Woman in tight clothes walks around NYC with camera crew, Is shocked men talk to her. :rolleyes:

[Jenesis]

Your own statement is contrary to what you are saying.
Wanting yourself to feel sexy. And what is the measuring stick to feeling sexy? Sexy to who? For what purpose?
One can not be sexy in a vacuum. Therefore one can not feel sexy, if there is no one else to deem them such.

Let us look at what women do to feel sexy. They exemplify the traits that would make them desirable to a mate.
According to anthropological studies, blush and lipstick were created to replicate the sexual flush and lip swelling that happens during sexual arousal, to provoke a sexual attraction in others.
Tight clothing shows off the curves of a woman, exemplifying her fertility, thus making her a more desirable mate for others.

Everything women do to "feel" sexy is predicated on causing a reaction in others to their level of sexual attractiveness.

And again, complaining when the reaction isn't exactly the way you want, from the person you want is a double standard from the position of privilege woman have in the courtship process.

That is your opinion. I can’t change that. But I think I have a little experience in this department since I happen to be a woman and there is a difference to me when I am dressing for me and want no attention for it and when I am dressing for a guy and I want him drooling.

Having had many conversations with other women, they seem to share my experience as well.

But you’re the man - so you would know better I guess.

 

[Dcoat]

Do you know the definition of harass.



It is unpleasant for some people when they are called at while simply walking down the street.

Why does your right to say something trump their right to have to hear it?

This goes for every type of calling and commenting. Be it negative or positive. If you were calling out to a black guy calling him names, that would be unacceptable but because it is calling out to a woman and saying something you think it positive, it all of sudden becomes ok. Why?

Why can’t you guys just be quiet, keep your comments to yourself and let people walk down the street in peace without being - yes - harassed with unwelcome comments?

Please explain to me why you have to say something and can’t just leave a person alone?

Sorry. In advertising "Sex sells" it's because it hits a spot deep deep down inside everyone, men more than women.

If you think hitting that spot when a women sexualizes her body with revealing clothes isn't provocative, you don't understand men at all.

If a women doesn't want to attract compliments don't dress attractively!

 

[Jenesis]

Sorry. In advertising "Sex sells" it's because it hits a spot deep deep down inside everyone, men more than women.

If you think hitting that spot when a women sexualizes her body with revealing clothes isn't provocative, you don't understand men at all.

If a women doesn't want to attract compliments don't dress attractively!

How about being a gentleman, a decent human being and just keeping your yap shut?

Thankfully society is moving in the direction away from you and your opinion style.

 

[squeezer]

That is your opinion. I can’t change that. But I think I have a little experience in this department since I happen to be a woman and there is a difference to me when I am dressing for me and want no attention for it and when I am dressing for a guy and I want him drooling.

Having had many conversations with other women, they seem to share my experience as well.

But you’re the man - so you would know better I guess.

The question, now keep in mind I'm not a yapper when I see a gorgeous woman. I am more of a glancer and smile but that being said.

Does it not make a difference based on the looks of the guy making the comment? Take out the dudes with the completely classless comments but if it is a very good looking Brad Pitt type guy walks by a hottie and whispers, "you are beautiful" with a big smile in comparison to frumpy George Constanza type doing the same? Is one complimentary and the other creepy?

 

[Jenesis]

The question, now keep in mind I'm not a yapper when I see a gorgeous woman. I am more of a glancer and smile but that being said.

Does it not make a difference based on the looks of the guy making the comment? Take out the dudes with the completely classless comments but if it is a very good looking Brad Pitt type guy walks by a hottie and whispers, "you are beautiful" with a big smile in comparison to frumpy George Constanza type doing the same? Is one complimentary and the other creepy?

Sometimes, yes. It will make a difference.

Just like some ladies actually like the catcalling from anyone and truly do dress up for the attention.

They don’t represent all women. I would say not even 2/3s of women. And therefore most of women get unsolicited comments. And again, a lot of comments in tones and words that you would not want said to your mother.

 

[Uncharted]

That is your opinion. I can’t change that. But I think I have a little experience in this department since I happen to be a woman and there is a difference to me when I am dressing for me and want no attention for it and when I am dressing for a guy and I want him drooling.

Having had many conversations with other women, they seem to share my experience as well.

But you’re the man - so you would know better I guess.

This has nothing to do with me being a man.

It's simple analyses.
Define "feeling sexy". What is "feeling sexy"? How do you know what "sexy" is in order to feel it?

If you were ever the only person in the world, would you still be able to feel sexy? Would you even know what "sexy" is?
Heterosexual women don't dress to emulate that which they find sexually attractive. If they did, they would dress like men.
Heterosexual women dress the exact opposite of what they are sexually attracted to. Why? Who's sexual tastes are they appealing to?

When women say the dress for themselves to feel sexy, the measuring stick of how successful they were, even in their own head, is based on the tastes of the group of people that woman is sexually drawn to. Be it women or men.
Psychologically, Women, and Men for that matter, primp and preen for others, even when they are doing it for themselves.
We do it because we know we will be judged as more desirable by the group who's opinion matters most to us.

Claiming otherwise shows a lack of personal insight. Regardless of if you are a man or a woman.

 

[richaceg]

How about being a gentleman, a decent human being and just keeping your yap shut?

Thankfully society is moving in the direction away from you and your opinion style.

Society isn't moving in the direction...it's being forced to...I don't condone catcalling as it's classless but we all know...women only love reaction from the people they want it coming from...if a bum on the street tells you "you're so hot" it's creepy...a client telling you "you're so hot" won't have the same offensive effect...even if both have the same meaning and tone...

 

[Jenesis]

Society isn't moving in the direction...it's being forced to...I don't condone catcalling as it's classless but we all know...women only love reaction from the people they want it coming from...if a bum on the street tells you "you're so hot" it's creepy...a client telling you "you're so hot" won't have the same offensive effect...even if both have the same meaning and tone...

Of course women only want like a reaction from people they want it coming from. That is ALL people.

And yes - for someit is force to. 'm quite ok with that.

 

[squeezer]

Sometimes, yes. It will make a difference.

Just like some ladies actually like the catcalling from anyone and truly do dress up for the attention.

They don’t represent all women. I would say not even 2/3s of women. And therefore most of women get unsolicited comments. And again, a lot of comments in tones and words that you would not want said to your mother.

We ran a test several years ago in a bar for fun. There were 4 of us having drinks. I spotted 3 gorgeous ladies sitting a the other end of a packed bar, all smoking hot. One of the gentlemen with us was a player and was great at the approach while the other was a normal and average dude. We came up with the same script for both and sent them in 10 minutes apart. The average normal dude struck out with a few eye rolls which I refer to as the kick in the ass as he walked away, the other went in and landed the number of the hottest blonde and ended up seeing her for a month or so. Attractiveness and game are appealing to both sexes because we are human.

 

[Frankfooter]

No one has the right to expect people in public to stop communicating just because they don't want to hear that communication.
If I don't want to hear things, it is my responsibility to block out sounds.
That is what this boils down to.

You call it harassment, but what form of communication qualifies as harassment?
It is entirely subjective to the person claiming to be harassed.
There are certain things that everyone can agree is not appropriate, that comes down to simple manners. They should be scolded for what they are saying and how they are saying it, but not for the simple act of saying anything.
However, telling a woman she is beautiful is not one of those things.

Would it be the same if everywhere you walked women and men said to you:
'hey, you're fat'.
'wow, are you ever bald'.
'how'd you get so old'
'that's a tiny dick'
'I'd never screw you'
(wouldn't that be the same, people judging others by their sexual attractiveness and expressing that directly to you?)

You say you're doing it to appreciate beauty, but beauty and sexiness are different things. Once you say someone is 'sexy' that implies that you'd actually want to screw them, and that's different from saying a flower is beautiful or that puppy is cute. Think of it like this, If you say you think a kid is sexy you'd be in trouble. Why? Because that implies you would have sex with a kid. Catcalls or staring at tits, whistles and that sort of things are all in the 'I'd screw you' type of 'compliment'. Inherent in all of those is you've got a boner for her and all she needs to do is bend over, and maybe you'll just follow along to see if you can convince her.

If you can figure out how to separate them, to compliment women in ways that don't creep them or make them think you're only talking to them in the hopes they'll screw you, you'll do better. But even at its best it means you're judging them on their looks only. But at least you're not doing so in a way that doesn't imply she needs to bend over for you right now.

 

[Jenesis]

K guys. I'm done with the thread. I have stated my point. Some will agree. Some won't.

I hope some got educated and maybe rethinking the next timethey want to call out to a woman.

Tha's the only outcome I can hope for. For the rest, we will have to agree to disagree. Just remember; depending on what you say, it could be sexual harassment.

 

[Leimonis]

this was happening even before social media. It is fairly accurate from men's perspective. However I feel super sorry for women today as they now have to deal with their usual pressure of balancing between class and tackiness in their manner of dress plus the additional bullshit of seeing hoes of all kinds being successful on the internet.

 

[Samranchoi]

For those of you who support cat-calling, start doing it in your workplace for everyone to see and see what happens. In my workplace, I would be out the door. I don’t get why guys act like total a$$76@$? Depending on their situation. Grow some balls and just don’t pick your spots if you choose to be a dick.

But I am guessing that most guys here don’t give a $@&? and are the type who do it anywhere and everywhere and that is why they are sitting at home looking for a job.

 

[Uncharted]

Would it be the same if everywhere you walked women and men said to you:
'hey, you're fat'.
'wow, are you ever bald'.
'how'd you get so old'
'that's a tiny dick'
'I'd never screw you'
(wouldn't that be the same, people judging others by their sexual attractiveness and expressing that directly to you?)

You say you're doing it to appreciate beauty, but beauty and sexiness are different things. Once you say someone is 'sexy' that implies that you'd actually want to screw them, and that's different from saying a flower is beautiful or that puppy is cute. Think of it like this, If you say you think a kid is sexy you'd be in trouble. Why? Because that implies you would have sex with a kid. Catcalls or staring at tits, whistles and that sort of things are all in the 'I'd screw you' type of 'compliment'. Inherent in all of those is you've got a boner for her and all she needs to do is bend over, and maybe you'll just follow along to see if you can convince her.

If you can figure out how to separate them, to compliment women in ways that don't creep them or make them think you're only talking to them in the hopes they'll screw you, you'll do better. But even at its best it means you're judging them on their looks only. But at least you're not doing so in a way that doesn't imply she needs to bend over for you right now.

You quoted my post, yet didn't actually address anything I said in it.

And your entire argument goes out the window when women themselves, including Jenesis, fully admit the dress to make themselves feel "sexy". As that is their motivation, what does that do to your entire dissertation of "sexy"?

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

New York City -- and the US in general -- seems to have a much more extroverted culture than we have.

If she walked down any major thoroughfare in Toronto, guys might discretely take a second look at her, but it's built into Torontonians' collective mindset that we should avoid eye contact with strangers and keep to ourselves.

I don't think that's a bad thing.

 

[Dcoat]

How about being a gentleman, a decent human being and just keeping your yap shut?

Thankfully society is moving in the direction away from you and your opinion style.

I actually don't support cat calling, but don't support it as a crime either.

For those who think harassment by cat calling is a crime, I urge you to think about what happens to men as they are forced to see public posters of semi dressed or provocatively (sexy) clothed women on billboards, or on the sidewalk. Attractive yes, but sexually so. Not what some or many men want interrupting their travel through city streets.

 

[NotADcotor]

I cat call.
My brother's cats are a couple of adorable pudding heads and I will continue to call them pudding heads.

 

[richaceg]

Of course women only want like a reaction from people they want it coming from. That is ALL people.

And yes - for someit is force to. 'm quite ok with that.

So it's only wrong if it's an undesirable human being...

 

[Samranchoi]

What they should do is have the same women walking down with a 6’6” 325 lb guy built like a Mack truck and see what type of comments she gets. Looks, yes, comments, I bet not so much.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

I remember going to strip clubs on Fridays after work in my 20s and sitting right at the stage with my friend. We'd always be nicely dressed, watch the performances quietly and politely smile when eye contact was made. At some point -- guaranteed -- the women would chat with us and we'd always be respectful in return.

Then there'd be the guys who were unshaven with big beer guts wearing old ball caps and hockey jerseys hooting, hollering and yelling obscenities at the women and acting like they'd never seen a pair of breasts before. The dancers would not pay them a nanosecond of mind.

Digest that for a moment.