Vaccine passports not an infringement on human rights: OHRC
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Not at all. There is a big difference. You have a choice, but each choice has different repercussions. Deal with it.
Wrong.
If you have no say in the matter it is force because there are no choices.
By definition, if you can make a choice, then it is not forced. That is the current situation. A person can choose to stick to their principles but deal the repercussions that are well known, or they can choose to not deal with the repercussions and get the vax.
Is it a form of coercion? Sure. But coercion is not the same as force. I would not debate you if you used the word coercion, but using the word force is hyperbole and100% wrong.
Losing your job is a stronger repercussion, but a person still has a choice. You are arguing about a matter of degree. The principle is still the same. You still have a choice.
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Your opinion. Not mine.
Force by coercion. Manipulation. It is all the same.
Don’t like my choice of words - wah. Deal. That is basically what you are telling others. Deal right? So deal. Those are the words I’m choosing to use. Not changing them.
I will add that using those words got TWO of you to admit that this a “gentle push” and “coercion” which is more then you all would admit last week. So clearly my words are working at making you all admit what this is really about. So thanks for that.
We are reasonable debaters, willing to compromise.
It still does not make you correct.But a person still has a choice to make and they alone are the ones to make it. The choice is not imposed on them. As such it is not force.
I grant you that it is not an easy or pleasant choice, but it is still a choice, not force. A choice is a choice is a choice.
The choice is imposed on them. That is the issue. It is a forced choice. People are being force to make a choice. I think you have even admitted to that. That is your imposed force.We are reasonable debaters, willing to compromise.
But a person still has a choice to make and they alone are the ones to make it. The choice is not imposed on them. As such it is not force.
And yes - you guys have been very reasonable with me in these debates. I will definitely admit that. You guys can go pretty harsh on the others, but have been very respectful of me and my difference of opinion.
This is the really old and tired play book. I saw that up close when I lived in the Soviet Block. They wouldn't put the "mild" objectors in prison (because they didn't have enough prisons) but they would prevent people from earning a living, practice their professions, apply for certain jobs or even prevent students from receiving higher education. Travel bans were another way. What it did, it pressured others to stay quiet and conform. I just never thought that I would see it in Canada. Shameful does not even begin to describe this.
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You're wrong. I highlighted relevant parts in red.
Coercion (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
plato.stanford.edu
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You are on an escort review board where guys break the law every single time they even ask an escort about her services. Let alone when they actually fuck her.
And you’re surprised????? Really?
Bah....I minor inconvenience.
I found my vaccination card when I was in elementary school. My parents had to show it to the administration to allow me in to school. Times were different then.
The dumbass Ron Johnson once again proves he's a moron and full of shit! You know the guy you look up to for your information. LMFAO
These are exactly the same people who call for "more stringent laws" when an immigrant or minority member is convicted of a crime.
We are forced to make hundreds of choices a day whether we want to or not and whether we realize it or not. The important thing is that the individual is the one making that choice. Unfortunately, some are easy and some, not so much.
Like in your case: Should I give up arguing a point that I cannot possibly win or should I continue to debate even though to do so is irrational.
Having to make choices is part of life. Many people have indeed chosen to not get vaccinated. They may get fired, but they have chosen to accept the repercussions.
It is force. But glad you admit that the choice is indeed imposed. That’s a step up
So it's people feeling they're being forced, not that people actually are being forced. Thanks for the clarification.
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It shows that despite the government's attempt to "force" us, we still have the freedom to choose as long as we are aware of the potential consequences.
Not how I said it or what I meant. Nice try. But you are not going to take my words and play them out of context. Not going to happen.
If people are feeling forced then guess what - they are being forced. They wouldn’t feel that way unless it was actually happening. Like how daft can you be to not understand that?
There is not privilege for men to get sex from escorts if they do XYZ. That is the difference.
but for the thousandth time - you and I are not going to agree and you are not going to change my mind so why are you insisting on going in circles with me?
Like seriously - it is like an obsession with some of you. I don’t agree. I think it is forced. You do. Great! Get off my dick and move on already.
