facilitate the creation of their new state.
In fact, based on their actions over decades of debate and negotiation, it seems very clear that the two-state solution is something the Palestinians can neither conceive of nor even appear to want. And the notion of “two states living sides by side in peace,” as the oft-repeated refrain goes, is, and always has been, of complete irrelevance to the Arabs. The creation of a new Arab state is not the sought-after goal; what is the actual goal is the extirpation of the Jewish one.
In debating the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict, social justice activists, of course, demonstrate their hypocrisy by endlessly dwelling on the many evils of Israel without bothering to examine or measure the Palestinians’ own central role in contributing to the many pathologies endemic to their civil society and institutions. Like many Western elites do when choosing sides, social justice warriors infantilize the Palestinian victim and assume he has no agency to ameliorate his own conditions.
In reality, pro-Palestinian activists seem to care very little about the actual self-determination and state building of the hapless Palestinians. As is frequently the case when speaking about the Israeli/Arab conflict, the discussion often glosses over the real problems of Palestinian culture, politics, and society (including its cult of death, terrorism, and martyrdom), and targets all criticism on the perceived defects of Israel, Zionism, and Jewish power. This is a clear example of another underlying factor in the social justice effort, the soft bigotry of low Palestinian expectations.
Many academics in the humanities and social sciences, including activists as disparate as Black Lives Matter, Students for Justice in Palestine, and the National Association of Women’s Studies, increasingly find a linkage as they seek to affirm the rights of the victimized and name the villains responsible for this oppression—foremost among them, Israel.
The more that seemingly unrelated instances of oppression can be conflated, it is thought, the greater the ability to confront these oppressors and dilute the negative effect they have on their specific victims and on society at large. This trend has been called “intersectionality,” and it has meant that someone who is a gender studies professor, or queer theorist, or American studies expert can, with no actual knowledge or expertise about the Middle East, readily pontificate on the many social pathologies of which he or she accuses Israel, based on its perceived role as a racist, imperialist, colonial oppressor of an innocent indigenous population of Arab victims. For social justice warriors, to know one victim group is to know any victim group—with Israel being a tempting and habitual target of their opprobrium.
That has meant, as one vexatious example, that the notoriously anti-Israel Jewish Voice for Peace, working in concert with Students for Justice in Palestine and other campus radicals, have promoted the mendacious “Deadly Exchange” lie which accuses Israel of being complicit in promoting racist violence in the United States by training police officers on how to arrest and neutralize black suspects, using the techniques and procedures gleaned from their long oppression of Palestinians. So, the brutality, racism, and cruelty of Israel is so malignant and powerful that it negatively affects blacks in America and the intersectional circle of oppression is closed in this perverse narrative.
When they are honest, which is a rare occurrence, BDS supporters finally admit that their ultimate objective is the smashing of Zionism and the destruction of the Jewish state (the “Palestine will be free, from the River to the Sea” fantasy they frequently chant about in their demonstrations). They may well “seek freedom, justice and equality” for the long-aggrieved Palestinians, but it is very evident to any sentient observer that their concern for justice and equity does not extend to Jews living in Israel, since if the BDS campaign were to be successful and Israel was extirpated in the name of Palestinian self-determination, those Jews who were not slaughtered during the destruction of their state would become second-class citizens in the newest Arab state, and an independent Jewish democracy would evaporate in activists’ toxic dream of autonomous Arab sovereignty for the Palestinians.
Pro-Palestinian radicals are quick to critique the strategy and tactics of their ideological opponents who support the Jewish state but fail to notice that their behavior precisely mirrors that of the individuals who they denounce. “This strategy of personal attacks, defamation and the suppression of free speech is one that is being used by Zionist organizations on campuses across the country,” Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) at Butler University whined about in a recent newspaper column, failing to notice that their speech, and that of their fellow travelers in the hate-Israel crowd, is not being suppressed at all, merely answered back by those with alternate, pro-Israel views. It would be very convenient for them, of course, to not have to defend their poisonous ideology and their relentless — and baseless — slanders against Israel, and if they want to engage in serious and productive debate about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, then they will have to come to the table equipped to use facts, reason, and history to support their arguments, something which they are rarely inclined to do.
Victim groups on campus, including the pro-Palestinians, claim that they join forces to fight for justice, equity, and liberation, that, as SJP disingenuously claimed, “The fight against anti-Semitism must be linked to the wider fight against oppression — including the fight against Palestinian oppression.” But it is the pro-Palestinians who are singularly responsible for the majority of hostility on campuses today, not some other, vaguely defined and mostly invisible group of white supremacists, fascists, or right-wing lunatics that haunt the liberal mind.
In fact, as studies by the AMCHA Initiative, as one example, have shown, it is the presence of groups like SJP on campuses that is directly responsible for fomenting anti-Semitic expression and behavior on university campuses, not white supremacists. The AMCHA Initiative, a group that monitors more than 400 college campuses across the U.S. for anti-Semitic activity, revealed in its reports that “Schools with instances of student-produced anti-Zionist expression, including BDS promotion, are 7 times more likely to have incidents that targeted Jewish students for harm than schools with no evidence of students’ anti-Zionist expression and the more such anti-Zionist expression, the higher the likelihood of incidents involving anti-Jewish hostility,” meaning that BDS activism spreads outward on a campus, tainting the overall environment for Jewish students who may or may not even be directly involved in the Israeli/Palestinian debate.
Equally serious was the report’s findings that SJP’s presence resulted in “incidents of Israel-related anti-Semitic harassment increase[ing] 70%.” And, based on SJP’s obsession with calls to boycott only Israel and suppress any and all dialogue in support of Israel, Zionism, or Jews—SJP’s actions on campuses have the end effect that “attempts to exclude Jewish and pro-Israel students from campus activities more than doubled, with expression calling for the total boycott or exclusion of pro-Israel students from campus life nearly tripling.”
So when, with not a bit of self-awareness or embarrassment, pro-Palestinians accuse the administration of being a sinister cabal of Zionist reprobates intent on promulgating racist policies for the good of Israel and to the detriment of good people like themselves (people who deserve, among other benefits, education without cost); when they call for the elimination of the world’s single Jewish sovereignty and Middle East’s only functioning democracy; and when they ghoulishly and malignantly shriek, “Intifada, Intifada, long live Intifada” and “There is only one solution: Intifada revolution!,” an unambiguous call for the murder of Jews at the hands of psychopathic terrorists, they should stop being indignant when they are accused of being actually antisemitic, despite the fact that their rhetoric is draped in the language of so-called “social justice.”
Since its founding in 1993, SJP has had a long history of bringing vitriolic anti-Israel speakers to their respective campuses (now numbering some 200 with chapters), and for such collateral activities as sponsoring the pernicious Israeli Apartheid Weeks, building mock “apartheid walls,” and sending mock eviction notices to Jewish students in their dorms to demonize Israel and create empathy for the Palestinian Arab cause.
SJP has a record on campuses nationwide of a pattern of radicalism, misbehavior, toxic speech, and regular instances of overtly antisemitic behavior. AMCHA reports also “indicate a significant increase in actions which directly harm or threaten Jewish students, including physical and verbal assaults, destruction of property, harassment discrimination and suppression of speech, at schools with an SJP or similar anti-Zionist chapter.”
At the University of Toronto, Scarborough, anti-Israel students voted to forbid Kosher food on campus unless the suppliers disavowed support for Israel. CUNY law students just introduced a resolution condemning Birthright trips to Israel, as well as Stand With Us, Hillel, and other Jewish, pro-Israel groups as dangerous and destructive and wishes them purged from campus, along with any Zionist ideology or support for the Jewish state.
At McGill, based on their spurious charges that Israel is a colonial, apartheid, racist regime engaged in ethnic cleansing, land theft, and an ongoing genocide of an indigenous people, anti-Israel groups and individuals outrageously petitioned the administration that, in light of these accusations, any pro-Israel ideology or expression on campus should henceforth be considered to be hate speech, or as they defined it, “violent, hateful, and harmful speech.” And to ensure that scholars in Israel are cut off from cooperative research and study between universities, including McGill, these woke and most tolerant activists demanded that the University “cut its ties with . . . Israeli education institutions that seek to normalize the atrocities committed by the illegal state of Israel, specifically through their partnerships with Tel Aviv University and the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology.”
And while Zionism, Jewish self-determination, is under attack on campuses across the country and in Canada, pro-Palestinian activists, nevertheless, claim that their hostility towards Zionism has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and their loathing of the world’s only Jewish state has nothing to do with Jew-hatred.
That these campus activists are willing, and ready, to sacrifice the Jewish state, and Jewish lives, in the name of social justice and a specious campaign of self-determination by Palestinian Arabs, shows how morally corrupt and deadly the conversation about human rights has become.
And that their dangerous and toxic activism is often genocidal in promoting the destruction of the Middle East’s only democracy, this odious campaign for social justice social should frighten us all.
What Being Pro-Palestinian Really Means | Frontpagemag
No, its you that pushes the trope that criticizing Israeli apartheid is antisemitic.
45% say it 'somewhat' and 'very much' fits the definition of apartheid in your chart.
Which is why B'tselem, who issued the report, put this as their headline.
New all population Israeli-Palestinian survey: 45% of those living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea believe “apartheid” is an appropriate description of the regime
My claim is perfectly accurate and backed up by the chart you posted and the original survey.
Israel also claims Defense for Children are terrorists.
The Canadian Government also says that Kahanists like the Religious Zionist Party are terrorists.
They are now part of the elected government of Israel.
Far-right party set to gain new influence after Israeli vote
JERUSALEM (AP) — An alliance of far-right groups including openly racist and homophobic candidates appears poised to enter Israel's parliament, possibly as an indispensable member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's right-wing coalition, according to exit polls Tuesday.
apnews.com
'Racist and reprehensible': Jewish Power set to enter Israel's parliament
Early results suggest far-right alliance will take more seats than predicted
www.theguardian.com
Are you going to say you are as equally against DCI and the government of Israel now?
Or are you going to admit that you use this attack to justify attacking Palestinians by labelling them 'terrorists' and that you are ok with some terrorists but not others?
I stand for the rule of law, take them all to the ICC and let the courts decide who has committed war crimes.
Why won't you stand for both sides to be treated equally before the courts?
Sadly you took a couple months off from your crusade and instead of learning anything new, you've returned with the strawiest of strawmen.
It's not my fault that you hit so many of the points on Canada's definition of antisemitism.
So you get exposed with the actual data from that survey and you respond with the same trash. No surprise.
What does that have to do with Canada?
Hamas are terrorists as defined by Canada.
Islamic Jihad are terrorists as defined by Canada.
Part of Fatah are terrorists as defined by Canada.
PFLP are terrorists as defined by Canada (including their members on the board of PFLP).
And sorry to bust another of your lies but you well know that the fringe party with one seat IS NOT in the government and is not defined as terrorists by Canada. I have no problem to agree that Kach is a terrorist group; why can you not admit all the groups above are terrorists?
p.s. That 1 seat right wing party isn't part of the governing coalition but an Islamic Arab party is despite your apartheid bullshit.
You have no problem condemning everything about Israel without an ICC ruling but refuse to condemn any Palestinian actions without the ICC. Just a clear example of why Canada's definition of antisemitism fits you.
Wait, first you say that criticism of Israel is not antisemitic and now you accuse me of antisemitism for criticizing Israel based off views from IJVCanada?
The data, which I posted, confirms the headlines posted by B'tselem and the international press.
45% of those living under Israeli rule say Israel is apartheid.
Yet you still back this apartheid state.
No,, I call you anti-Semitic for repeatedly giving example sunder Canada's definition of anti-Semitism.
- Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
- Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
- Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
- Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
- Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
- Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
p.s. Love how you keep posting that 45% bullshit despite being exposed with the raw data.
Be specific, basketcase, if you are going to make an accusation that would result in banning you need to back up your claims or you yourself risk being banned for trolling or false accusations.
I criticize Israeli government policy, you stated that's not antisemitic.
If you can't back up your claims, then it'll have to be me reporting you to the mods.
Your posting history speaks for itself.
But you can clarify right now.
1) Have you not repeatedly claimed that Jewish civilians in the West Bank aren't actually civilians and therefore justifiable targets?
2) Have you not repeatedly posted about Jewish lobby groups controlling Canadian and US foreign policy and justified a post by an American politician about Jews and money even after she admitted it played into anti-Semitic tropes?
3) Have you not repeatedly suggested that Canadian Jews are more interested in protecting Israel than supporting things in their country?
4) Are you not now going on about Palestinians having a right to self-determination but not Jews in Israel? Do you not endlessly call Israel a racist colonial endeavour?\
5) You just posted complaining that a fringe party with one seat in Israel's government that has a ideological connection with a terrorist group while ignoring that Hamas is a terrorist group as is the armed wing of Fatah?
6) You have repeatedly tried to compare Israel to Nazis.
7) Did you not post that a Canadian Rabbi should be required to condemn Israel when he was talking about the anti-Indigenous history in Canada?
Too easy.
To add, the Canadian government DOES NOT say Kahanists are terrorists. They say KACH is. Fact is, Israel also bans Kach. In my opinion, that fringe party is racist but terrorism (by the Canadian definition) involves planning and conducting terrorist attacks.
And speaking of double standard, it doesn't seem to bother you that the terrorist group Hamas is the entire government of Gaza and that the terrorist groups Islamic Jihad, PFLP etc. are all parties in the Palestinian political system.
1) You have stated that Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians are acting as terrorists. You have also claimed that calling Palestinians 'terrorists' makes them justifiable targets. Are you now saying this applies only to Palestinians and not Jewish 'settlers' committing terrorism? Are you claiming that Palestinians living under an illegal occupation don't have a right to self defence from people you label as 'terrorists'?
2) No. I've posted about the influence of AIPAC but also posted repeatedly, if not more often, about organizations like IJVCanada, Yesh Din and Ifnotnow and their growing influences. Posting about lobbying successes and failures is not a trope.
3) No, I've never posted any such thing.
4) I continually call for a one state solution with equal rights for all, including Palestinians, Christians, Jews and everyone else living there. I oppose apartheid and different rights based on race and repeatedly call for you to support equal rights for all peoples there, but its only you that refuses to answer that call, not me. It appears to be you that is against equal rights.
5) You also posted that you think Defence For Children International are terrorists and now you think its ok to have some terrorists in your government? The use of the term 'terrorist' is used only to dehumanize other peoples, to use it as a justification for taking away basic human rights and/or killing them. I don't support the use of this term for anyone. I say take Hamas and the leaders of the Israeli government to the ICC and have them investigated and charged for all war crimes. That's not supporting any form of terrorism or even supporting just one terrorist in your government, that's supporting the rule of law for all equally.
6) No I haven't. The closest I've come is to repeat other calls that Gaza is the 'world's largest open air prison' and becoming the Gaza 'ghetto'. That is not calling anyone a Nazi, even if they support apartheid.
7) No, all I did was point out that calling out Canada for settler colonialism while defending settler colonialism in Israel is hypocritical. Why would you support settler colonialism in one country but not another and then claim to be against it? Why do you continue to do so and then act shocked when you're called out for supporting settler colonialism?
I post criticism of Israeli policy as reported by internationally respected human rights organizations, Israeli human rights organizations, politicians and media. I also post from Canadian and American Jewish organizations that don't support apartheid. Are you claiming that IJVCanada is antisemitic?
I back Canadian rights and equal treatment before the law.
The Toronto I live in and the people I know back this.
Like this.
You have also claimed Defence for Children International are terrorists.
The only reason you use the term is to justify human rights abuses on those oppressed by an illegal occupation and apartheid.
For instance, you have repeatedly stated that Jewish settlers attacking Palestinians are committing terrorism.
B'stelem just recently came out with a report detailing how this settler violence is actually state policy.
Which means the state of Israel is actively committing what you have labelled as 'terrorism'.
Settler Violence = State Violence
Since occupying the West Bank in 1967, Israel has misappropriated more than 2 million dunams of land there for its own purposes, including building and expanding settlements and paving roads for settlers. Some areas have been officially taken over by the state, others through daily acts of...
Over the last 2 years B'tselem has reported 450 attacks you call 'terrorism' by settlers.
Israel troops ‘watched, joined settler attacks’ on Palestinians
Israeli forces are not intervening to stop the attacks in most cases, and often actively join in, B’Tselem says.
Why do you post only about Hamas when clearly this is the larger case of what you call 'terrorism'?
yes. That does not mean attacks on random Jews are justified like you are trying to claim.
Bullshit. People in the act of a terrorist attack are definitely fair game. members of a terrorist organization involved in attacks are also legitimate targets.
Not sure how you think that attacks on random people because they are Jews has anything to do with those.
And once again you try and label attacks on Jewish civilians as self defense. Thank you for proving my point. And we're talking about who Canada labels as terrorists here.
among many other things. thank you for admitting your views is Jews have an undue influence in American (and Canadian) politics and us ethat influence to direct foreign policy.
So why have you repeately suggeste dotherwise?
Except for when you don't. You just said it was wrong to "take away" Israeli Arab's self determination but you continually reject that 'right' to Jews. And then there's that whole thing of you ignoring that most Palestinians and most Jewish israelis don;t want that farce you demand they have. You are also never critical of Palestinian factions or groups that oppose an egalitarian One state - back to that double standard.
You lies are pathetic. I stated that there are PFLP members on the board of DCIP and PFLP is a terrorist organization. Sadly you still fixate that there is one racist politician in Israel that you pretend is a terrorist while ignoring that Hamas and a faction of Fatah are terrorists.
He never defended anything about Israel. You just felt he needed to comment on Israel when talking about Canadian issues.
You post criticism of Israeli existing and refuse to apply any criticisms to Palestinian factions.
As I said before, you just don't like Canada's definition of anti-semitism because you hit so many of the points on it.[/QUOTE]
Your lies are stupid and you don't even believe I said that.
I showed evidence there are PFLP members on the board of DCIP.
PFLP, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah's armed wing are terrorists according to Canada and that's why I call them terrorists.
Currently listed entities
Introduction to the terms of reference and listing of terrorist entities according to Canada's Anti-Terrorism Act
1) You are claiming that Palestinians in the Occupied Territories of Palestine do not have the right to self defence against what B'tselem has reported as state policy and that you have called 'terrorism'. That's another form of apartheid where you claim Jewish settlers have the right to self defence while the indigenous Palestinian population does not.
2) My stance is that the ICC should be called in to investigate both sides, from Hamas to the Israeli government, including settlers acting with the support of the state and Palestinians when they target settlers who are acting as civilians, even if they are illegal squatters implementing settler colonialism. international law says that Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation and the the occupiers do not have a right to 'self defence', instead they are morally bound to take care of those they occupy by military force. Neither side is allowed to target civilians and both should be charged for doing so.
3) We are not talking about 'random people', we are talking about one class of illegal settlers who act as civilians and should not be targeted and one class of illegal settlers who are targeting Palestinian civilians with the backing of the IDF and acting as terrorists, as you called them. All settlements are illegal under international law.
How settler violence is fuelling West Bank tension
As attacks on Palestinians worsen, we speak to farmers, settlers, Israeli human rights activists, and the mother of a three-year-old boy left injured in a raid
www.theguardian.com
No I didn't. Both sides need to step down, but the vast majority of violence being committed over the last years has been by illegal settlers and the IDF, not Palestinians.
Attacks on civilians are bad yet you only call out Palestinians despite the very vast majority of attacks being committed by illegal settlers with the backing of the IDF.
Until you call for charges on both sides or for both sides to step down you are supporting violence, not me.
Israel troops ‘watched, joined settler attacks’ on Palestinians
Israeli forces are not intervening to stop the attacks in most cases, and often actively join in, B’Tselem says.
Please don't post when you've been drinking.
No people has any 'god given' right to any piece of land. Period.
The indigenous Palestinian population deserve basic human rights, including the right to self determination, as do Christians and Jews living under Israeli rule. As do all people around the world in every country, which is why its supposed to be a universal right. Taking away that right, as you defend here, is apartheid, its awarding different classes of human rights by law based on race/religion.
4 million Palestinians live under Israeli rule as stateless refugees, while another million or so live with some but not full human rights inside Israel.
Its all apartheid.
Your attempts to call me 'antisemitic' for calling for equal rights and the end of apartheid are attempts to try to shut down debate.
Nothing more.
Bring in the ICC and end apartheid.
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