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Obama: Fox News viewers 'perceive a different reality' than other Americans

jcpro

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I believe that Hannity was.
That's the problem with you people. You can't tell the difference between the news and the oped sides. Hannity is NOT an anchor. He's a talking head like Fredo or Lemon.
 

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Agree 100%

It is a matter of degree.

CNN puts on a left of centre slant. FOX, is Bizarro world right wing.

Have you ever seen a CNN anchor on the stage at a Biden rally the way that FOX anchors did with trump?

That, right there, illustrates the difference in degree of partisanship.
It is a matter of degree??

You are either a non partisan objective reporter of the truth or you are not

I am not a fan of Trumps
I think he is a mean spirited egomaniac who was never suited for the position
I did agree with some of his positions ie the need for boarder control & the need to opt out of the Paris agreement

What I found astonishing was that CNN attacked him non stop from word go
They promoted the Russia angle non stop & were so disappointed when the enquiry did not go as expected.
They left no stone unturned looking to discredit him

BLM protests turn into violent riots with huge destruction of property , arson and assaults' on law enforcement - CNN characterizes them as mostly peaceful protests
Right wing protesters concerned about ballot counting irregularities get inside the capital building - CNN characterizes it as an insurrection and are demanding prison terms

That is not objective reporting
Don Lemon & Chris Cuomo will twist a story just as good as Tucker Carlson

Neither Fox nor CNN can claim to be non partisan
there are no matter of degrees
 

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CNN and MSNBC have reporting that is similar to each other and radically different than FOX. As such, it appears that from your graph, less people are interested in FOX's style of reporting than the reporting of the other 2 networks.
You can not read a simple line graph ?
How in the world can you claim less people are interested in FOX's style of reporting than the reporting of the other 2 networks.??????
They lead across all time periods and by a substantial margin

There are some periods where FOX almost exceeds the other two combined

FOX appears to be higher because there is no other mainstream network willing to put out the ridiculous stuff that they do. There is no major network for them to split the viewership with.
FOX appears to be higher because it is higher
It appears the viewership has a different opinion than about who is willing to put out the ridiculous stuff
 

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It is a matter of degree??

You are either a non partisan objective reporter of the truth or you are not
Not true. You can be moderately partisan(CNN) or radically partisan (FOX).

By definition the radical will always report things in a way that is further from the truth than a moderate. That is how one knows that they are radical. Their ideas are more extreme.
 

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You can not read a simple line graph ?
How in the world can you claim less people are interested in FOX's style of reporting than the reporting of the other 2 networks.??????
My explanation as to the fallacy of the way you interpreted the graph was very simple.

Add CNN and MSNBC together and the total is probably about 250,000 more (just eyeballing) than FOX. FOX is barely over 4M and each of the other two are over 2M by more than FOX was over 4M. Less people watch FOX's style of reporting than they do CNN's and MSNBC's which are similar to each other and distinctly different than FOX's. Based on your graph, it is indisputable.

I know you are a numbers guy, so I know you get it but will refuse to admit it, I suspect.
 

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Not true. It is not like pregnancy.

You can be moderately partisan(CNN) or radically partisan (FOX).

By definition the radical will always report things in a way that is further from the truth than a moderate. That is how one knows that they are radical. Their ideas are more extreme.
 

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That's the problem with you people. You can't tell the difference between the news and the oped sides. Hannity is NOT an anchor. He's a talking head like Fredo or Lemon.
Poor try at trying to move the goalposts. The point is that a host, or anchor (or whatever you want to call them because it makes no difference) on FOX was on stage at a trump rally in support of trump.

No host or anchor from CNN has done likewise.

That's the problem with you people. Once you are proved wrong, you move the goal posts or deflect or do "whatabout". You are disingenuous debaters, which actually is understandable because that's the only option you have to avoid admitting that you are dead wrong.
 
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jcpro

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Poor try at trying to move the goalposts. The point is that a host, or anchor (or whatever you want to call them because it makes no difference) on FOX was on stage at a trump rally in support of trump.

No host or anchor from CNN has done likewise.

That's the problem with you people. Once you are proved wrong, you move the goal posts or deflect or do "whatabout". You are disingenuous debaters, which actually is understandable because that's the only option you have to avoid admitting that you are dead wrong.
You didn't "prove " anything, except the fact that you don't know the difference between op-ed side and the news side. Hannity is not a journalist and neither is Carlson nor Fredo nor Lemon nor Stetler nor Rex Murphy nor Conrad Black, etc. They offer OPINIONS NOT NEWS. It's no different than the print media. Maybe this is too difficult of a concept for you. Would you like to discuss puppies or cute kittens, instead?
 

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My explanation as to the fallacy of the way you interpreted the graph was very simple.

Add CNN and MSNBC together and the total is probably about 250,000 more (just eyeballing) than FOX. FOX is barely over 4M and each of the other two are over 2M by more than FOX was over 4M. Less people watch FOX's style of reporting than they do CNN's and MSNBC's which are similar to each other and distinctly different than FOX's. Based on your graph, it is indisputable.

I know you area numbers guy, so I know you get it but will refuse to admit it, I suspect.
Oh, so in your strange world CNN & MSNBC do not compete against each other despite the millions they spend on marketing and never ending attempts to acquire market share from all competitors
You view free enterprise as a commune where all the Lonnie's share the harvest equally ?
Provided you get to allocate the markets shares

So do we need to start taking away gold medals at the Olympics if the winner does have a higher score than the silver & bronze combined?

Wrong again
It is a three way horse race & Fox beats both of them handily


Somehow you view a clear leader as the third place horse
FOX appears to be higher because it is higher
 
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JohnLarue

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Not true. You can be moderately partisan(CNN) or radically partisan (FOX).
you just showed your own biased by claiming CNN is only moderately partisan
You are either a non partisan objective reporter of the truth or you are not
It is very much like being pregnant or not being pregnant

Neither can claim any resemblance of non partisanship


By definition the radical will always report things in a way that is further from the truth than a moderate.
Sort of like how AOC believes it is better to be morally correct than factually correct when discussing FACTS?

That is pretty much about as far away from the truth as it gets

Anderson Cooper raised his eyebrow but gave her a complete pass on that stupidity
Any objective non partisan reporter should have taken her to task and demanded she explain herself

That is how one knows that they are radical. Their ideas are more extreme.
ideas like The Green New Deal ?
A myriad of unachievable socialist's goals in a ridiculous green wrapper
Free Money for those unwilling to work?
No boarders?
Free housing, free health care, free tuition
Make air travel unnecessary ?
Get rid of the cows
retro fit all buildings
replace all IC cars
High speed trains going everywhere
Oh yeah, were going to control the climate too
Do not concern yourself with the costs, physics, the truth or practicality , AOC does not care , so why should you?

Yeah none of those fantasies are extreme at all

So how did CNN deal with the incredibly stupid radical AOC?
They prompted her as a visionary and painted her in a favorable light where ever possible

I think perhaps your personnel biases have clouded your judgement on who are the radicals are & how far the loonies have drifted left and into fantasyland
 
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Speaking of the CNN. Their presidential candidate, Michael Avenatti, is about to be sentenced. Right now he's looking at 8 years and couple more indictments in other states.
 

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Speaking of the CNN. Their presidential candidate, Michael Avenatti, is about to be sentenced. Right now he's looking at 8 years and couple more indictments in other states.
Maybe he can hang out with Michael Cohen and Rudy.
Is Weisselman reserving a room yet, or is he still just 'talking' to SDNY?
 

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You didn't "prove " anything, except the fact that you don't know the difference between op-ed side and the news side. Hannity is not a journalist and neither is Carlson nor Fredo nor Lemon nor Stetler nor Rex Murphy nor Conrad Black, etc. They offer OPINIONS NOT NEWS. It's no different than the print media. Maybe this is too difficult of a concept for you. Would you like to discuss puppies or cute kittens, instead?
We are talking about being on stage at a trump rally. Let me know when you want to discuss that.
 

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you just showed your own biased by claiming CNN is only moderately partisan
CNN is only mildly partisan. It's more aligned with a set of policy preferences than a specific group being in power. (Hence it's conservative bias.)
 
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