Woman in tight clothes walks around NYC with camera crew, Is shocked men talk to her. :rolleyes:

[_Melissa]

Can't even tell a women she's beautiful anymore.

There’s a right way and a wrong way to call women beautiful.

I saw several wrong ways in the video. Sometimes it’s not what you say but how you say it. You have to remember that what turns a man on is not going to do the same thing for a woman. Men would love getting raving compliments about their body from a bunch of random women they don’t know. Women are not wired the same.

Let’s use an analogy to further explain my point. If a man likes to get his balls tickled while getting his cock sucked so you think the same technique will work on a woman? NO! Why? Because women do not have a cock and balls. So there’s no point getting upset that something that is acceptable to YOU as a man is unacceptable to most women.

 

[_Melissa]

There’s a right way and a wrong way to call women beautiful.

I saw several wrong ways in the video. Sometimes it’s not what you say but how you say it. You have to remember that what turns a man on is not going to do the same thing for a woman. Men would love getting raving compliments about their body from a bunch of random women they don’t know. Women are not wired the same.

Let’s use an analogy to further explain my point. If a man likes to get his balls tickled while getting his cock sucked so you think the same technique will work on a woman? NO! Why? Because women do not have a cock and balls. So there’s no point getting upset that something that is acceptable to YOU as a man is unacceptable to most women.

oops my phone made it look like I didn’t submit my previous comment about this as the text box was still open. So I deleted half the comment and re edited it. Please disregard my first comment! Thanks *blush*

 

[_Melissa]

You're not wrong about man and women being wired differently: Because this is EXACTLY what most guys wish more women would do.

Why do some women hide the fact that they find a guy attractive and keep it to themselves?

It is an interesting situation.

because it’s not necessary in order for me to carry on with my day. I have things to do and places to go and don’t have time to stop and compliment every attractive guy that walks by. Why should I HAVE to compliment every attractive guy I see? Why is that necessary? Just because I find a man attractive doesn’t mean I NEED to talk to him or tell him he’s attractive.

Also if I compliment a guy 9x out of 10 he will think I’m Making moves on him and try to have a conversation and get my number when I simply just wanted to compliment him and keep it moving. I don’t have time for that. My revised comment above further explains why what works for you as a man but does not work for me as a woman.

People need to stop assuming men and women are wired the same way. We’re NOT!

 

[VIPhunter]

because it’s not necessary in order for me to carry on with my day. I have things to do and places to go and don’t have time to stop and compliment every attractive guy that walks by. Why should I HAVE to compliment every attractive guy I see? Why is that necessary? Just because I find a man attractive doesn’t mean I NEED to talk to him or tell him he’s attractive.

Also if I compliment a guy 9x out of 10 he will think I’m Making moves on him and try to have a conversation and get my number when I simply just wanted to compliment him and keep it moving. I don’t have time for that. My revised comment above further explains why what works for you as a man but does not work for me as a woman.

People need to stop assuming men and women are wired the same way. We’re NOT!

The obvious answer is that you have no obligation to do anything.

But then again why does somebody HAVE to stay quiet when an attractive person walks by?

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

People need to stop assuming men and women are wired the same way. We’re NOT!

Might these differences in wiring cause confusion in the workplace?

Look at the responses in this thread for example. While most women seem to think the woman in the video is a victim and genuinely believes that she is afraid, many (not all) men conclude that she's enjoying every minute of it and volunteered to do the segment because she enjoys the attention. Women's experience with women have informed their view, and men's experience with women have informed their view.

 

[Leimonis]

Might these differences in wiring cause confusion in the workplace?

Look at the responses in this thread for example. While most women seem to think the woman in the video is a victim and genuinely believes that she is afraid, many (not all) men conclude that she's enjoying every minute of it and volunteered to do the segment because she enjoys the attention. Women's experience with women have informed their view, and men's experience with women have informed their view.

maybe men's experience with porn informed their view?

 

[Wanderer09]

I'm sorry you feel I was speaking with you directly, but I can assure you I was not.

I have been speaking directly with Frankfooter. Since he started engaging with me. I was quoting your posts to show Frankfooter exactly what my original post was responding to. Necessary because he seems to either have a very selective memory, or a wildly imaginative one. You were and are not solicited nor required to respond. It was a conversation Frankfooter and I were having. It may have been initiated by a post you made, but you were not being asked to participate any further.

And unless you convince an admin to lock this thread, I believe it is fair policy that any post in this thread can be quoted, at any time by others, for the purposes of continued civil discussion within the thread, for the topic at hand.

And at the risk of being rude, you seem to have a supremely selfish attitude that your wishes trump everyone else's rights no matter how unreasonable your wishes are.
The posts belong to the forum not you. Forum members can quote those posts, as they wish, within the boundaries and rules of the forum.
I'm sorry you don't like that, but the world does not revolve around you.

Have a good day.

For what it's worth Unchartered .. I didn't think you were addressing the person who was quoted. Since the person said others can draw their conclusions. I just wanted to say my conclusion is that you were not addressing the person and don't think you were twisting the words as well. I have reread the few pages and honestly I didn't feel even once that you were eliciting a response from the person based on quotes. It was clear it was in discussion with frankfooter. May be some people will read the context differently but my "conclusion" is you were respectful and not in wrong.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

maybe men's experience with porn informed their view?

If porn informed men's views they would expect to get a blowjob after meeting a woman for 5 minutes. That's not what men expect. You give your gender unreasonably little credit.

 

[masspref]

So, I would say in my main group of friends full of single, married and attached, that two woman who used to be provocative and even too forward in nature when we go out, are now the ones complaining when receiving compliments, even light appropriate ones without any wierd undertones. Both of these women failed at getting the two well-off guys they were going for in life. Funny how that works out.

 

[_Melissa]

Might these differences in wiring cause confusion in the workplace?

Look at the responses in this thread for example. While most women seem to think the woman in the video is a victim and genuinely believes that she is afraid, many (not all) men conclude that she's enjoying every minute of it and volunteered to do the segment because she enjoys the attention. Women's experience with women have informed their view, and men's experience with women have informed their view.

You can’t enjoy the attention and feel uncomfortable at the same time. That’s contradicting. Men assume she’s enjoying it because MEN would enjoy it if it was then in her place. But we are not men so we don’t think that way.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

You can’t enjoy the attention and feel uncomfortable at the same time. That’s contradicting.

Performers/entertainers feel both simultaneously all the time and keep going back for more.

 

[_Melissa]

Performers/entertainers feel both simultaneously all the time and keep going back for more.

That’s different. Feeling nervous before doing something you enjoy doing is normal. Wanting attention and not wanting attention at the same time is completely different. Sorry to tell you but when a woman is simply walking down the street she’s not doing it to entertain anyone. It’s not a performance.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

Sorry to tell you but when a woman is simply walking down the street she’s not doing it to entertain anyone. It’s not a performance.

That really depends on the woman and how she feels on any given day.

 

[_Melissa]

That really depends on the woman and how she feels on any given day.

No one else but that woman can determine that for her.

 

[superstar_88]

I have never seen anyone dress like this in my office workplace

 

[barnacler]

K guys. I'm done with the thread. I have stated my point. Some will agree. Some won't.

I hope some got educated and maybe rethinking the next timethey want to call out to a woman.

Tha's the only outcome I can hope for. For the rest, we will have to agree to disagree. Just remember; depending on what you say, it could be sexual harassment.

I have noticed that you are often 'Done with this thread ' when you encounter arguments that are lucid and based on evidence that you cannot refute.

 

[barnacler]

You are missing what I am saying. You were quoting me directly and speaking to me directly. I don’t want to be rude and just ignore you. Which is why I have said three times now that I am done in this debate. So people know. You are quoting me from days ago trying to continue something I have stated I don’t want to continue. I don’t know why you want to try and force me continue. It is basically no different then unsolicited commenting. I don’t want it. Please refrain from engaging in this debate with me personally any further. Is that so wrong to ask?

As for using my posts as part of the general discussion, if you or others want to quote me as apart of the discussion - fine, but don’t twist my words and context and therefor again try to force me to come and clarify, thereby forcing me to continue the debate. Which I have yet to do but lord knows you are trying whether you realize it or not.

I have now directly asked you stop. You don’t seem to want to, basically you seem to like doing things that other people don’t like or haven’t asked for. Sort of a fuck you attitude to everyone else, you will do what you want no matter the effect on others.

Noted.

But again; I am done. So using my words to twist the meaning or continuing to personally engage me will not be met with any other posts from me. The more you continue to try, the more people will see you for the type of person you truly are. It doesn’t take a lot to give others a little respect. You say you respect me, yet these actions seem to say otherwise.

I asked politely, I stated my request numerous times now. Others can draw the conclusion from here.

All you are doing is demanding the right to the last word, then everyone must be silent. The so-called 'twisting of your words' is merely a difference of opinion.

No can-do.

 

[barnacler]

Now, my rule in these situations is never give someone what they want. A woman dresses incredibly provocatively, ignore her.

Don't be provoked.

If you can't help yourself then you are fucked.

 

[lessjamie7]

From Ontario's definition of 'criminal harassment'.
What behaviours comprise stalking?
Stalking can include a number of different behaviours intended to control and frighten the person being stalked. Most commonly, this can involve: - repeated telephone calls (the caller may hang up or remain silent on the line) to your home, cell phone or workplace in order to “track” your whereabouts - repeated letters or stealing mail - repeated emails [threatening or obscene e-mail or text messages; spamming (in which a stalker sends a victim a multitude of junk e-mail); live chat harassment called flaming; leaving improper messages on message boards or in guest books;

https://www.crcvc.ca/docs/crimharass.pdf

She says leave her out of the conversation, you should apologize and do so, not start flaming her.
Since the argument has boiled down to your belief that you should be able to harass women and they should deal with it if they choose to dress nicely, you should at least read the law to find out at which point it becomes criminal.

And for the sake of argument, I know you don't consider your tactics harassment but then likely the Dundas and Yonge preachers with their megaphones also think the same thing.

Dundas and Yonge preachers

I miss those guys.

LJ

 

[Frankfooter]

Dundas and Yonge preachers

I miss those guys.

LJ

They are back out there, though last time I went by they were targeting the massive lineup for crappy tire at Dundas and Bay.
Still had their megaphones.