Is Joe Biden after 10 months: Worst president ever?

[mandrill]

The Obama/Harris/Biden administration took over the most secure border the US had seen in decades. And in a very short time they completely obliterated that success by implementing these idiotic policies
1. They put a moratorium on all deportations.
2. They ceased construction of the border wall. Hundreds of millions of dollars of unused steel fencing is piled up along the border in Texas and Arizona.
3. They discontinued the MPP (Migrant Protection Protocol) better known as Remain in Mexico and once again instituted catch and release.
4. They discontinued the Safe Third Country agreements that the Trump Admin put in place with El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala.

The result was a surge in migrants at levels not seen for 20 years. You're correct many were turned back under Title 42 (a Trump era policy) except for some families or unaccompanied children. The Border Patrol agents have been so overwhelmed that they cannot secure the border properly. The result is likely tens of thousands of successful breaches of the border by illegal migrants, drug and gun runners.

The surge in migrant levels goes back to 2020 when Trump was in office.

There was about a mile or so of the Wall actually built IIRC.

The moratorium on deportations doesn't affect arrests of illegals or arrivees at the border. There was / is a moratorium of deporting those who had overstayed their temporary resident visas back to certain trouble spots until those countries were safe again.

Remain in Mexico is actually the current Biden administration protocol for border refugee claimants.

The "safe third country agreements" were universally decried and their suspension will have no affect on entry into the US of illegals given the Remain in Mexico policy.

The dangers of Trump’s "safe third country" agreements in Central America

The Trump administration is methodically dismantling the U.S. asylum system to slash immigration to the U.S. One of the most devastating changes the administration has introduced is negotiating agreements with Central American countries to require asylum seekers traveling through a country to...

www.afsc.org

Biden administration suspends Trump asylum deals with El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras

The Biden administration said on Saturday it was immediately suspending Trump-era asylum agreements with El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, part of a bid to undo his Republican predecessor's hardline immigration policies.

www.reuters.com

CLOSED: No Asylum Cooperative Agreements with Central America

No Asylum Cooperative Agreements with Central America Major campaign success! On February 5, 2021, the government of Guatemala announced the cancellation of their Asylum Cooperative Agreements (ACA) with the U.S. For over

nisgua.org

 

[K Douglas]

The surge in migrant levels goes back to 2020 when Trump was in office.

There was about a mile or so of the Wall actually built IIRC.

The moratorium on deportations doesn't affect arrests of illegals or arrivees at the border. There was / is a moratorium of deporting those who had overstayed their temporary resident visas back to certain trouble spots until those countries were safe again.

Remain in Mexico is actually the current Biden administration protocol for border refugee claimants.

The "safe third country agreements" were universally decried and their suspension will have no affect on entry into the US of illegals given the Remain in Mexico policy.

The dangers of Trump’s "safe third country" agreements in Central America

The Trump administration is methodically dismantling the U.S. asylum system to slash immigration to the U.S. One of the most devastating changes the administration has introduced is negotiating agreements with Central American countries to require asylum seekers traveling through a country to...

www.afsc.org

Biden administration suspends Trump asylum deals with El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras

The Biden administration said on Saturday it was immediately suspending Trump-era asylum agreements with El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, part of a bid to undo his Republican predecessor's hardline immigration policies.

www.reuters.com

CLOSED: No Asylum Cooperative Agreements with Central America

No Asylum Cooperative Agreements with Central America Major campaign success! On February 5, 2021, the government of Guatemala announced the cancellation of their Asylum Cooperative Agreements (ACA) with the U.S. For over

nisgua.org

No it doesn't There was a surge in 2019 but in 2020 it dropped dramatically.
You're saying under four years of Trump only a mile of wall was ever built? What a load of bullshit. Hundreds of miles of wall was built despite Congress resistance.
Remain in Mexico was not the protocol until Dec 2 reinstatement.
Obama/Harris/Biden policy emboldened migrants to come to the border. I saw many being interviewed and they openly admitted it.

 

[mandrill]

No it doesn't There was a surge in 2019 but in 2020 it dropped dramatically.
You're saying under four years of Trump only a mile of wall was ever built? What a load of bullshit. Hundreds of miles of wall was built despite Congress resistance.
Remain in Mexico was not the protocol until Dec 2 reinstatement.
Obama/Harris/Biden policy emboldened migrants to come to the border. I saw many being interviewed and they openly admitted it.

Trump wall: How much has he actually built?

What happened to President Trump's long-promised wall? How much of it got built? And how effective has it been?

www.bbc.com

Before he took office, there were 654 miles (just over 1,000km) of barrier along the southern border - made up of 354 miles of barricades to stop pedestrians and 300 miles of anti-vehicle fencing.
Now, according to US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in its 6 October status report, the southern border has 669 miles of "primary barrier" - the first structure people heading from Mexico to the US will encounter - and 65 miles of "secondary barrier" - which usually runs behind the primary structure as a further obstacle.
This means that in areas where no barricades existed before, they have built 15 miles of new, primary barrier or "border wall system", as it is called by CBP.

I'm sorry. He actually built fifteen miles of wall. I said "one mile". I was so very wrong.

The drop in 2020 was due to COVID.

What you saw was cherry-picked footage on FOX of chosen immigrants being interviewed.

Remain in Mexico was in place under Biden when I was arguing with JC several months ago.

 

[Justlookingatreviews]

The worst president is the guy he got elected over in 2020...

Well mate if you look at ratings and unemployment percentages from the Republicans time in office vs where the Democrats are at now, then you might change your mind about that. The dems only won because the dnc controls most of mainstream media and they have huge sway over social media giants.

 

[Valcazar]

the dnc controls most of mainstream media and they have huge sway over social media giants.

 

[K Douglas]

Trump wall: How much has he actually built?

What happened to President Trump's long-promised wall? How much of it got built? And how effective has it been?

www.bbc.com

Before he took office, there were 654 miles (just over 1,000km) of barrier along the southern border - made up of 354 miles of barricades to stop pedestrians and 300 miles of anti-vehicle fencing.
Now, according to US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in its 6 October status report, the southern border has 669 miles of "primary barrier" - the first structure people heading from Mexico to the US will encounter - and 65 miles of "secondary barrier" - which usually runs behind the primary structure as a further obstacle.
This means that in areas where no barricades existed before, they have built 15 miles of new, primary barrier or "border wall system", as it is called by CBP.

I'm sorry. He actually built fifteen miles of wall. I said "one mile". I was so very wrong.

The drop in 2020 was due to COVID.

What you saw was cherry-picked footage on FOX of chosen immigrants being interviewed.

Remain in Mexico was in place under Biden when I was arguing with JC several months ago.

You need to check your sources because they are clearly wrong. Or you're misinterpreting like you usually do. Its 453 miles of either new or replacement wall that was built by end of 2020. 768 miles had been funded, that fencing was there but Obama/Harris/Biden have just let it sit in piles.

https://www.12news.com/article/news/453-miles-of-trumps-border-wall-have-been-built/75-259b88b7-e596-4067-8d87-8c646ebc7674

 

[mandrill]

You need to check your sources because they are clearly wrong. Or you're misinterpreting like you usually do. Its 453 miles of either new or replacement wall that was built by end of 2020. 768 miles had been funded, that fencing was there but Obama/Harris/Biden have just let it sit in piles.

https://www.12news.com/article/news/453-miles-of-trumps-border-wall-have-been-built/75-259b88b7-e596-4067-8d87-8c646ebc7674

Go read the link yourself. It's a lot more in depth and detailed than you quoting some radio station's news department.

Leaving all that aside, the wall was criticized as being ineffective, easily scaled / breached and not cost effective.

I can say the same thing about your other points. "Remain in Mexico" isn't substantially better than allowing asylum claimants in and holding them in detention centres. Cancelling the "Safe Third Country Deals" makes sense because the 3 countries concerned are simply not "safe third countries" within any stretch of the legal definition and immigration attorneys were going to drive trucks through those deals.

Illegal immigration peaks and valleys have little to do with US policies and far more to do with conditions in the immigrant-wannabes home countries. It's like Drygala claiming that the increase in homicide in some cities this year is due to BLM. It's simply not the case.

 

[Frankfooter]

You need to check your sources because they are clearly wrong. Or you're misinterpreting like you usually do. Its 453 miles of either new or replacement wall that was built by end of 2020. 768 miles had been funded, that fencing was there but Obama/Harris/Biden have just let it sit in piles.

https://www.12news.com/article/news/453-miles-of-trumps-border-wall-have-been-built/75-259b88b7-e596-4067-8d87-8c646ebc7674

A sucker is born every minute.

From your article:
About 450 miles have been built or reconstructed so far, about half of the 1,000 miles the president promised to build throughout his term.

Most of that was just rebuilt wall, Mandrill was much closer to the correct number.
This conversation is about new wall built, not walls repaired.

 

[Dave58]

Did Mexico ever pay for this wall that Trump built
Trump is a lying, racist POS , that only cares about himself . He throws EVErYONE under the bus unless they kiss his fat ass .

 

[WyattEarp]

Border was more secure under Obama.

3, 2, 1....

Each U.S. President deals with the domestic and international issues he's dealt with his term. Obviously, the world is an extremely fluid place.

The Biden Administration needs to step up to the challenge. Voters don't care about the various forms of rhetoric to dismiss the issue. They want to see their President tackle the issue straight on. That's just simply a fact of the American electorate.

 

[WyattEarp]

Not the "letting in streams of illegal migrants through the Mexican border" theme again. Each time you do this, I offer to prove you wrong and you bail on the thread.

A week or so later, you pop up and post the same stuff. SMH.

The same with the rest of your nonsense. You're a 1-man quote machine for anything Fox puts out.

This is a repeated post (your words) that simply emphasizes you are right and another member is wrong (your words again),

No matter how byzantine U.S. immigration laws are currently, the Democrats control all three levers of power in the Federal government. This is a basic fact in this whole argument. The Democrats have the power to deal with issue, but have chose something akin to the status quo.

As I alluded to in the comment above, the Democrats will pay a price for this political miscalculation. There is no way around it.

 

[Frankfooter]

Each U.S. President deals with the domestic and international issues he's dealt with his term. Obviously, the world is an extremely fluid place.

The Biden Administration needs to step up to the challenge. Voters don't care about the various forms of rhetoric to dismiss the issue. They want to see their President tackle the issue straight on. That's just simply a fact of the American electorate.

Darn climate change refugees and refugees from countries run by right wing despots!
Biden should build another 10, no 20, miles of wall!!!!!

 

[mandrill]

This is a repeated post (your words) that simply emphasizes you are right and another member is wrong (your words again),
No matter how byzantine U.S. immigration laws are currently, the Democrats control all three levers of power in the Federal government. This is a basic fact in this whole argument. The Democrats have the power to deal with issue, but have chose something akin to the status quo.
As I alluded to in the comment above, the Democrats will pay a price for this political miscalculation. There is no way around it.

In Canada - with few or no checks and balances - no sooner said than done. In the US, you have to get that 60 vote majority in the Senate or get filibustered. That means getting ALL Dem senators on board - almost impossible, even without figuring what's the price of Sinema's and Manchin's vote on any given day - PLUS 8 (?) GOP votes. And the latter is certainly not going to happen in today's polarized climate.

And THAT is why little ever gets done in the US political system.

So blame Joe Biden, if you want. Maybe Fox News will put you on the Tucker Carlson Show.

Leaving that aside, the Dems are politically in tough on immigration issues. Let's state the obvious here. The USA has a 2,000 (?) mile border with the Third World, most of whose inhabitants would like to live in Texas or California or pretty much any of the 48 other states. At the same time, the Third World generates many legitimate asylum claims and the USA has undertaken in the UNCHR to give all of those claims due process. Those are 2 irreconcilable demands. Eventually, the US is going to resile from the UNCHR either partially or wholly. They just don't want to be seen publicly to be doing so. And in the meantime, Biden has to pretend that he takes the UNCHR seriously, when it's the last thing that's going to be politically convenient for him.

But none of the above indicates that Biden is doing a bad job on the Border. The surge of Central Americans and Haitians is NOT his fault - even though Fucker Carlson and Horse-face Ingraham repeat that continually. Enforcement is as tough under Biden as under Trump. The only advantage Trump and the GOP had is that they could be near-openly racist and their base would still cheer them on. Biden doesn't get to be so open and direct.

 

[jcpro]

Clearly Joe's on a roll and the "achievements" just keep on coming.

Bidenflation: Producer Price Index Rises by Record 9.6%, Worse Than Expected

Inflation continued to run hotter than expected in November. | Economy

www.breitbart.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Clearly Joe's on a roll and the "achievements" just keep on coming.

Bidenflation: Producer Price Index Rises by Record 9.6%, Worse Than Expected

Inflation continued to run hotter than expected in November. | Economy

www.breitbart.com

Inflation is global, but sure, blame Biden only.

Meanwhile...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/14/federal-court-has-ruled-that-obstructing-electoral-vote-count-is-illegal-trump-should-panic/

Capitol attack a ‘coordinated act of terrorism’, says DC lawsuit against far-right groups – as it happened

DC attorney general sues Proud Boys and Oathkeepers over Capitol attack

www.theguardian.com

 

[jcpro]

Inflation is global, but sure, blame Biden only.

Meanwhile...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/14/federal-court-has-ruled-that-obstructing-electoral-vote-count-is-illegal-trump-should-panic/

Capitol attack a ‘coordinated act of terrorism’, says DC lawsuit against far-right groups – as it happened

DC attorney general sues Proud Boys and Oathkeepers over Capitol attack

www.theguardian.com

I'm sure that the suffering American people will find comfort in that explanation.

 

[mikeeman]

No, the worst President ever is Donald Trump. He tried to lead a coup on false pretenses, had people riot for no real reason, and was responsible for the deaths of officers and citizens. Trump committed treason. If you ever thought that Hillary should be locked up then it logically follows Trump should be hung.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm sure that the suffering American people will find comfort in that explanation.

Just stick to believing the same people who lied to you about 1/6 and Trump.
I'm sure they'll keep that bile rising and you won't even notice its global.

By the way, the 1/6 militias have been now charged under the KKK Act.
Any comments here?

D.C. Attorney General Uses the KKK Act of 1871 to Sue Proud Boys and Oath Keepers Over 'Gutless' Jan. 6 Attack

The District of Columbia filed a federal civil lawsuit on Tuesday against two far-right groups and numerous other individuals over their alleged participation in the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol Complex.

lawandcrime.com

 

[21 Days Later]

 

[jcpro]

Just stick to believing the same people who lied to you about 1/6 and Trump.
I'm sure they'll keep that bile rising and you won't even notice its global.

By the way, the 1/6 militias have been now charged under the KKK Act.
Any comments here?

D.C. Attorney General Uses the KKK Act of 1871 to Sue Proud Boys and Oath Keepers Over 'Gutless' Jan. 6 Attack

The District of Columbia filed a federal civil lawsuit on Tuesday against two far-right groups and numerous other individuals over their alleged participation in the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol Complex.

lawandcrime.com

I know that you want so desperately to turn.attention away from Joe's mess, but the price of turkey will negate that effort. Funny, how it works, eh?