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The global energy crisis - Green fairy tales collide with reality

Frankfooter

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LOL, if solar etc was so efficient, so much better, IT would not require massive subsidies and priority in the energy grid to be established in the first place. Power companies would have been using it all along. it would not require enormous taxes on its main competitor to stay in business.
If fossil fuel is so much cheaper why are there $600 billion in subsidies for the industry every year?

Why is this happening?
 
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Global levelized cost of generation (US$ per MWh)
SourceSolar (utility)Wind onshoreGas CCGeothermalWind offshoreCoalNuclearGas peakerStorage (1:4)
NEA 2020[43] (at 7% discount rate)5450921008811468
NEA 2018[44] (at 3% discount rate)100601001359055
IPCC 2018[45] (at 5% discount rate)1105971601206165
BNEF 2021[46]394179132
Lazard 2020[47]3640598086112164175189
IRENA 2020[48]685373113
Lazard (ranges)29-4226-5444-7359-1018665-159129-198151-198132-245
levelized being the key word
leveled by some activists with an agenda

the reality is really simple.
if renewables were at all cost competitive, they would naturally displace fossil fuels
that aint happening

renewables are not even close to being cost competitive and they are incapable of providing base load power

your levelized costs are bullshit
 
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So, CNN's Fareed Zakaria has explained the global energy crisis that has led to skyrocketing prices and severe shortages of reliable energy.

"(W)e do not have sufficient green energy today to replace fossil fuels. We will, but not today."

no..... we wont
not today not tomorrow, not in your kids lifetime
probably not in your grandkids lifetime barring a revolutionary technological break through

green energy is an impractical pipe dream
 
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no..... we wont
not today not tomorrow, not in your kids lifetime
probably not in your grandkids lifetime barring a revolutionary technological break through

green energy is an impractical pipe dream
Renewable energy is real and practical, just not in North America. Too powerful interests in fossil fuel here.

Renewable energy is not an impractical pipe dream in Scandinavia.
Electricity generation in Norway is 95% renewable, Sweden 65% renewable (35% nuclear), Denmark 80% renewable.

Scandinavia and Canada are comparable in terms of both Climate and size. 21M people in Scandinavia, 38M in Canada.

Germany generates 40%of its electricity from lignite, coal, Natural gas and oil, 16% from nuclear, 44% from renewables.
 
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Electricity generation in Norway is 95% renewable,
You know Norway much like Canada can haz all the Hydro right. Pretty sure you didn't.
Much like I believe Iceland can into Geothermal. Winning a geological lotto is a bullshit basis for bragging.
Much like the "Alberta Advantage" It's oil dude, fuck tons of money from oil and they have managed much like Newfoundland to fuck that up also.
 

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no..... we wont
not today not tomorrow, not in your kids lifetime
probably not in your grandkids lifetime barring a revolutionary technological break through

green energy is an impractical pipe dream
Well, with your logic maybe you too can grow concrete.

Or you could just see how other countries are doing it and planning on doing it.
 

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Well, with your logic maybe you too can grow concrete.
Or you could just see how other countries are doing it and planning on doing it.
Some of these guys are like the people who decreed that a man had to walk in front of an automobile waving a red flag.

They realize what the future holds, but they don't like it and tries by silly means to prevent it from happening.
 
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Renewable energy is real and practical, just not in North America. Too powerful interests in fossil fuel here.
You are dreaming
Renewables are maybe 5 to 8% of the worlds energy consumption
far less if you back out the burning of biomass (fricking sooo stupid if reduced emissions are the goal)

this is not practical

Do you really think powerful fossil fuels interest hang out in a hooker chat board?????
too funny


Renewable energy is not an impractical pipe dream in Scandinavia.
Electricity generation in Norway is 95% renewable, Sweden 65% renewable (35% nuclear), Denmark 80% renewable.
Odd how Norway has not shut down its oil production

you just named the countries with the highest energy cost


Scandinavia and Canada are comparable in terms of both Climate and size. 21M people in Scandinavia, 38M in Canada.
size ???
scandinavia square miles - Microsoft Bing Search

463,000 square miles

Canada
3.8 million square miles

gee your only wrong by a factor of 7 X

Germany generates 40%of its electricity from lignite, coal, Natural gas and oil, 16% from nuclear, 44% from renewables.
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you really do not understand what you speak of

green energy is an impractical pipe dream

i notice you stopped pushing the cost competitiveness lie , once called out on it
 
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JohnLarue

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Some of these guys are like the people who decreed that a man had to walk in front of an automobile waving a red flag.

They realize what the future holds, but they don't like it and tries by silly means to prevent it from happening.
you must be kidding
did it occur to you that some may be very concerned about being led down a destructive path by uncompromising fools
 

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Ghawar
Some of these guys are like the people who decreed that a man had to walk in front of an automobile waving a red flag.

They realize what the future holds, but they don't like it and tries by silly means to prevent it from happening.
The way I see things is that we need renewable energy not because it
is cleaner or cheaper but because supply of non-renewable energy is insufficient
to meet world's increasing demand of energy of any form, I can assure you I don't
dislike renewable energy. I just don't expect it will bring down cost of living in the
foreseeable future.
 

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....you are not correct in calling solar and wind energy generation inefficient, when their cost is lower than generation from fossil fuel.

It's not just me saying it. That same opinion is held across the political spectrum, as the technology doesn't exist to allow wind and solar to replace fossil fuels.

For example, here is a quote from a recent column by Eric Reguly in the rather woke Globe and Mail.

"No one consulted a technician or engineer to find out whether ESG could actually help shield us from energy shortages and price shocks.

The solution is not to kill off ESG. We need scads more renewable energy if we are to meet the UN climate goals and take the edge off future energy price spikes. But at the same time, we have to be realistic about the length of the transition to the green economy. It will take decades. In the meantime, we cannot abandon all fossil fuels if we need to keep the lights on."



The global energy crisis is real. It isn't something that was created by me.

No matter what the no-name elitists at the UN might say, the reality is voters will punish politicians who allow energy costs to soar due to reckless policy decisions.

Ask Kathleen Wynne.
 

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It's not just me saying it. That same opinion is held across the political spectrum, as the technology doesn't exist to allow wind and solar to replace fossil fuels.

For example, here is a quote from a recent column by Eric Reguly in the rather woke Globe and Mail.

"No one consulted a technician or engineer to find out whether ESG could actually help shield us from energy shortages and price shocks.
Ah, an opinion piece from a right winger.

Scotland already did it.
So did Costa Rica.

You think you know better than them?
 

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Check this out - China has reaffirmed that it is committed to hitting an all-time peak in man-made emissions by 2030.


Even better, the Chinese government says the priority at the UN gabfest that starts Sunday should be getting the western nations to commit to sending billions more in increased funding to China.
 

JohnLarue

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The way I see things is that we need renewable energy not because it
is cleaner or cheaper but because supply of non-renewable energy is insufficient
to meet world's increasing demand of energy of any form, I can assure you I don't
dislike renewable energy. I just don't expect it will bring down cost of living in the
foreseeable future.
renewables rep maybe 5-8% , far less if you take out c02 producing burning of biomass biofuels (complete and utter stupidity)
this is after billions of $ of investments and direct subsidies

they will not displace FF and might reach 15% before the reality of renewable shortfalls (intermittent and incapable of providing baseline power) puts a halt on this insanity


Demand for FF will continue to grow
Supply will be a problem over the next decade because of misguided policy
Current investment in drilling/ exploration has dried up
Not at all surprising given the signals morons like Trudeau / Gerald Butts / Boris Johnson are sending to the industry ie "our goal is to shut you down"

The "peak Oil" alarms have been bouncing around for decades and each has been prove wrong by ingenuity and technological advancements

Lets hope everyone is crystal clear on who will be responsible for the incontrollable inflation, blackouts and lower standards of living we are going to experience because of the utter stupidity of politicians/activists
 

JohnLarue

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Check this out - China has reaffirmed that it is committed to hitting an all-time peak in man-made emissions by 2030.


Even better, the Chinese government says the priority at the UN gabfest that starts Sunday should be getting the western nations to commit to sending billions more in increased funding to China.
great
borrow billions from the Chinese to give to china
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Foreign countries own roughly one-third of U.S. public debt, with Japan owning the largest chunk of American debt hovering around $1.26 trillion. US debt to China ranks second, with that country owning roughly $1.07 trillion of American debt.
 

danmand

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The way I see things is that we need renewable energy not because it
is cleaner or cheaper but because supply of non-renewable energy is insufficient
to meet world's increasing demand of energy of any form, I can assure you I don't
dislike renewable energy. I just don't expect it will bring down cost of living in the
foreseeable future.
Surely, renewable energy will not be cheaper for the consumer.

There is, as I understand it, another factor that my be important in North America, where the electricity distribution network is hopelessly outdated.

It would appear to me that Solar and wind generation, which naturally is distributed, will place less strain on the distribution network.
 

JohnLarue

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Electricity generation in Norway is 95% renewable, Sweden 65% renewable (35% nuclear), Denmark 80% renewable.
you are likely quoting name plate capacity rather than actual generation
given the absolutely abysmal capacity factors for wind and solar 5 to 20% there is no way you are portraying reality
 
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