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mandrill

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people who have an inkling to kill someone (murderers/serial killers) don't need guns...heck terrorists don't need guns to inflict damage. guns main purpose is a deterrent...it tells you "back off" or "better not have stupid ideas"...during the days of the wild west....everyone gets to carry a pistol and if you want trouble...you will get it...now we're not the wild west that's why we need to have license to carry....American laws are way different bu IMO, it all depends on how responsible a gun owner is...
How about that guy who fired into a crowd from the balcony of a hotel room in Vegas?

You think he'd have killed 50 people if he'd just had a knife?
 

mandrill

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Ruh-roh! You brought out the hypocrisy meter with the leading Democrat as the example. You know you're asking for trouble. I'll be over here hiding behind the bar. (PS- Please capitalize President.)
I believe capitalizing the titles of elected officials is an American orthographic convention, not an Anglo-Canadian one.

That's why no one on this board - or anywhere else up here AFAIK - does it.

Saving you some trouble here. Next thing we know, you'll be complaining about us writing "colour".
 

WyattEarp

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I believe capitalizing the titles of elected officials is an American orthographic convention, not an Anglo-Canadian one.

That's why no one on this board - or anywhere else up here AFAIK - does it.

Saving you some trouble here. Next thing we know, you'll be complaining about us writing "colour".
Okay, if that's what anglo-canadians do. ;)

I just wanted to be fair since I had already asked you to capitalize Presidente.
 

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How about that guy who fired into a crowd from the balcony of a hotel room in Vegas?

You think he'd have killed 50 people if he'd just had a knife?
read my post again....people who wants to kill will kill by any means....again not everyone is qualified to be a gun owner...he could've easily planted a bomb too...
 

mandrill

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read my post again....people who wants to kill will kill by any means....again not everyone is qualified to be a gun owner...he could've easily planted a bomb too...
I guess. But shooting people is easier and more efficient. Which is pretty much the point.
 

mandrill

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so is a bomb if you have no specific target...
You ever rigged a bomb? You have to know how to build it and not get caught buying the components. And you have to get it to work without blowing yourself up.

A rifle.... you just slap in the mag and pull the trigger.
 

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He is a minor. Minors aren't allowed to carry. He knew that full-well.

If somebody let's their 14 year old drive their car, and there's a fatal accident...
 

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the purpose of the projectile is the be propelled towards a target of the operators choosing the gun cannot fire or select a target by itself

we can go on all night
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The fact is that a gun is specifically designed and optimized to kill. Yes, things can be misused to kill but killing with a gun is using it for its intended purpose. Yes you can use a gun for non-lethal purposes like practicing to kill things but that doesn't change what a gun was created to do.

I know that our different opinions reflect our countries but I much prefer Canada's designation of a gun being a tool that is allowed for specific purposes rather than the US view that any tool should be able to carry a killing device.
 

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you don't point a gun unless your willing to use it he already testified he was NOT going to shoot kyle, had he not pointed the gun he would not have been shot this is already fact at the trial
If KR hadn't already shot someone, the guy wouldn't have drawn his handgun.
 

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Your point is moot. You have no right to regulate others’ wants when they don’t directly affect you.
But we do have the right to promote our viewpoints and speak to the public heath risk posed by current US policy. Also Canada has its own NRA parrots pushing for the same lack of rules in Canada so it makes sense to argue our views on a Canadian discussion forum.
 
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Police exist to arrest criminals, prevent crime, and enforce the law. This certaintly doesn't mean civilians don't have to carry weapons.

Private security and armed bodyguards exist to protect those that hire them (i.e. citizens wealthy enough that they don't have to carry weapons), but unfortunately most people cannot afford that type of security.
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Right. Tools put in the hands of the people who need them and have shown they operate them safely. Canada hits a fairly rational balance IMO.
 
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basketcase

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You don’t get to decide what serves a purpose a gun is not a weapon unless used as one
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Thankfully Canada requires background checks, mandatory training, and puts limits on what can be used. I wouldn't be opposed to stricter limits on handguns like no home storage and even the guys I've hung around hunt camp with think semi-auto hunting rifles are for losers who can't aim but I'm not putting that at the top of my decision making for elections.
 

mandrill

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If KR hadn't already shot someone, the guy wouldn't have drawn his handgun.
It's a domino chain. If KR has a valid self-defence for the Rosenbaum killing, then he argues that Grosskreutz and Huber couldn't arrest him and that the pattern appeared to be that others were targeting him for serious violence. The State argues that G and H had a reasonable belief that KR had shot Rosenbaum and were entitled to use force to arrest him.

It's difficult to believe that KR does not have the right to shoot someone who is pointing a Glock at him, espec as Dropkick Guy and Huber had just attacked him. There's also not a lot of evidence that DKG, H and G were actually going to arrest KR and not just beat and / or kill him.
 

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I dont know where you're going at with this. KR was there early on to help out, clean up and safeguard properties. he never fired his gun until he had to...he was fleeing, meaning he never wanted to engage....he fell down and thats when he fired his gun at the person chasing him...
Sounds compelling until you remember that KR was running because he already killed someone.
 

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If you banned all guns people would still get murdered. Many handy objects can be used as a practical weapon to cause blunt force trauma.
For example : Did gun control stop that maniac from driving his car on the sidewalk and killing a few people in Toronto a while back?
Do you want to compare the rate of mass killings with guns to mass killing with things not designed specifically to kill?
 
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