Is Joe Biden after 10 months: Worst president ever?
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Because we have social programs doesn't make us socialist.
What makes us socialist in Canada are things like Bill C-10, attempting to achieve gender equality through quotas, our pandering to Muslim groups, controlling the economy through a green energy agenda etc...
Correction it wasn't Trump who handed Biden the economy it was the global pandemic and the blue state Governors that forced lockdowns forever.
Imagine the growth were Biden to not have killed Keystone pipeline, forced vaccine mandates on governments and private businesses with over 100 employees or enforced the laws at the southern border.
How is that "socialism"?
"Socialism" is traditional, left-of-centre, mid-20th Century economic based policy, usually with heavy trade union support and redistributivist in its intentions.
What you are talking about is a ludicrously distorted list of what you believe Canada's "socially progressive" policies are. It's nonsense like your posts often are. Let's start discussing what you just wrote. How does our government "pander to Muslim groups"?
Looking forward to reading your sources on this topic.
How did the "forced vaccine mandates" delay economic growth?.... Surely all that had to happen was that the employees got vaxxed - the way they damn well should for everyone's safety.
And Biden DOES enforce the Border. We talked about this before and you suddenly bailed out of the thread on me.
It WAS Trump who handed Biden the economy that had numerous Americans out of work due to the Pandemic. It was just NOT the Blue States but also the Red States that was suffering with high unemployment rates and a struggling business sector.
But you are hilarious to talk about that particular Keystone Pipeline. It was under construction and not transporting ANY OIL whatsoever. Biden just terminated the construction as the residents and the Indigenous citizens were not consulted and it was running through their backyard!! Were vaccines being administered in 2020?? Just a few vaccines were rolled out in the January under Trump and Biden accelerated it. Forced vaccine mandates is for the safety of every employee, otherwise, why were there shutdowns in packaging and other warehouses when outbreaks of the Covid-19 occurred?? Now there are far fewer such cases in fully vaccinated businesses!! Do you realize that the migrants makeup a lot of the jobs in the agricultural sectors and there is always a demand there??
Well under the Bush Administration there were incentives given to Citizens irrespective of their abilities to repay the loans. Some did not even have the jobs to pay their mortgages and all they did in the end was to hand it to the Bank to repossess it:
White House Philosophy Stoked Mortgage Bonfire (Published 2008)
President Bush, who vowed to spread the dream of homeownership, is leaving office amid a downturn rooted in the housing sector he so ardently championed.
You should really mention the oil price hikes or huge drops to those on usual right wingers who constantly blame the Governments for it. Look at this thread and see the manner in which they are blasting Biden for the huge rises in prices at the pumps.
Obama did spend on infrastructure, affordable healthcare and bailed out the auto sectors that helped to save sectors of the industries that were in a dire situation. Trump even blasted Obama for bailing out the auto sector. However, it is a thriving industry. The fact is that the economy recovered under his watch and it needed two terms to achieve it due to the dire situation that he inherited.
Once again I showed you the Official Gross Domestic Product Figures and it was higher under Trudeau prior to the Pandemic and it definitely indicated an overall growth in the Gross GDP.
Even if you look at your chart in 2015 with that dramatic drop from 2014, and compare it to the 2020, it is obvious that there was an expansion in the GDP.
You don't have to.imagone because this growth has been realized under savior Biden
Wait, what was wrong with the Wharton study that you first posted that essentially blamed the Fed and easy money for creating the bubble? You simply went to a liberal media outlet to cancel out your previous post. Anyways, U.S. residents can't open the NY Times articles without a subscription.Well under the Bush Administration there were incentives given to Citizens irrespective of their abilities to repay the loans. Some did not even have the jobs to pay their mortgages and all they did in the end was to hand it to the Bank to repossess it:
White House Philosophy Stoked Mortgage Bonfire (Published 2008)
President Bush, who vowed to spread the dream of homeownership, is leaving office amid a downturn rooted in the housing sector he so ardently championed.www.nytimes.com
I actually do mention that Biden is not responsible for today's high oil prices. In fact contrary to the Republican factoid that Obama was bad for U.S. domestic oil production, it increased under Obama on almost a linear trajectory with a slight blip in 2015 when prices crashed. That same linear trajectory continued under Trump. I suspect high oil prices this year will lead to strong domestic production numbers.
While Obamacare was an accomplishment in increasing accessibility to healthcare and furthering discussions about the U.S. healthcare system, it did not have an impact on overall economic growth. Infrastructure spending is kind of a yawn when considering it some new, innovative approach to fighting recessions. Also, the U.S. has a long history of government bailouts under both Republican and Democratic administrations from banks, to auto manufacturers, airlines and railroads. I believe Citibank has been bailed out either publicly or quietly at least three or four times since the 1930s. Republicans and Democrats tend to only disagree on the exact nature of the bailout and the ensuing restructuring.
Who was the first to say Too Big to Fail? Per an article published by the Cambridge University Press:
Usage of the term is often associated with a quote by Congressman Stewart McKinney, who during hearings into the bailout of Continental Illinois said, 'We have a new kind of bank. It is called too big to fail' .
I'm sorry, but that is not an insightful economic point. You are cherry-picking information when it fits your viewpoint and ignoring when it does not. I have been trying to give you an olive branch by presenting information that can be described as nonpartisan. Your religious zeal in defending your political heroes is admirable, but politicians are mostly not heroes in growing the economy.
Okay for argument's sake, let's ignore the 2015 oil prices crash affect on the Canadian economy. Business investment under Trudeau has been lower relative to recent history including the Harper years. Trust me that is not a good sign of economic health. Much of that decline can be attributed to the Alberta oil patch. But wait, we are ignoring low oil prices. Lower business investment must be Trudeau's fault. Under your methodology, we cannot accept factors beyond his policies.
Additionally using your own understanding of politicians' influence on economic metrics, Trump had a better economic performance than Trudeau including 2020. On this basis, Trump must be a better steward of the economy than Trudeau. That's really the problem with clinging to some fervent idea that politicians significantly move the short-term economy. I can cherry-pick information using a similar methodology as yours to support my politics.
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How about objective quotes...
OMG... if you supported this man...
When: Thursday, February 27
The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
When: Wednesday, June 17
The claim: The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”
When: Thursday, July 2
The claim: The pandemic is “getting under control.”
The truth: Trump’s claim came as the country’s daily cases doubled to about 50,000, a higher count than was seen at the beginning of the pandemic, and as the number continued to rise, fueled by infections in the South and the West.
Another claim: Trump celebrated a gain of 9 million jobs as “a record in the history of our country” and said that the United States had experienced “the smallest economic contraction of any major Western nation.”
The truth: The country did gain 9 million jobs from May to July—after losing more than 20 million from February to April, during the pandemic’s first surge.
The claim: A CDC study shows that “85 percent of the people wearing masks catch” the virus.
"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words." Campaign launch rally, 15/6/15
Trump on gay marriage
"It's like in golf... A lot of people - I don't want this to sound trivial - but a lot of people are switching to these really long putters, very unattractive... it's weird. You see these great players with these really long putters, because they can't sink three-footers anymore. And, I hate it. I am a traditionalist. I have so many fabulous friends who happen to be gay, but I am a traditionalist." New York Times, 1/5/11
Trump on the greatness of America
"Our country is in serious trouble. We don't have victories any more. We used to have victories but [now] we don't have them. When was the last time anybody saw us beating, let's say, China, in a trade deal? They kill us. I beat China all the time. All the time." Campaign launch rally, 15/6/15
Trump on global warming
"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." Twitter, 6/10/12
Trump on Hillary Clinton
"If Hillary Clinton can't satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?" Twitter, 16/4/15
Trump on John McCain
"[John McCain is]... not a war hero. He's a war hero - he's a war hero 'cause he was captured. I Like people that weren't captured, OK, I hate to tell you." Iowa Family Leadership Summit, 18/7/15
Should I go on??? Let me know if you need more objective quotes to show his stupidity!!!
LOL, Holy fuck, seriously? Socialism is an economic doctrine that has to do with the state controlling the means of production.
As the saying goes, the best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
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Clearly the Wharton Study posted the following:
There were signs and warnings of the above occurrence and really if the Government in charge at that time did very little to address it, then that is what caused the bubble to burst. Well the NY Times explains it all, and it has nothing to do with being part of the "Liberal Media"!!
Well that is what I have been saying all along that oil prices including demand and supply have nothing to do with the Biden regime. The demand was proportional to the shutting and reopening of the economies and businesses during the Pandemic. But the price fixing and supply is all to do with OPEC. What is hilarious is that the likes of Kdouglas blaming Biden for limiting the Oil Production when he cancelled the Keystone Excel Pipeline Project. The actual fact is that the pipeline was under construction and had not even supplied 1 mL of oil.
At least you do give Obama credit for the Affordable Healthcare. But remember that investment in Healthcare has meant more jobs within that sector. It does mean that it benefits the economy. However, the bailouts of Banks and Auto Industries was significant to bring the economy back to it's feet from a low point during the huge recession!!.
I think that you are the one cherry picking by disputing only those on the "left's POV". Especially as you are contradicting everything that comes from the conservative point of view, but giving them a free pass. I agreed with you about the Oil prices and that the responsibility cannot be part of the Government with regards to the pricing and supply. In my earlier post it was crystal clear that Biden was trying to hit back at the oil prices, by releasing the Government's stock. Something that was slammed by those on the right, especially when Trump did exactly the same thing and he was also critical of Biden's decision. That was also really hypocritical on his part!!
What you have to bear in mind is that there were more jobs created under Trudeau is a single month in 2019 compared to a whole year under Harper. Not sure where you get your business investment figures other than that of a conservative press. Alberta has seen a booming economy due to it's oil demand over decades. Unlike other Oil Producing nations they failed to invest into refineries that could have benefited them in this day and age. They depend on transporting their bitumen crude oil to be refined in the USA. The Trans Canada Pipeline has no chance of redeeming their supplies as Quebec has no desire of approving the transportation out East to the refineries!!
But comparing Trump to Trudeau is ridiculous. The Canadian economy is 1/10th the size of the USA economy. Trump's foreign policies were catastrophic with regards to the pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, cancelling the Nuclear Deal with Iran, and practically squabbling with the NATO countries over trivial stuff. Presently Canada has the lowest inflation rate among the USMCA partners. In a nutshell if You are taking the "non-partisan" approach, then balance it with your debates not only with those on the "left" but on the "right" as well. Let us see You in action in that respect !!
I think the great irony about all of this is that Biden inherited a shitty situation considering the mess Trump and the GOP left him. He had to set up a vaccine distribution system that the red states sort of ignored and get the economy humming. Well, the reality is, he has accomplished this. The most recent jobs numbers is sort of funny because in Trump's term, he only had a number that high four times. And he and the media celebrated it like it was total employment. Biden has also faced significant headwinds in his agenda, mostly through GOP obstruction (though Manchin and Sinema haven't helped).
On top of all that, the right-wing media continues to raise unfounded concerns about covid, whether vaccines work or masks are necessary, and questioning everything in bad faith.
So, while I wouldn't say Biden is doing the greatest job, he and the economy are doing better than expected for the most part.
