Because you don’t live that lifestyle or have that kind of money. You won’t understand it. You can’t understand it.
Dr. Dre ordered to pay ex-wife $300,000 a month
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I understand that they live an expensive lifestyle, but I dont agree that a person should be responsible for another persons lifestyle when they are no longer in their life. I know that this is not legally what happens in family law. its parasitic behavior to expect someone to pay when they are no longer in a relationship.
What you don't realize is that women carry the overwhelming burden of marriages. Women are left with working full time jobs while devoting most of the rest of their time to house work and childcare! They don't get paid for that work either, it's all a pay-less sacrifice.
When a guy goes to work, he's leaving his wife to the greatest burdens and pretty much forcing her into indentured slavery, like plantation owners of old, except it's happening today!
So when she's had enough of that sacrifice, every day of every year she's married to the SOB, it's time to cash out and collect on the sacrifices, and turn the sacrifice into an investment. Decentg investment, one that a select elite group can even become members of. The group have a collective name for themselves. They're called "women". No-one else is able to apply let alone be admitted.
The reason men marry women, is because men are smart enough to know how smart women really are!
Most of his money did not come from music, it came from the headphones he sold called "Beats by Dre."
Most artists/producers see very little money from the music they make.
Men rely on women to care for the home and kids and then do expect them to sometimes work as well.
I know a guy who insisted that his pregnancy GF leave her job to raise their soon-to-be child. She took mat-leave but didnt’ quit her job just went to part time hours. Her employer loved her work ethic and over all personality at work and did everything to accommodate her.
BF then said, if she is making money, then she can pay some of her own bills with it. So she had to pay her car insurance and phone. She said ok.
So she would work 2/3 nights a week and cared for their son during the day.
She wanted to try some night school course, he didn’t understand why since she was going to be staying home and didn’t like it because he would would not be able to work OT on those nights. So she took them online.
Fast forward 5 years. She is still working part time, still doing some general interest online course that are administrative in nature. He has been promoted at work and has been able to bank serious cash because of all the over-time he worked. He was able to upgrade his education as well. Every Saturday and most nights he was at work. It is why he got promoted and handles his own sites now. He is in construction.
They break up. He says she emotionally cheated with a guy the gym because they would have coffee after working out sometimes. She never cheated and didn’t date this guy at all after the relationship. It was a YMCA where there was a concession stand. He just didn’t like her going to the gym period. He was trying to use it to get her stop and instead it made her leave him.
He fought for 45% custody simply to reduce his child support. He quit his job for 3 months when she took him to court for always paying late or trying to change the amount. Thankfully court took longer then 3 months and he had to go back to work. He would get his Aunt to care for the child when it was his access time. So no babysitting fees but he lied and said he had to pay his aunt a grand a month for 2 nights a week and 2 Saturday’s. Totally bullshit.
When they made it to court finally, he was pissed. They were going to order $600/month and all the S7 expenses to be paid by him. He thought he should have no support. He was told he had to keep both on his health insurance. He took her off that day. He would make her pay the S7 expenses like hockey registration upfront and then take months to pay her back.
Right before court was to be finalized, he told her they would never co-parent. He would never allow her life to be easy. He would never speak to her directly again if she went through with it. She wanted what was best for their child. So she agreed to $350 and 75% of S7 and no health insurance. She also gave up her interest in the equity of the home.
He makes over 100K a year. She had to put her chosen career on hold to raise the child and only worked part time in Food services. Had no way to save money. She was lucky she still took those online course that he knew nothing about because at least she was closer to her goal then she would have been. She was making less then $20K a year when they split.
She now works in her chosen field. Just got a raise and can afford a nice 2 bedroom townhouse. It has been 10 years. Had she been able to go work and go to school, like he was able to do because she cared for their child, she would have been much further ahead in life and career.
He kept the same house that is a shit hole now And falling apart because there is no one home to take care of it. Their teenage child now hates going there 45% of the time because the BF does nothing but sleep. He is so concerned with his bank account, he does nothing. He has not dated since the break up, and still continues to be behind on child support. She just doesn’t bother anymore because she knows how he is and she just doesn’t want the fight even though she is entitled. She said she was able to get on her feet and cover things so it is better for her emotionally to not fight then financially to fight.
Women are held back in life because they take care of the home and the kids. They work harder to get their education after kids because they usually have to do it part time. In 5 years he was able to elevate his life because of her. He wouldn’t have been able to work all that over-time, etc. Even now, if the child is sick, even on his day, it is her responsibility to take the day off work to care for the kid.
This is what guys don’t understand. Her life, her career, her education was put on hold for the child because it is expected of her. The BF truly believed that children where better off with the woman at home and so that is what they agreed to and then when it didn’t work out, he said fuck her and her sacrifice for him and their child.
This is why women get what they get in spousal support. This is why women have to fight for it. There are too many men like this guy. Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of women who marry for money, but it is no where near the numbers that men talk about and those women still did stay home and care for the kids etc, even if they did marry for money originally. However these types of men are who the courts see on a regular. It is all good that she stays home to be your little keeper for you while married and it is ok for your life to advance because of it, but it is not ok for her to be helped when you split even though her life was held back because she was supporting yours during the relationship.
This is the reason for spousal support.
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when did raising children equate burden? I would say having the option to stay home investing in a parents greatest accomplishment would beat out working and slaving away at a job which would not be nearly as fulfilling. actually they do get paid by the government as well are provided by the other parent. they reap the benefits of their partner in order to stay home and raise kids. its a symbiotic relationship not indebted slavery.
women are not forced into staying home. its a choice.
most men would love to spend time raising their kids.
That is the biggest bunch of bullshit if I ever heard it. About men wanting to stay home and raise kids. Sorry, but no. How many men have weekend time and pass it off to their mommy?????? Way to many.
And no, women don’t really have much of choice. They have to stay home for the first little bit. They have to breast feed, and I know there is formula but breast is best as they say. And many families can’t afford daycare for two parents to work, so one has to stay home and since we know there is a pay gap, men usually go to work because they get paid more.
But you are right, it is symbiotic. That is you totally admitting that men can’t go make all that money without women and women can’t stay home without men. So when the split happens, men are responsible for sharing that financial load because their careers advanced.
If the woman was making the same coin, then spousal support would not be given. It is not an automatic. She doesn’t even have to be making the same coin. If she worked during the relationship and makes enough to live, she’s doesn’t get spousal support. Not here in Canada. The law is fair in this.
As far as being paid by the government, if the household is make a certain amount, no one is getting money. It is based on household income. SO both get it or none get it when living together.
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they do, they just choose to stay home, unless its for medical reasons. breast feeding can be replaced with formula, but they choose to breast feed. it doesnt make sense to pay for day care when essentially it eats up the second income. personally people should not be having kids if they cant afford to. yes there is a gender pay gap but its because of the choices women make as far as occupations, working part time, working less hours and having kids. yes financially it makes sense for the a higher earning to work but its womens choices not to work the same type of work or conditions or danger is why they make less then men. its about choices.
well they can its called a nanny, or day care. women can stay home without men, its called government assistance. perhaps decades ago this was reality but there are so many more services and programs.
while I agree that some alimony is required It gets out of hand. indebted payment for a lifetime is ridiculous.
forgot. you seem to concentrate on only negative experiences. while I have seen many positive ways men contribute. while men may not spend as much time as they would like with their kids many do work overtime, extended hours, dangerous jobs to provide for their families. this is their burden. I know for sure that men would love to spend time with their kids, but providing for the family comes first.
I dont know you but from your post you have seemed to have run across a lot of bad men which is not a majority of men. I myself have seen many bad women and many good men. we have had very different lives and experiences.
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Hilarious! You want your cake and to eat it too! You agree that spousal support is needed but you think you get to decide what the cap amount is and for how long without taking into considering the indivial case. If the number is too high, you say no way.
You have no idea how much ”contribution” she made to Dre’s career. None at all. Neither to do I but the judge does. She could have been the one to mention selling headphones, it could have been her idea laying in bed one night. It could have been her who encouraged him to take a different route then just music. You have no idea. You see 300K and instantly say NOPE.
I am not going to get into a huge debate about gender gap, but you admit that having kids is apart of that, and I just want you to know - A lot of men decide to have children, and guess what, the woman has to bare that child for him. So when a COUPLE makes the choice to have children, it automatically effects her career. So someone has to pick up slack in the relationship. Which mean him. Then the choice is again made by the COUPLE that she stays home, so someone has to pick up the slack in the relationship and that is him. You admit this and yet you want to put all the blame of the choices on women. It is not solely their choice when in a marriage or relationship. It is joint choice and when it is, both parties need to play their role. They have both contributed equally to the relationship in their way.
Also , if you think govermoment assistance is anything a mother WANTS to be on, you need to give your head a shake. It is not enough money to live on. And again, she wouldn’t get that money, that Child tax Credit every month if the child was not with her full time and her income level was below a certain level. A couple can receive that money if their income is below the limit so men can get in on it too. You can’t just place this all on women.
And thanks for trying to make it personal here but just because I take the opposite stance in deabtes doesn’t mean I have run across a lot of bad men. You admit you don’t know me and then make an asinine assumption. I see plenty good men on a regular. I have seen bad men as well. I have seen both. I just often debate the standard female presceptive because this is male dominate board, where else is the standard female side going to come from? It doesn’t mean it is at all a reflection of my experiences. When it is, I say it is. When it is not, I am just debating. I am a pretty open book that way.
I am sorry you have admittedly met so many bad women, but as you said about men, it is the same for women, that is not the majority. So don’t make other women pay for your bad choices in who you associate with.
Having said all that, I am not going to continue to debate this. You have your stance and opinion and it is not changing so there is really no point. I am not changing mine either for that matter and I don’t want to waste anymore time. Not that is really a waste, but I am not invested in the topic really, so I am good to agree to disagree and move on now. I have fishing and gaming to do. It is Sunday after all.
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What guys in this thread don't admit is that your example is pretty much standard Family Court stuff. The # of asshole guys I have met like that turd is probably well into 3 figures.
The # of guys like Dre who get hit w a huge spousal support bill is nano-microscopic; but every guy who hates and fears women will react to it, as if it is the norm.
There was a prenuptial. So he got screwed. She got lucky those headphones sold well.
If it was just money from his music career, she would have gotten a few thousand a month at most.
Listen to a 10 mins discussion about male power. (the whole discussion is interesting, this is a small part of it)
