Is Joe Biden after 10 months: Worst president ever?

[mandrill]

It's why they rejected Trump so strongly.

But notice no one has voted here. This is a poll. People weren't offered a choice of who else to vote for.

Let me clarify that.
This was a poll of who people wanted to be on top of the Democratic ticket.

You will notice that Biden won.
He even won among Republicans.
Yes, an incumbent would normally dominate a poll like this, but this isn't quite the rejection of Biden as failing you want to pretend it is.

Given the plurality of opinions and candidates, old Joe is doing pretty damn well. 37% Dem and 34% Liberal and 24% Moderate isn't bad at all. All of those groups have their own favourites.

He's not dominating, mainly because it's clear he won't run again due to age. Otherwise, a strong, solid showing.

 

[Moviefan-2]

It's why they rejected Trump so strongly.

But notice no one has voted here. This is a poll. People weren't offered a choice of who else to vote for.

Let me clarify that.
This was a poll of who people wanted to be on top of the Democratic ticket.

You will notice that Biden won.
He even won among Republicans.

Yes, an incumbent would normally dominate a poll like this, but this isn't quite the rejection of Biden as failing you want to pretend it is.

Let me be equally clear.

I didn't say anything about that particular poll. I was responding to your lame attempt to blame the voters for Biden's dismal approval numbers.

The fact is Biden can't even get his own party to support him. Democrats have defeated him on everything from gun control and the minimum wage to nominees like Saule Omarova and Neera Tandem.

Furthermore, the polls clearly are bad for Biden.

For example, in the NPR/Marist poll released today, only 38% of Democrats strongly approve of the job Biden is doing.

A new poll finds major warning signs for Biden and fellow Democrats

The NPR/Marist survey has President Biden with a 42% approval rating. Americans also don't feel the direct payments or expanded child tax credits Democrats doled out helped them much.

www.npr.org

 

[Butler1000]

Absolutely.
He was told that if he withdrew from Afghanistan, the elites and the deep state would punish him and that's what is happening.

Careful V, sounds an awful lot like.....a conspiracy? And according to you that doesn't hapoen in the Democratic Party.

 

[silentkisser]

So letting in streams of illegal migrants through the Mexican border, trying to pass trillion dollar spending plans during an inflationary crisis, cancelling Keystone XL and Line 5 in Michigan while begging OPEC to produce more oil, supporting vaccine mandates, going on partisan witch hunts, politicizing the military, inaction to help stem the spike in violence in major urban centres, selecting officials based on identity not on merit (see Kamala Harris). This is what you call doing things that the country needs? Man that is seriously warped.

So man Fox news taking points, so little time. The trillion dollar spending bill is for vitally needed infrastructure. America is falling apart in many places. There are lead pipes poisoning children. There are a number of rural areas that don't have access to the internet (many in red states). And the rest of this is pretty far out of left field. Biden politicized the military??? He wasn't the one who wanted to have a military parade. He also wasn't the one who lied about saying the military was out of bullets and missiles or whatever bull shit the orange turd said. And saying Harris isn't qualified to hold office is pretty rich considering the past President and VP. Is she not worthy because she's a woman, a person of color, or both? You have the seriously warped view point if you believe all this crap you just posted.

 

[Moviefan-2]

And saying Harris isn't qualified to hold office is pretty rich considering the past President and VP. Is she not worthy because she's a woman, a person of color, or both?

You neglected to mention totally incompetent - according to her own staff.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/04/kamala-harris-staff-departures/

I can't speak for K Douglas, but if you were to ask me, I would say that totally incompetent might be a good reason to think she isn't qualified.

 

[JohnLarue]

So man Fox news taking points, so little time. The trillion dollar spending bill is for vitally needed infrastructure. America is falling apart in many places

Too bad it is filled with climate change pork
It was really about infrastructure it would have sailed through

. There are lead pipes poisoning children.

Subsidizing failed green energy programs will not fix the lead pipes

There are a number of rural areas that don't have access to the internet (many in red states).

Yeah they might get internet, but will not be able to get fuel for their tractors

And the rest of this is pretty far out of left field. Biden politicized the military???

If they force the military to go green, that will cost lives
Good luck getting an Abrams tank to run off a battery

He wasn't the one who wanted to have a military parade. He also wasn't the one who lied about saying the military was out of bullets and missiles or whatever bull shit the orange turd said. And saying Harris isn't qualified to hold office is pretty rich considering the past President and VP. Is she not worthy because she's a woman, a person of color, or both? You have the seriously warped view point if you believe all this crap you just posted.

Kamala Harris would be just as stupid if she were a white male

 

[Valcazar]

Given the plurality of opinions and candidates, old Joe is doing pretty damn well. 37% Dem and 34% Liberal and 24% Moderate isn't bad at all. All of those groups have their own favourites.

He's not dominating, mainly because it's clear he won't run again due to age. Otherwise, a strong, solid showing.

In actual truth - while trolling these people with alternate narratives is fun - the Democrats are in serious trouble.

The generic ballot is shit for the midterms and the Dems can't win just by winning, they need to win by blowouts to overcome the pro-GOP skew in the system.
It doesn't help that they refused to gerrymander aggressively in some new maps and let the maps be decided fairly. That is going to cost them seats because until gerrymandering is controlled nationally, playing fair in your state is just self-sabotaging.

That the Dems represent a bunch of different interests works against them here because lots of people who voted Dem don't feel they are getting what they want from it.
The GOP only needs to give rich people money and be racist - it is much harder to disappoint their voters.

On a purely informational note, I would love to see these polls going back in time. Have they asked this question before? What did people get? Do they only ask about incumbent presidents or do they also ask about who should lead the other ticket? As we often say, a poll on its own doesn't tell you as much as one in context. If this is asked every year at year's end for both parties, we would probably have some good info to assess this.

 

[Valcazar]

Careful V, sounds an awful lot like.....a conspiracy? And according to you that doesn't hapoen in the Democratic Party.

That's not a Democratic party conspiracy.

Of course conspiracies happen. People have agendas and there are multiple agendas in play.
The problem with your proposed conspiracies is that they are badly thought out and ignorant of forces actually in play.

But mostly in this thread I have just been amusing myself complicating the idiotically simplistic narrative of "worst president ever".
The fact remains that the polls are incredibly bad right now and on some level it doesn't matter why if they can't be changed.
A lot of the US wants to vote for fascists and authoritarians and the people who don't are split over what to do about it.
That's a bad situation to be in.

 

[Butler1000]

That's not a Democratic party conspiracy.

Of course conspiracies happen. People have agendas and there are multiple agendas in play.
The problem with your proposed conspiracies is that they are badly thought out and ignorant of forces actually in play.

But mostly in this thread I have just been amusing myself complicating the idiotically simplistic narrative of "worst president ever".
The fact remains that the polls are incredibly bad right now and on some level it doesn't matter why if they can't be changed.
A lot of the US wants to vote for fascists and authoritarians and the people who don't are split over what to do about it.
That's a bad situation to be in.

Sure it is. You don't think the Deep State actors who specifically wanted HRC and Biden in over Sanders included Democrats? I'd say the recent vote for the military budget in the house says something different. There is a deep paranoia, and a long term policy within the Pentagon and Intelligence agencies where liked minded get promoted, opposing views get fired. And that includes using the stick and carrot on politicians as they continue to build little empires within the US govt that no longer answer to elected officials.

And they are now fully integrated with the media. To promote their agendas. They don't care about the party name. You've admitted Biden was a victim of a propaganda effort. So was Obama, and so was Trump. The latter two caved on Afghanistan. Now you just need to admit it includes lots of them who are Democrats.

 

[Butler1000]

In actual truth - while trolling these people with alternate narratives is fun - the Democrats are in serious trouble.

The generic ballot is shit for the midterms and the Dems can't win just by winning, they need to win by blowouts to overcome the pro-GOP skew in the system.
It doesn't help that they refused to gerrymander aggressively in some new maps and let the maps be decided fairly. That is going to cost them seats because until gerrymandering is controlled nationally, playing fair in your state is just self-sabotaging.

That the Dems represent a bunch of different interests works against them here because lots of people who voted Dem don't feel they are getting what they want from it.
The GOP only needs to give rich people money and be racist - it is much harder to disappoint their voters.

On a purely informational note, I would love to see these polls going back in time. Have they asked this question before? What did people get? Do they only ask about incumbent presidents or do they also ask about who should lead the other ticket? As we often say, a poll on its own doesn't tell you as much as one in context. If this is asked every year at year's end for both parties, we would probably have some good info to assess this.

They could also try keeping promises.......

 

[silentkisser]

Too bad it is filled with climate change pork
It was really about infrastructure it would have sailed through

Not, the GOP would have fought it tooth and nail regardless of what was in it. Passing it was a victory for Biden, and they just couldn't have that happen. What I think you fail to grasp is the world is moving away from fossil fuels. It might not happen overnight, and it will disrupt a lot of industrial sectors, but this something that should've been done years ago.

Subsidizing failed green energy programs will not fix the lead pipes

The bill has specific funds earmarked for this. But this is something that will improve many communities beyond Flint, MI, and should have been done years ago. And it isn't a failed program. Could it fail? Sure, if the GOP keeps screwing with it. I mean, they're conservatives, but wouldn't it be nice if they cared about a changing world that they cannot stop? Pretty narrow thinking to believe the oil and gas will be the fuel forever.

Yeah they might get internet, but will not be able to get fuel for their tractors

Again, where do you get this from? I hate to break it to you, but John Deere and all the other heavy equipment operators are making electric versions of their tractors. And oil and gas isn't going away tomorrow. I mean, people switched from heating their homes with coal and oil, did they suddenly freeze to death???

If they force the military to go green, that will cost lives
Good luck getting an Abrams tank to run off a battery

Again, where are you getting this from? It reeks of right-wing spin about something they do not like. I do seriously wonder how much oil money goes to these people????

Kamala Harris would be just as stupid if she were a white male

That's an unfounded accusation, and again, where is the proof? Unnamed articles about her? She was a successful lawyer and DA, was a strong debater and she surely doesn't appear to be stupid. Maybe her management style is a problem, or maybe it's not. None of us really know.

So, you've basically wrote a bunch of bullshit that has no facts. Sure, things could go off the rails with the bills they've passed. But if you actually read the bill, and not rely on Fox News, this will help the US in many ways, and not just Red States. It's something Trump could never get done, though I'm sure he'd love to take credit for it somehow...

 

[Butler1000]

Not, the GOP would have fought it tooth and nail regardless of what was in it. Passing it was a victory for Biden, and they just couldn't have that happen. What I think you fail to grasp is the world is moving away from fossil fuels. It might not happen overnight, and it will disrupt a lot of industrial sectors, but this something that should've been done years ago.



The bill has specific funds earmarked for this. But this is something that will improve many communities beyond Flint, MI, and should have been done years ago. And it isn't a failed program. Could it fail? Sure, if the GOP keeps screwing with it. I mean, they're conservatives, but wouldn't it be nice if they cared about a changing world that they cannot stop? Pretty narrow thinking to believe the oil and gas will be the fuel forever.


Again, where do you get this from? I hate to break it to you, but John Deere and all the other heavy equipment operators are making electric versions of their tractors. And oil and gas isn't going away tomorrow. I mean, people switched from heating their homes with coal and oil, did they suddenly freeze to death???


Again, where are you getting this from? It reeks of right-wing spin about something they do not like. I do seriously wonder how much oil money goes to these people????



That's an unfounded accusation, and again, where is the proof? Unnamed articles about her? She was a successful lawyer and DA, was a strong debater and she surely doesn't appear to be stupid. Maybe her management style is a problem, or maybe it's not. None of us really know.

So, you've basically wrote a bunch of bullshit that has no facts. Sure, things could go off the rails with the bills they've passed. But if you actually read the bill, and not rely on Fox News, this will help the US in many ways, and not just Red States. It's something Trump could never get done, though I'm sure he'd love to take credit for it somehow...

Watch as when that money hits the State and local level its redirected to wealthier neighbourhoods and to new developments for water.

And Kamala couldn't win her own state. Was outpolled by Andrew Yang. She got destroyed by Tulsi in the debates. She is fine when she has rehearsed her lines but all of her press since show when asked a question she is unprepared. She has a history dating back to CA of not prepping and blaming communications staff. This is just the latest.

At this point she is a prime example of Peter Principle in action.

 

[JohnLarue]

Not, the GOP would have fought it tooth and nail regardless of what was in it.

do not be ridiculous
It is the responsibility of all members of congress to vet spending bills

The democrates wanted to tie the infrastructure bill to the $3 trillion dollar spending bill , which has since been watered down
What's in Democrats' $1.75 trillion social spending and climate bill? - CBS News
What's in the Build Back Better Act framework

• Fighting climate change- (this is so ridiculous)
• Child care and universal pre-K
• Medicare expansion
• Extended child tax credit
• 4 weeks of paid family and medical leave
• Immigration
• Housing and health care provisions

What was cut from the bill?

• Two free years of community college
• Cutting prescription drug prices

It is a repackaging of the lunatic AOC's green new deal , save the attack on the cows and airlines

Passing it was a victory for Biden, and they just couldn't have that happen. What I think you fail to grasp is the world is moving away from fossil fuels

What you fail to grasp is that there is no way in hell solar and wind will displace fossil fuels
Not even close

Despite what you think, ideology and propaganda can not change the fundamental laws of nature

.It might not happen overnight, and it will disrupt a lot of industrial sectors, but this something that should've been done years ago.

Nope it aint going to happen
The only source with a ghost of a chance is nuclear and the loonies will fight that tooth and nail

The bill has specific funds earmarked for this. But this is something that will improve many communities beyond Flint, MI, and should have been done years ago. And it isn't a failed program. Could it fail? Sure, if the GOP keeps screwing with it. I mean, they're conservatives, but wouldn't it be nice if they cared about a changing world that they cannot stop? Pretty narrow thinking to believe the oil and gas will be the fuel forever.

Pretty narrow thinking that you can just wish away oil and gas It is damn foolish thinking to believe this can be accomplished with wind and solar

Again, where do you get this from? I hate to break it to you, but John Deere and all the other heavy equipment operators are making electric versions of their tractors. And oil and gas isn't going away tomorrow. I mean, people switched from heating their homes with coal and oil, did they suddenly freeze to death???

oil is not dependent on grid stability and oil is not intermittent like wind and solar
Where is the farmer expected to plug this tractor in while plowing 500 acres ? The nearest tree?
Are you going to install hundreds of thousands of substations to get the extra juice to farmland across the world?
That would be a waste as the switch over of ICE cars to EV cars in the cities alone would crash the grids
The impact of farmers switching from affordable FF to electric would be unbelievably inflation (even if it were physically possible)

Again, where are you getting this from? It reeks of right-wing spin about something they do not like.

I do seriously wonder how much oil money goes to these people????
EnPowered | Combating climate change: How the US military is going green (getenpowered.com)

They will get their asses kicked

That's an unfounded accusation, and again, where is the proof? Unnamed articles about her? She was a successful lawyer and DA, was a strong debater and she surely doesn't appear to be stupid. Maybe her management style is a problem, or maybe it's not. None of us really know.

Kamala Harris is a very weird person (nypost.com)
Kamala Harris Needs to Get Serious - WSJ
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 'Dumb and Dumber' Billboard Goes Viral (newsweek.com)
The Daily Stupid: Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, Race-Based Medical Treatment, and Rules for Role-Playing - Bounding Into Comics
Kamala Harris 'finished' after border question triggers tense exchange: Perry - YouTube

Or you can listen to her, if you can stomach the shallowness

So, you've basically wrote a bunch of bullshit that has no facts. Sure, things could go off the rails with the bills they've passed. But if you actually read the bill, and not rely on Fox News, this will help the US in many ways, and not just Red States. It's something Trump could never get done, though I'm sure he'd love to take credit for it somehow...

[/QUOTE]

Look
this has nothing to do with what Fox news or CNN say
The worlds energy consumption is based upon fossil fuels 80-85%
it will be a miracle if that can be reduced to 70%
Then the girds will start failing and/ or they will run out of key materials..

Meanwhile the inflationary impacts will have destroyed a lot of lives
The ideological loonies will be replaced with pragmatic politicians who will listen to some skeptical scientists

 

[Valcazar]

Sure it is. You don't think the Deep State actors who specifically wanted HRC and Biden in over Sanders included Democrats?

Of course.
They also didn't rig the vote in the primary.

I'd say the recent vote for the military budget in the house says something different. There is a deep paranoia, and a long term policy within the Pentagon and Intelligence agencies where liked minded get promoted, opposing views get fired. And that includes using the stick and carrot on politicians as they continue to build little empires within the US govt that no longer answer to elected officials.

And they are now fully integrated with the media. To promote their agendas. They don't care about the party name. You've admitted Biden was a victim of a propaganda effort. So was Obama, and so was Trump. The latter two caved on Afghanistan. Now you just need to admit it includes lots of them who are Democrats.

Of course it does.
There is a foreign policy Blob and it has been bipartisan for ages.
It is well represented in the elite media and it has significant power, which it is flexing here.
If you actually paid attention and understood politics, you would know this is understood and stop treating it like some magical power controlled by mythical cabals.

Not, the GOP would have fought it tooth and nail regardless of what was in it.

The only reason they were able to break off that one bit and pass it with some Republicans was because it was a shot to stop the rest of it.
If the only bill had been the so-called "roads and bridges" one, it would have been shut down and not gotten past the filibuster.

 

[K Douglas]

Not the "letting in streams of illegal migrants through the Mexican border" theme again. Each time you do this, I offer to prove you wrong and you bail on the thread.

A week or so later, you pop up and post the same stuff. SMH.

The same with the rest of your nonsense. You're a 1-man quote machine for anything Fox puts out.

You've offered shit. If you can't see what's going on at the border you're in complete denial. Just like the Obama/Harris/Biden admin.

 

[K Douglas]

So man Fox news taking points, so little time. The trillion dollar spending bill is for vitally needed infrastructure. America is falling apart in many places. There are lead pipes poisoning children. There are a number of rural areas that don't have access to the internet (many in red states). And the rest of this is pretty far out of left field. Biden politicized the military??? He wasn't the one who wanted to have a military parade. He also wasn't the one who lied about saying the military was out of bullets and missiles or whatever bull shit the orange turd said. And saying Harris isn't qualified to hold office is pretty rich considering the past President and VP. Is she not worthy because she's a woman, a person of color, or both? You have the seriously warped view point if you believe all this crap you just posted.

The actual true infrastructure spending in the bill is less than $200B. The rest is a hodgepodge of non essential stupid liberal pet projects.

 

[mandrill]

You've offered shit. If you can't see what's going on at the border you're in complete denial. Just like the Obama/Harris/Biden admin.

What’s happening at the U.S.-Mexico border in 7 charts

The U.S. Border Patrol reported more than 1.6 million encounters with migrants along the U.S.-Mexico border in the 2021 fiscal year.

www.pewresearch.org

Border arrests have soared under Biden. He uses the same legal framework as Trump and arrests and deports far more people. There's absolutely no basis to suggest that Biden is "soft on the border".

US migrant detentions soar despite Biden’s campaign promise

President vowed end to ‘prolonged’ detention but number of detainees has more than doubled since end of February

www.theguardian.com

 

[Butler1000]

Of course.
They also didn't rig the vote in the primary.



Of course it does.
There is a foreign policy Blob and it has been bipartisan for ages.
It is well represented in the elite media and it has significant power, which it is flexing here.
If you actually paid attention and understood politics, you would know this is understood and stop treating it like some magical power controlled by mythical cabals.



The only reason they were able to break off that one bit and pass it with some Republicans was because it was a shot to stop the rest of it.
If the only bill had been the so-called "roads and bridges" one, it would have been shut down and not gotten past the filibuster.

Dude, I have never said its a cabal. But in admitting this you admit the Dems are just as complicit. And you need to stop saying the Dems are "better". They are just hypocrites trying to play being good guys while not actually getting much done.

And in 2016 they did rig it. HRC paid off the 9 millon DNC debt in exchange for the control of the communucation. And note no one ran against her of any consequence. Until Sanders elevated himself and almost beat her. But they did attempt to control the outcome. They tried to coronate her.

And its one of the reasons she lost.

 

[K Douglas]

What’s happening at the U.S.-Mexico border in 7 charts

The U.S. Border Patrol reported more than 1.6 million encounters with migrants along the U.S.-Mexico border in the 2021 fiscal year.

www.pewresearch.org

Border arrests have soared under Biden. He uses the same legal framework as Trump and arrests and deports far more people. There's absolutely no basis to suggest that Biden is "soft on the border".

US migrant detentions soar despite Biden’s campaign promise

President vowed end to ‘prolonged’ detention but number of detainees has more than doubled since end of February

www.theguardian.com

The Obama/Harris/Biden administration took over the most secure border the US had seen in decades. And in a very short time they completely obliterated that success by implementing these idiotic policies
1. They put a moratorium on all deportations.
2. They ceased construction of the border wall. Hundreds of millions of dollars of unused steel fencing is piled up along the border in Texas and Arizona.
3. They discontinued the MPP (Migrant Protection Protocol) better known as Remain in Mexico and once again instituted catch and release.
4. They discontinued the Safe Third Country agreements that the Trump Admin put in place with El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala.

The result was a surge in migrants at levels not seen for 20 years. You're correct many were turned back under Title 42 (a Trump era policy) except for some families or unaccompanied children. The Border Patrol agents have been so overwhelmed that they cannot secure the border properly. The result is likely tens of thousands of successful breaches of the border by illegal migrants, drug and gun runners aka future illegal Democratic Party voters.

 

[kherg007]

Border was more secure under Obama.

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