Woman in tight clothes walks around NYC with camera crew, Is shocked men talk to her. :rolleyes:

[castaniabrucciatta]

That is you though. Not everyone is like you. Many women don’t want to hear it. They just want to get from A to B comment free. Not all women wearing clothes you find revealing, are attention seekers. You think a dress is appealing, she is just wearing a spring dress in her mind.

So You still have yet to answer my question though; why do you have to say something? Why is your right to speak trumping her right to walk freely with comment?

Why are you the gentleman for making the unasked for comment because it is a positive one but she is the frigid bitch for not wanting or accepting it?



Again; I know pumpkin. Truth hurts.

Hi. I’m not trying to be ‘cute’ or ‘smart’ here but if a guy sees a woman in the street and wants to start a conversation, ask for her number, ask for date etc, what would be appropriate?

What do women want? How would you want to be approached if someone was interested in you?

As for catcalling, no, not cool. But to approach a perfect stranger and tell her she’s beautiful: I don’t think that’s creepy if done in a non-threatening non-douchy way.

I’m old school and if a lady looks good I don’t see a problem.

CB

 

[richaceg]

The reality is, men are instinctively "creeps" we see a hot thumbnail, we click, we google, we search further.we see a hot woman down the street, instinctively "I'd hit it!". does catcalling work? probably .00001% do we do other creepy stuff? well we're here in terb aren't we? looking for ladies, check their twitter, ask for reviews about the ladies...my conclusion is, we get to NOT be creeps for HH for the cost of $160...then we're back to being creeps again.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Hi. I’m not trying to be ‘cute’ or ‘smart’ here but if a guy sees a woman in the street and wants to start a conversation, ask for her number, ask for date etc, what would be appropriate?

What do women want? How would you want to be approached if someone was interested in you?

As for catcalling, no, not cool. But to approach a perfect stranger and tell her she’s beautiful: I don’t think that’s creepy if done in a non-threatening non-douchy way.

I’m old school and if a lady looks good I don’t see a problem.

CB

Only tried it once in the last decade. Saw a smoking hot lady, (over 30) with great legs) talking to her friend in a store. Was going to leave but I couldn't. I had to say something. So she obviously noticed me noticing her. I stepped up and apologized for interrupting but said she was gorgeous and I asked her for a date. She didn't look all that flummoxed I suppose because I was forthright and respectful, (I thought). She said "well good for you for putting yourself out there, but I think I will pass".
I said "no problem. sorry to bother you" and then I left. That's how well that went. No harm no foul I suppose.

 

[WyattEarp]

Only tried it once in the last decade. Saw a smoking hot lady, (over 30) with great legs) talking to her friend in a store. Was going to leave but I couldn't. I had to say something. So she obviously noticed me noticing her. I stepped up and apologized for interrupting but said she was gorgeous and I asked her for a date. She didn't look all that flummoxed I suppose because I was forthright and respectful, (I thought). She said "well good for you for putting yourself out there, but I think I will pass".
I said "no problem. sorry to bother you" and then I left. That's how well that went. No harm no foul I suppose.

I saw a women waiting at an airport gate. She was wearing very short shorts to highlight her legs. I said "How did you get those legs through security?" She laughed, we talked and same deal, she passed. No harm, no foul.

 

[Darts]

I am done with this thread and words are being put in my mouth and some things I have said are being taken out if context.

No truer words said. However, there are intelligent, rational and civil posters on the Board so don;t give up hope.

 

[Frankfooter]

Can we keep me out of it? I am done with this thread and words are being put in my mouth and some things I have said are being taken out if context.


I don't want to debate this anymore, so I don't want to correct and clarify either.

Not trying to be rude. Just done with the convo now.

My apologies and point taken.

 

[WyattEarp]

I remember the beautiful Dani Daniels (one of my favorite pornstars) posted a video on her social media walking through her neighborhood in New York City. It was a cool day so she had on a jacket, but her lovely ass was in yoga pants. Men would compliment her and she would also get cat calls.

A couple thoughts: The first two guys seem like ethnic Latin dudes. This is part of their culture. If you went to Latin America, Spain and even Italy, a beautiful women would expect to get compliments when she walked down the street.

I have a friend who has a beautiful face and smile. Whenever we meet up, strangers including women will tell her how pretty she is. She's a fairly grounded person and she seems genuinely appreciative of compliments from strangers. I asked her once "how often does some stranger stop and tell you how pretty you are?" She smiled and said "a couple times a day". Of course, there is a nice way and a vulgar way and probably a whole lot gray in the middle.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I saw a women waiting at an airport gate. She was wearing very short shorts to highlight her legs. I said "How did you get those legs through security?" She laughed, we talked and same deal, she passed. No harm, no foul.

Yes. I think mine could have responded "nice try" lol. A buddy of mine once said " I'll give you one thing. You aren't afraid to try. Doesn't get you anywhere, but at least you try. "

 

[WyattEarp]

Yes. I think mine could have responded "nice try" lol. A buddy of mine once said " I'll give you one thing. You aren't afraid to try. Doesn't get you anywhere, but at least you try. "

I think it's like baseball if you get a hit once every twenty-five at-bats maybe try a different approach. Unlike baseball though, a .100 average is actually good enough to keep swinging.

While not as brash and obnoxious as some of these guys, I'm fairly assertive and confident so maybe I'm like that .100 batter. However, I have suffered through my share of rejection some very rude. I've also gotten my share of wrong numbers, unanswered voice messages, etc. etc.

 

[Frankfooter]

You really need to look at a dictionary once in a while.
That is not Mischaracterizing. That is simply disagreeing. Her word choice contradicted her own statement, and I simply pointed that out. And because I don't feel like taking you through that particular logic exercise again, I simply quote my post.

Actually that was also verified by Jenesis as well.

And that is subjective to factors only she controls. Like what side of the bed she woke up on. How good of a day she is having.
Not if the man is "self declared" hot. Again, putting words in my mouth. But whether the woman finds the man attractive or not.

See, here is the most important part of this equation you are forgetting.
Women like Jenesis don't want to be judged by their looks and sexual attractiveness, or have any reactions of others predicated on those judgments.
Yet if a woman receives an unsolicited, benign compliment, from a person they themselves have judged to be sexually attractive, their reactions will be different than if it was from someone they didn't find sexually attractive.
So while they are adamant that no one else should judge them on their sexual attractiveness, and have reactions predicated on that judgment, they themselves should be fully allowed to have their reactions predicated on how they judge the sexual attractiveness of someone else.
That is called hypocrisy.



Imagine if a woman flags down a police officer, points to a man across the street and says she wants him arrested for sexual harassment. The Cop asks what happened, and she proceeds to tell him that when she walked by, the man said in a neutral tone, that she "looks beautiful".
Do you think the Cop would arrest him? Do you think a court would convict him?

That's the example I gave. I never mentioned sexual assault. But again, you like to put words in people's mouths
That is an apples to apples comparison.

You still don't understand the premise and still seem to be arguing that what you think is benign 'courtship' can't possibly be considered 'harassment'.
Instead you keep going back to claiming that if you're hot enough, its ok and its hypocritical to not expect 'hot' men to come on to them.

Again, its not you who decides whether your 'courtship' is considered 'harassment', its the women.
Ask them, listen to them and don't tell them they are wrong or hypocritical.

I'm sure there are some women who love being hit on by guys who think that they are hot enough they can get away with it, but you should check with them to see how many think its 'courtship' and how many think its 'harassment'.

 

[Samranchoi]

Women like Jenesis don't want to be judged by their looks and sexual attractiveness, or have any reactions of others predicated on those judgments.

While I agree with most of what you say, based upon her “professional” status here as a sex provider, “Jenesis” appears she is utilizing her sexual attractiveness and looks in order to promote herself. It is outside of her “professional” life that is more of the issue. Two different situations

 

[WyattEarp]

There it is!
Btw the guy in the Motley Crue T shirt is me 30 years ago.

They make Motley Crue T-shirts in larger sizes.

 

[Uncharted]

You still don't understand the premise and still seem to be arguing that what you think is benign 'courtship' can't possibly be considered 'harassment'.
Instead you keep going back to claiming that if you're hot enough, its ok and its hypocritical to not expect 'hot' men to come on to them.

Again, its not you who decides whether your 'courtship' is considered 'harassment', its the women.
Ask them, listen to them and don't tell them they are wrong or hypocritical.

I'm sure there are some women who love being hit on by guys who think that they are hot enough they can get away with it, but you should check with them to see how many think its 'courtship' and how many think its 'harassment'.

You still don't get it, even though you just said it.

Yes the woman decides what comment or expression she considers to be harassment. Which can change from woman to woman, day to day, even from whom is making the comment.
That is the definition of subjectivity. As such harassment is largely subjective. Being offended is largely subjective.

That is why, For the 100th time,
People do not have any enshrined rights to not be offended. People do have enshrined rights to express themselves.

Therefore, one person's desire to not be offended that day does not, legally or ethically, trump another person's right to express themselves, within the reasonable boundaries that society has agreed is not lewd or crude.

So in grounding that axiom back to this topic. It is ridiculous to demand that all men everywhere never utter another word to any woman, no matter how complimentary or gracious, simply because some women somewhere, unbeknownst to the guy, may not want to hear it that day from that particular person at that particular time.

That would be like me saying that because I sometimes feel harassed when people come up to me and ask for directions, that no one should ever be able to ask anyone for directions ever again. Regardless of how genuine, or politely they ask.

Do you get it now?
That is my point, that has always been my point.

You have managed to talk this in circles three times over already, which I proved earlier by actually quoting my own post to again answer something you circled back to.
You fail to understand the argument. Mainly because keep putting words in my mouth, as I have repeatedly demonstrated, to make it fit what you want to attack.
I'm not going to talk this into a forth circle.
Good day.

 

[WyattEarp]

Let us look at what women do to feel sexy. They exemplify the traits that would make them desirable to a mate. According to anthropological studies, blush and lipstick were created to replicate the sexual flush and lip swelling that happens during sexual arousal, to provoke a sexual attraction in others.
Tight clothing shows off the curves of a woman, exemplifying her fertility, thus making her a more desirable mate for others.

Everything women do to "feel" sexy is predicated on causing a reaction in others to their level of sexual attractiveness.

And again, complaining when the reaction isn't exactly the way you want, from the person you want is a double standard from the position of privilege woman have in the courtship process.

Yes, this is the Jordan Peterson argument. It made some people get crazy angry. He says straight out sexual harassment in the workplace should stop, but points out the incongruities.

If you work in office environments, you will come across attractive women who dress professionally and don't draw unnecessary sexual attention. There are others that will wear short, tight skirts and tight blouses sometimes displaying cleavage. They are drawing too much attention to their sexuality.

It's also worth noting that the women who are more obvious in their sexuality often like attention from certain attractive, single men in the workplace. Sometimes it doesn't even seem to matter if the men are married.

 

[WyattEarp]

Im sorry but this is largely incorrect. A small faction of women may do that but trust me, most of us get dressed for ourselves. Not for you. Even if it is a sexy outfit. We are quite capable of making ourselves and wanting ourselves to feel sexy without the affirmation of a man.

I obviously have no idea why women dress the way they do. I can just tell you when men are certain they are just hanging out with the guys or going to 7-11 for a pint of ice cream we mostly look like shit. Now if we know attractive women will be present, that changes everything!!! That 7-11 draws hotties from the condo buildings surrounding it, that sports bar that is a popular place for mixed company later in the evening, etc.

In my neighborhood, many women seem to have a similar approach. If they aren't going to run into too many people, they don't make much of an effort.

Of course everyone should dress the way they want to dress. I just don't know if we can always control how people react to the way we dress.

 

[rtrain]

There are ways to acknowledge a woman is beautiful without making them uncomfortable about it. If you are in a conversation with a woman privately and they feel safe there is no harm in acknowledging it provided the comment fits in the with context of the conversation. If you're talking about work------> NOT APPROPRIATE. If you are at at bar in a social contex ---->OK. If a woman walks past you ----> Still not appropriate.

Yelling that comment from across the street or as someone passes by isn't a compliment. The fact that some guys don't know the difference is pathetic. I've managed to live my entire life acknowledging the beauty of woman without making them uncomfortable. It's not a special talent. It's common sense.




It was but I'm pretty sure you're going to see someone post "women are too sensitive" about these things in this thread. I'm glad some of you guys can kid about this but if you had a daughter or sister being treated like this many of you would change your tune.

I have a wife, daughter and sister and would NEVER allow/encourage them to go out on the streets dressed like the girl in the video. If they did, they should expect catcalls etc. It doesn't mean it's right but guys will be guys. Personally speaking, I have NEVER catcalled a woman. Like all guys, I've looked but didn't have it in me to go any further than that, that's just weird.

 

[Frankfooter]

Still don't get it, even though you just said it.

Yes the woman decides what comment or expression she considers to be harassment. Which can change from woman to woman, day to day, even from whom is making the comment.
That is the definition of subjectivity. As such harassment is largely subjective. Being offended is largely subjective.

That is why, For the 100th time,
People do not have any enshrined rights to not be offended. People do have enshrined rights to express themselves.

Therefore, one person's desire to not be offended that day does not, legally or ethically, trump another person's right to express themselves, within the reasonable boundaries that society has agreed is not lewd or crude.

So in grounding that axiom back to this topic. It is ridiculous to demand that all men everywhere never utter another word to any woman, no matter how complimentary or gracious, simply because some women somewhere, unbeknownst to the guy, may not want to hear it that day from that particular person at that particular time.

That would be like me saying that because I sometimes feel harassed when people come up to me and ask for directions, that no one should ever be able to ask anyone for directions ever again. Regardless of how genuine, or politely they ask.

Do you get it now?
That is my point, that has always been my point.

You have managed to talk this in circles three times over already, which I proved earlier by actually quoting my own post to again answer something you circled back to.
You fail to understand the argument. Mainly because keep putting words in my mouth, as I have repeatedly demonstrated, to make it fit what you want to attack.
I'm not going to talk this into a forth circle.
Good day.

This is a circle, isn't it?
You say people don't have a right to be not offended, but it is illegal to 'harass' them.

Nobody is demanding men never say anything to women, that's a straw man.
But you are demanding that every women you think is dressed sexy must be open to 'courtship' to you, based on how hot you are or the hope that they woke up that day hoping for you to hit on them.

This was a thread about catcalls.
I just think the world would be a better place if women felt safe enough to dress however they wanted and not suffer through unwanted 'courtship'.
But mostly, you probably just need to up your game. Saying 'hey, beautiful' is a bit like those preachers on the corner of Yonge and Dundas. They are also expressing themselves freely. Same goes with panhandlers.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

I have a wife, daughter and sister and would NEVER allow/encourage them to go out on the streets dressed like the girl in the video. If they did, they should expect catcalls etc.

Ah yes....blame the victim. Well done "Dad."

 

[VIPhunter]

There’s a right way and a wrong way to call women beautiful. I saw several wrong ways in this video. Remember that women are not men. So the same things that are ok and acceptable for men are not going to be ok for women. We are wired differently.

With that being said why do some men feel like they HAVE to go out of their way to tell a woman they don’t know that she’s beautiful or has a nice body or a number of other things? Do you go out or your way to compliment women you don’t find beautiful? Do you think it’s possible to admire someone without having the impulse to tell them? I see attractive men walking down the street all the time. I look and admire and maybe even smile at them if I catch their eye but I don’t feel a sudden rushing urge to go up to them and tell them what I think of them.

You're not wrong about man and women being wired differently: Because this is EXACTLY what most guys wish more women would do.

Why do some women hide the fact that they find a guy attractive and keep it to themselves?

It is an interesting situation.

 

[lessjamie7]

Yet you were not posting in general to the thread. You quoted my post which means you were replying to what I wrote specifically.



And if you read her posts she indicated any form of expression from a man was unacceptable. Good or bad.
And if you read my response, you know the one you quoted, I was clearly using the example of telling a woman she looks beautiful, and the fact that women consider that creepy based on who is saying it, not what or how it is said. The fact that you consider such a benign example of courtship "creepy" just proves my point.



Yes, and you did that by putting words in my mouth, that I never wrote, simply to bolster your point. Many people take issue with that tactic.
I simply countered your point using the logic you presented in it. Is this not a discussion?



Aggressive? If you call trying to keep the record straight, when someone keeps putting words in your mouth, or utilizing someone's own logic to counter their point aggressive, then maybe you should refrain from taking part in stimulating social discussions.

stimulating?

LOL

LJ