NHL: Who is a definite Hall of Famer playing today?
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You're saying being a top-10 in Norris voting should give you HOF consideration?
The main thing that I'm thinking of is that he's played only 6 seasons. That's a really, really short time frame.
Are you OK with women players in the HOF? The leagues are terrible...there are only two competitive nations for international play...Connor McDavid has worked harder to be in the HOF compared to women players.
|I'm OK with women being in.
1) I'm sure that the women work very hard.
2)These women make peanuts compared to NHLers and have other jobs to help them get by. There is no way that a woman can dedicate the amount of training time that a pro can.
I'd argue Josi might fit the bill. He has great stats and analytics. I would say he's the type of d-man that might never win the Norris, but always seems to be in the conversation.
He actually won the Norris in 2020. But like his career always under the radar.
I did mention that he would need 3 or 4 solid years to complete his resume, which I think is fairly reasonable expectation. So it doesn’t fit the in as of now criteria.
And his Swiss background will help for a committee that tries to push the International at times and has no Swiss players. That is a big reason behind my thinking he will get in. Whether it should or should not be a consideration is a different debate.
As for mentioning Top 10 finishes. It’s simply an easy analytic of consistent good play. It’s to give context of a good career beyond him just winning the Norris. It separates him from a Randy Carlyle or a PK Subban type. Norris winner. And even separates him from Brent Burns who only has 4 such years.
This is also the hall of “good” at so a few elite seasons with extended good play is often good enough.
I don’t mean to constantly pick on Burns or KD — KD put a solid list out there. That was just the one glaring error in my view.
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I don’t think his Swiss background will be a factor at all...being in the top 10 of Norris voting is very faint praise.
One of the issues with induction into the HHOF is it’s gone from being a great player to get in to just being above average.
Just go away. I try to be respectful in this discussion, explain the top 10, and you are purposely difficult and putting words in my mouth.
And I’m explaining to you why you are misguided...also, Josi was 14th in voting last year.
Here are retired defenceman since 1967, with lesser Norris accomplishments than Josi that are in the Hall - Doug Wilson, Sergei Zubov, Serge Savard, Kevin Lowe.
He had similar accomplishments to Larry Murphy and Phil Housley in terms of NOrris voting. Housley and Murphy have 1 or 2 more top finishes but they also never won a Norris.
The Only retired player with more top seven finishes (6) that is not in the Hall of Fame is Sergei Gonchar. But he never won a Norris, and was never top 3.
Is Josi a lock.No.
Is he in as if now. No.
He is on the list of “good”, non top tier players that will need to wait a bit but will likely ultimately get in.
As I mentioned he is in good shape of ultimately getting there especially if he can have 3 more solid seasons.
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I don’t think I am misguided based on my research.
At the same time I should not have told you to go away or that you were being difficult.
I also mentioned he had 7 top 10 finishes. It was actually 5 top 7 finishes and I was typing I messed up the data… probably because I had 7 in my head. But my research that I just did was based on top 5 and top 7 finishes.
Although his career has come to a quick sudden thud, I think Erik Karlsson is in very good shape and not that far from a lock. He is moving from first ballot to “we will make you wait” category but his peak value was so high . 2 Norris Trophies and 2 runner up finishes.
He was so good just over 4 years ago when he nearly carried an average sens team to the final.
He gets forgotten because he played in Ottawa and became not good quite quickly.
I just can’t see him not making it as long as he just plays another 3 or 4 years and boosts the counting stats (and it does not need to be effective years either .. just get to a 1000 games )
He was so good just over 4 years ago when he nearly carried an average sens team to the final.
He gets forgotten because he played in Ottawa and became not good quite quickly.
I just can’t see him not making it as long as he just plays another 3 or 4 years and boosts the counting stats (and it does not need to be effective years either .. just get to a 1000 games )
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He never won the Norris because he played in the wrong era, but Brad Park must have been high in the voting many times.
No worries. That even happens to me sometimes but the intelligent and rational members know what I mean and not what I typed.
