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Vaccine passports not an infringement on human rights: OHRC

Phil C. McNasty

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We are forced to make hundreds of choices a day whether we want to or not and whether we realize it or not. The important thing is that the individual is the one making that choice. Unfortunately, some are easy and some, not so much.

Like in your case: Should I give up arguing a point that I cannot possibly win or should I continue to debate even though to do so is irrational.

Having to make choices is part of life. Many people have indeed chosen to not get vaccinated. They may get fired, but they have chosen to accept the repercussions
This NBA player sure felt like he was forced

 
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Really?

You are going to compare a woman's right to bodily autonomy to this?

That is ridiculous.

Just like comparing it to the African American civil rights.
So my body my choice only apply to women's abortions? Did you know that the U.S govt used to perform medical experiments on African Americans?
 

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Really?

You are going to compare a woman's right to bodily autonomy to this?

That is ridiculous.
Actually I think it very comparable.

No one should have the right to govern someone’s body.

Same with child circumcision, the horrible things Brittney went through with being forced drugs and an IUD.

Woman or man, no one should have the right to tell you want to put in or take out of your body.

My body, my choice stands for everyone. Not just women. To say that only women should be able to use that is seriously off the mark and totally hypocritical.
 

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Well some of you are so obsessed and we know you all obsess over cock so I must have one with the way you all jump on me.
Wait a minute, hold on to your dick!!!! I do know of one member who does enjoy a good cock but I will not mention his name.

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Wait a minute, hold on to your dick!!!! I do know of one member who does enjoy a good cock but I will not mention his name.

ps. If I run for PM you better vote for me. Don't be scared!!! LOL
LMAO - you would so NOT get my vote. LOL.

Can you imagine what the country would be like if you were in charge????? Don’t give me nightmares. LOL


Totally off topic. I had no idea how “hefty” {for lack of a better word} a cock feels for a guy until I put on a strap on. It is sooooooo weird having something hard and wagging between your legs. LOL
 
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Actually I think it very comparable.

No one should have the right to govern someone’s body.

Same with child circumcision, the horrible things Brittney went through with being forced drugs and an IUD.

Woman or man, no one should have the right to tell you want to put in or take out of your body.

My body, my choice stands for everyone. Not just women. To say that only women should be able to use that is seriously off the mark and totally hypocritical.
I did not say that.

I said the comparison is IMO ridiculous in regards to the post I responded to.

As in using women's rights to their bodies to compare to vaccine passports.

Women are human beings, this is an issue that affects all sexual identities, all humans.

I just don't think having to show a vaccine passport to go to a restaurant is the same as a woman having no rights or control over her body.
 

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I did not say that.

I said the comparison is IMO ridiculous in regards to the post I responded to.

As in using women's rights to their bodies to compare to vaccine passports.

Women are human beings, this is an issue that affects all sexual identities, all humans.

I just don't think having to show a vaccine passport to go to a restaurant is the same as a woman having no rights or control over her body.
Ok. We disagree then.

Is showing a paper at a restaurant the same as being denied an abortion? No. Not at all. I agree there.

But what you have to do to get that piece of paper is the same as someone say forcing Britney Spears to wear an IUD against her will. Which I personally think is wrong. Do you think it is okay for someone to make you wear an IUD if you don’t want to?

To get that paper, you have no choice but to submit to a medical procedure. Which is where the “my body, my choice” comes into play.

But if you only want to compare paper to body and ignore what the body has to do to get that paper, then yeah - it would seem ridiculous I guess.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Here's another pro athlete who feels he's being forced


  • Callum Robinson is the first football star to confirm he has decided not to be vaccinated against Covid-19
  • The 26-year-old has contracted the virus twice, once in November 2020 and again in August
  • Robinson, who is on £27,000 a week, declined to discuss his reasons
  • He did admit he 'could change his mind further down the line' but insists he 'wouldn't force people to do it... it's your choice and your body'
 
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You are on an escort review board where guys break the law every single time they even ask an escort about her services. Let alone when they actually fuck her.

And you’re surprised????? Really?
A bit. Because people mostly discuss it as a law they disagree with and don't claim that it is an immoral use of force and coercion. Instead it is usually a discussion about balance of laws and freedoms and what is reasonable.

I find the "force and coercion" framing and rhetoric bizarre because it is so illogical and inconsistent.
All laws are force and coercion. That's the point of them. Pretending a law is immoral because it is force and coercion is just weird.

"This is something that the instrument of the law is not correct" is an argument, sure. But vaccine mandates are one of the single easiest things on the planet to justify so the weird, over-heated rhetoric about force as if the fact a law or regulation is coercion is anything shocking is just baffling to me.
 
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A bit. Because people mostly discuss it as a law they disagree with and don't claim that it is an immoral use of force and coercion. Instead it is usually a discussion about balance of laws and freedoms and what is reasonable.

I find the "force and coercion" framing and rhetoric bizarre because it is so illogical and inconsistent.
All laws are force and coercion. That's the point of them. Pretending a law is immoral because it is force and coercion is just weird.

"This is something that the instrument of the law is not correct" is an argument, sure. But vaccine mandates are one of the single easiest things on the planet to justify so the weird, over-heated rhetoric about force as if the fact a law or regulation is coercion is anything shocking is just baffling to me.
There is a difference though. With laws, there is only consequence. There is no privilege added to the mix like it is with the vaccine.

Not to mention, people are losing their jobs over this. That is not merely “want to go to a restaurant, it’s a privilege so get vaxxed”. People are legit losing their jobs that they have worked at for years, even decades.

Work and put food on the table by getting vaxxed or don’t, get fired and starve. That seems like seriously different type of force to me then don’t murder someone or you do life in jail.
 

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but for the thousandth time - you and I are not going to agree and you are not going to change my mind so why are you insisting on going in circles with me?
But it's ok for you to say the same thing over and over whenever basketcase or squeezer or I respond.

Why do you insist on going around in circles with us? You can do it but we can't. You are not going to change our minds.

Double standard and entitled are the first two terms that come to mind for me.

Why don't you be the bigger person and set a proper example? Show us how it's done.
 
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This NBA player sure felt like he was forced
His feelings are wrong. He could have not taken the vaccine and faced the repercussions like those 1,400 health care workers. They were undeniably not forced to get the vaccine. Why is Wiggins any different?

He probably has enough money for the rest of his life already. But his choice was more money ahead of his (supposed) principles.

It is stupidity to say that people are being forced.
 

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If people are feeling forced then guess what - they are being forced....
People feeling they're superman doesn't make them superman.

Our social construct is to cede some authority to a government and that means we face repercussions for violating the societal norms society supports. You can describe repercussions as being forced but that could apply to absolutely every decision you make in life.
 

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Fox News staff is %90 vaccinated, the %10 choose to have a swab up their nose for a daily covid test. Their body, their choice.

 

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There is not privilege for men to get sex from escorts if they do XYZ. That is the difference.
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There is not a right for people to eat inside a restaurant or work for a certain employer either. Not sure what your point is.


As to why I'm responding, wasn't the internet designed so people who don't know each other can argue? 😉 And I'm comfortable with my mild OCD.

There is a difference though. With laws, there is only consequence. There is no privilege added to the mix like it is with the vaccine.
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The laws implemented by society carry the privilege of being part of that society.
 
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