Kyle Rittenhouse trial

[basketcase]

Lol...he was there alright armed with a semi-auto, did he walk the streets firing at people? nope...people challenged him, looked at him like he was a schmuck with a gun and not willing to defend himself when the going gets tough...they were wrong...

I know law is different in different situations but arming yourself and intentionally putting yourself in a situation you had no right to be in is a factor.

I'm also sure that if it were an armed BLM protester interjecting himself in Trump rally, people would be saying the Trumpies had a right to defend themselves from the armed "thug".

 

[basketcase]

So by your logic these guys were provoking people as well??

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See my post above.

If one of them was walking around a proud boy's rally, you'd be calling for the death penalty.

 

[contact]

That's the problem with you right wingers. Your brain is incapable of understanding second degree.

Do I give a fuck if the gun is shooting 100 or 1500 or 2500 bullets a minutes?? Does it make a difference? I was just trying to illustrate a point.

Did you not understand that taking a minute to recharge your gun is a different era then what we can buy now? Guns that are not built to defend yourself but to mass murder.

Using lies... Good lord dude get real.

firearms are designed to fire a projectile that's the design and purpose, they are not designed for mass murder that's a choice the user makes. any driver could choose to steer the vehicle over that line in the middle of the road or choose to run down pedestrians the vehicle cant do it without a person operating it

a gun is a mechanical device incapable of doing anything without a human operating it

 

[basketcase]

I feel very sorry for KR. He's only 16 yrs old. He has no idea what he got himself into.

His life is now fucked. I am pretty sure that he has severe PTSD. He will spend the rest of his life re living that 15 minutes that he spent when he was a teen and having nightmares about it. He will be either reviled as a "fascist" or lauded as a "patriot" by various people until he dies and in fact he was just a dumb kid who made a series of mistakes and who shot well enough to survive those mistakes.

I'm glad he's likely to be acquitted. Not for the reasons that the righties in this thread applaud - that he was some kind of American hero - but just because he's a teen-aged, dumb kid who didn't deserve what happened to him that night.

While at the same time, being idolized by a generation of alt-right militia types might make him into and armed version of a Kardashian who tries to continually revive his fame.

 

[basketcase]

So you are saying they had no choice but to attack KR .

They had the right to defend themselves from an armed person seemingly there to challenge people.

 

[contact]

Bull shit. They kill way more people by mistake then they defend people.

Guns kill people more then people do.

wrong a gun cannot kill anyone with a human operating it the human makes the choice and operates the gun

fact guns are never going to be gone there are hundreds of millions of them and growing each day

gun ownership in Canada is up as is the us

 

[basketcase]

that state allows open carry you can carry rifle pretty much anywhere you like it’s 100% legal ...

Not for an out of state minor and not after there was a curfew instituted. I believe the guy with the handgun was legally allowed to carry though.

Having the legal right to defend your own life is not fucked up should be the right of every person in every country
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But seemingly not the people confronted by a gun-wielding teen.

 

[contact]

Not for an out of state minor and not after there was a curfew instituted. I believe the guy with the handgun was legally allowed to carry though.

incorrect his CCW permit was expired he testified as such a misdemeanor and the curfew would also apply to him.... and everyone else out that night

out of state is not a problem, a minor yes but its a misdemeanor IIRC just a fine

again open carry is fine he did not threaten or point the rifle until threatened also NOT wielding the gun until threatened

 

[basketcase]

... He wasn't there to provoke anything and that's a legally relevant point.
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Would a rational person think being armed and walking through an opposing group isn't provoking?

 

[basketcase]

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If you wanna try and use the second amendment was written way back then when modern things didn’t exist. then you should apply that to the first amendment which was written when Word of mouth and hand written letters were the only way to spread information

Does internet communication pose a continual risk to human life?

 

[contact]

Does internet communication pose a continual risk to human life?

yes it can it can and has been used to rile up people and cause death/destruction
how many deaths due to social media post alone?

 

[basketcase]

incorrect his CCW permit was expired he testified as such a misdemeanor and the curfew would also apply to him.... and everyone else out that night

out of state is not a problem, a minor yes but its a misdemeanor IIRC just a fine

again open carry is fine he did not threaten or point the rifle until threatened also NOT wielding the gun until threatened

Fair enough about the CCW. Would you be arguing any differently if he was open carrying a rifle when he challenged KR?

But no, he was not legally carrying and not allowed to be walking down the street.

 

[basketcase]

yes it can it can and has been used to rile up people and cause death/destruction

So I guess the gun's don't kill people argument doesn't apply to the internet. And except for the rare CSI episode, the internet doesn't cause death the way an improperly used gun can.

 

[contact]

Fair enough about the CCW. Would you be arguing any differently if he was open carrying a rifle when he challenged KR?

But no, he was not legally carrying and not allowed to be walking down the street.

the second he pointed a weapon at kyle he was shot not before as the evidence shows and as he himself testified so had he pointed rifle yes kyle could have shot him

 

[basketcase]

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Second amendment was written when you needed 60 second to recharge your arm. Not when it's possible to shoot 1200 bullets per minute.

What tripe. A good musketeer could get of 4 rounds in a minute

 

[basketcase]

the second he pointed a weapon at kyle he was shot not before as the evidence shows and as he himself testified so had he pointed rifle yes kyle could have shot him

I would suggest that having witnessed KR shooting someone, pointing a gun when yelling at him to stop would be a rational choice.

 

[basketcase]

firearms are designed to fire a projectile that's the design and purpose, ...

And what purpose does that projectile have? Guns may be used to target shoot as a hobby but there is no debating they were designed and optimized to kill.

The fact that so many of your countrymen insist on carrying them for self defence makes that usage clear.

 

[contact]

So I guess the gun's don't kill people argument doesn't apply to the internet. And except for the rare CSI episode, the internet doesn't cause death the way an improperly used gun can.

once again a gun itself is NOT capable of doing anything it takes a human to operate it the human is the killer not a mechanical device

you realize almost any object "improperly" used can kill right?

 

[contact]

And what purpose does that projectile have? Guns may be used to target shoot as a hobby but there is no debating they were designed and optimized to kill.

the purpose of the projectile is the be propelled towards a target of the operators choosing the gun cannot fire or select a target by itself

we can go on all night

the FACT is a gun is a mechanical device that requires a human to do anything all your what ifs doesn't change that

your car can easily be used a s a weapon should you choose to use it as such or it takes you shopping again you choose not the car

 

[contact]

I would suggest that having witnessed KR shooting someone, pointing a gun when yelling at him to stop would be a rational choice.

you don't point a gun unless your willing to use it he already testified he was NOT going to shoot kyle, had he not pointed the gun he would not have been shot this is already fact at the trial