Woman in tight clothes walks around NYC with camera crew, Is shocked men talk to her. :rolleyes:

[NotADcotor]

The whole don't even look... unless I think you are attractive enough is annoying

However I am sure most dudes who claim they don't mind a compliment would get pretty sick of it if it was multiple times a day... and from female soggoths and gay dudes.
I could see that getting pretty old pretty fast.

However I will still look and stay silent because

Oh without the cross dressing, oh those wacky kids in the hall.

And like fuck if I am going to apologize for that especially from a gender that tosses out "don't slut shame me" like it's candy to a pedo.

 

[richaceg]

Lock these guys for sexual harrassment...

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

The problem is not one nice compliment. Its the abundance of it. And its men turning to monkey when the women ignores them. About 3-4 years ago a work colleague was walking to our office. In the summer when she arrived at the office she would tell me what she had been cat called... hey beauty... hey need a dick... are you lesbian.. bitch... bitchy bitch... be my slut.. and a lot more...

Guys admire and shut the fuck up.

Calling someone is a bitch, slut, or lesbian isn't a compliment, so your post is irrelevant.

I'm not disagreeing with you Jen. I can see your point and it's quite reasonable.

Surely however, you can see it from the other side, right? Most guys would kill for a bevy of women to comment on his body, or crotch, or arms, or whatever.

I think it's very much like unsolicited nude photos. Men love 'em...women hate 'em.

That's the crux of it. I get it. It can be a nuisance and annoying. Get over it. Some problems are good to have. When they're 50 it'll all be over.

 

[kherg007]

How often have you heard a man say to "nice rack" to a woman in Toronto? Someone is exaggerating. The fact that your friends say such actions never lead to a date incentivizes them to not do it.

That's just one example. "Hey mama" "yo check it out we likee" "shake it baby" "bouncy bouncy bouncy" etc etc are all in the panoply of comments that do not render success. I used to do construction as a younger bloke in the summer in NYC area and in NSW (Sydney area) and those phrases get tossed out to the occassional lady passing by. It was never successful. No one could ever verify it leading to success in their memories. I think it had more to do with the blokes showing off for each other being macho.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

Can't even tell a women she's beautiful anymore.

Any man could have answered whether the "mask" experiment was going to work or not. So many men out there that are in lust with a woman's body.

I like her body language when asked if she'd ever go on a date with a guy that "cat called" her... she can barely hold back from giggling and says insincerely that that's the last type of guy she would ever go on a date with.

I'd put money on it that she's gone out on dates with a guy(s) that have done just that.

Anyway, I couldn't care less about this story. Hopefully men will ignore her in the future so that she can find peace.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

That's just one example. "Hey mama" "yo check it out we likee" "shake it baby" "bouncy bouncy bouncy" etc etc are all in the panoply of comments that do not render success. I used to do construction as a younger bloke in the summer in NYC area and in NSW (Sydney area) and those phrases get tossed out to the occassional lady passing by. It was never successful. No one could ever verify it leading to success in their memories. I think it had more to do with the blokes showing off for each other being macho.

That's what it was... guys being "macho" under the cover of crowd anonymity.

Of course it didn't work. No woman is going to stop and start picking her favorite out of a crowd of horny men to go home with, in front of that crowd.

 

[jalimon]

Calling someone is a bitch, slut, or lesbian isn't a compliment, so your post is irrelevant.

She was being called that because she was ignoring the compliment. This is the part when men turn to monkey...

 

[Jenesis]

How often have you heard a man say to "nice rack" to a woman in Toronto? Someone is exaggerating. The fact that your friends say such actions never lead to a date incentivizes them to not do it.

So because you don’t hear it or hear it often enough, that means it doesn’t happen???

I have personally had it happen to me. I had men literally be staring so hard at my tits, they walk into me instead of past me. And I’m not wearing some low cut cleavage number either.

These are not exaggerations. These are real life experiences of multiple incidence.

Granted it is not daily for me like some. And it is not as much as it was when I was 20. Which was basically daily back then but this is my reality. Why are you invalidating that?

That's the crux of it. I get it. It can be a nuisance and annoying. Get over it. Some problems are good to have. When they're 50 it'll all be over.

Never mind. There is no point having a logical debate with you when you think sexual harassment is good problem to have.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

I have personally had it happen to me. I had men literally be staring so hard at my tits, they walk into me instead of past me. And I’m not wearing some low cut cleavage number either.

These are not exaggerations. These are real life experiences of multiple incidence.

What is the demographic of these men? Are they middle-class guys, clue collar, Canadian-born or immigrants, are they alone or in a crowd, muscle-bound guy or average joe etc?

I personally don't know men within my circle that would say that to a woman. The potential blowback isn't worth it even if one's moral compass is off.

Is it as common or akin to the bum on the street yelling obscenities at strangers? It happens, but it's not a usual occurrence.

 

[Jenesis]

What is the demographic of these men? Are they middle-class guys, clue collar, Canadian-born or immigrants, are they alone or in a crowd, muscle-bound guy or average joe etc?

I personally don't know men within my circle that would say that to a woman. The potential blowback isn't worth it even if one's moral compass is off.

It is as common or akin to the bum on the street yelling obscenities at strangers? It happens, but it's not a usual occurrence.

What does it matter what the demo is? I have had it from young 20thing punks to older guys, to construction guys to white, black, brown. I can’t say Asian. Does that help?

So what if you don’t know anyone? Maybe you do and they don’t do it around you. Who knows, but you can’t actually deny that it happens and enough to be a topic of debate on this board multiple times over multiple years. Because it is a topic that comes up in the news and SM all the time because it happens all the time.

 

[Samranchoi]

Is it as common or akin to the bum on the street yelling obscenities at strangers? It happens, but it's not a usual occurrence.

Well, there are homeless people on the street who have mental health issues so can you equate the two situations. Wait a second, now that I think of it, the mental health issues of both are probable very similar. Glad you feel at home with either of these two group of individuals.

 

[Uncharted]

Why do you think your need to compliment should trump a persons right to freely walk without harassment?

No one has the right to expect people in public to stop communicating just because they don't want to hear that communication.
If I don't want to hear things, it is my responsibility to block out sounds.
That is what this boils down to.

You call it harassment, but what form of communication qualifies as harassment?
It is entirely subjective to the person claiming to be harassed.
There are certain things that everyone can agree is not appropriate, that comes down to simple manners. They should be scolded for what they are saying and how they are saying it, but not for the simple act of saying anything.
However, telling a woman she is beautiful is not one of those things.

Example. Some ugly "creepy" looking guy, simply tells a woman she is beautiful in an honest way. She thinks it is gross and is offended.
Some male model looking guy says exactly the same thing in exactly the same way to the same woman, and the woman squeals with joy and tells all her friends.
Same words. Same delivery. Same sentiment. Why did she consider it harassment from one guy and not the other guy? And are all guys supposed to never say that to her just because of how she "feels" if it is said by a person whom she doesn't find attractive?

No one's right to subjectively be offended trumps another person's right to express themselves.
A guy I know served in Afghanistan, and was held hostage there for a bit. He is greatly triggered and offended when hearing people speak Arabic. Should he have the right to tell people in public to never communicate in Arabic as long as he is in ear shot? I think not.

If women didn't want to be considered attractive, and have their looks impact others, then why do they play this game of primping and preening?
Why is there a billion dollar cosmetic industry? Woman can leave the house without any makeup.
Why do women wear clothing that shows off their curves? There is clothing that hides the figure?
Women choose to do this. None of it is necessary or forced. Woman want to look attractive to others. Otherwise they'd leave the house in far more comfortable clothes, no makeup and hair that only took them seconds to do. They also want validation from others that this is the case. Otherwise what was the point in doing all the work?
Women just want the validation in specific ways, from specific types of people, at specific times, that changes from Woman to Woman to Woman.

Again we can all agree on certain comments being out of line, but to call any form of acknowledgement of a Woman's attractiveness, which is the reason she put on that makeup and that tight outfit, harassment, is an example of a double standard that only comes from the position of privilege women have in the courtship process.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Hey ladies, dont worry about the catcalling so much, worry about the day catcalling stops

 

[richaceg]

 

[Jenesis]

Again we can all agree on certain comments being out of line, but to call any form of acknowledgement of a Woman's attractiveness, which is the reason she put on that makeup and that tight outfit, harassment, is an example of a double standard that only comes from the position of privilege women have in the courtship process.

Im sorry but this is largely incorrect. A small faction of women may do that but trust me, most of us get dressed for ourselves. Not for you. Even if it is a sexy outfit. We are quite capable of making ourselves and wanting ourselves to feel sexy without the affirmation of a man.

And don’t blame me for the definition. I didn’t make it. Making unwanted and unrequested comments is considered harassment. Add a sexual nature to that comment and you have sexual harassment. That is what it is.

Now I get what you are trying to say. There is a difference between “Excuse me, I just wanted to tell you that you are beautiful. Have a great day” is a lot different then “hey baby, you got as fuck. Wanna come play with me today?”

The latter wouldn’t get the attention of 90% of women even if he was a model. The former, I agree, the guy’s looks, demeanour, personality could play a difference in how the lady responds but that does not negate the facts, nor does it change that even if the former was done by a “good guy” , there are a lot of times we just want to get from A to B without being harassed in any way. Perceived positive or not.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Do you know the definition of harass

The examples in the video werent really harrassment though. They just told her she was beautiful and that was it.
If they started following her around then that would definitely be harrassment

 

[Jenesis]

The examples in the video werent really harrassment though. They just told her she was beautiful and that was it.
If they started following her around then that would definitely be harrassment

There were comments that would have considered being crossing the line. From what I can remember. Honestly, I will have to rematch to quote some. Mind you I didn’t hear some of the more vulgar things that have been said to me.

Hey ladies, dont worry about the catcalling so much, worry about the day catcalling stops

Trust me - not worried about that day at all.

Admittedly it is less then when I was 20 and honestly, I am so thankful for that.

 

[Leimonis]

That's just one example. "Hey mama" "yo check it out we likee" "shake it baby" "bouncy bouncy bouncy" etc etc are all in the panoply of comments that do not render success. I used to do construction as a younger bloke in the summer in NYC area and in NSW (Sydney area) and those phrases get tossed out to the occassional lady passing by. It was never successful. No one could ever verify it leading to success in their memories. I think it had more to do with the blokes showing off for each other being macho.

so ladies dress for themselves and men harass for themselves...

 

[barnacler]

No one has the right to expect people in public to stop communicating just because they don't want to hear that communication.
If I don't want to hear things, it is my responsibility to block out sounds.
That is what this boils down to.

You call it harassment, but what form of communication qualifies as harassment?
It is entirely subjective to the person claiming to be harassed.
There are certain things that everyone can agree is not appropriate, that comes down to simple manners. They should be scolded for what they are saying and how they are saying it, but not for the simple act of saying anything.
However, telling a woman she is beautiful is not one of those things.

Example. Some ugly "creepy" looking guy, simply tells a woman she is beautiful in an honest way. She thinks it is gross and is offended.
Some male model looking guy says exactly the same thing in exactly the same way to the same woman, and the woman squeals with joy and tells all her friends.
Same words. Same delivery. Same sentiment. Why did she consider it harassment from one guy and not the other guy? And are all guys supposed to never say that to her just because of how she "feels" if it is said by a person whom she doesn't find attractive?

No one's right to subjectively be offended trumps another person's right to express themselves.
A guy I know served in Afghanistan, and was held hostage there for a bit. He is greatly triggered and offended when hearing people speak Arabic. Should he have the right to tell people in public to never communicate in Arabic as long as he is in ear shot? I think not.

If women didn't want to be considered attractive, and have their looks impact others, then why do they play this game of primping and preening?
Why is there a billion dollar cosmetic industry? Woman can leave the house without any makeup.
Why do women wear clothing that shows off their curves? There is clothing that hides the figure?
Women choose to do this. None of it is necessary or forced. Woman want to look attractive to others. Otherwise they'd leave the house in far more comfortable clothes, no makeup and hair that only took them seconds to do. They also want validation from others that this is the case. Otherwise what was the point in doing all the work?
Women just want the validation in specific ways, from specific types of people, at specific times, that changes from Woman to Woman to Woman.

Again we can all agree on certain comments being out of line, but to call any form of acknowledgement of a Woman's attractiveness, which is the reason she put on that makeup and that tight outfit, harassment, is an example of a double standard that only comes from the position of privilege women have in the courtship process.

My worry is that this sentiment of controlling other people's speech because we don't like it turns into a LAW.

Then, you have established that in this specific instance, for a specific reason, one person saying something to the other that that other person doesn't want to hear is illegal. In this case, a perceived sexual harassment. But there are many many things that we all could find offensive. So government then steps in to decide what is offensive and what isn't. Of course, everything non-politically correct in today's society would be the first to be targeted.

Every Marxist society tightly controls free speech, and cultural Marxism is no different. This is why I have never been in favour of hate speech laws.

That is what is scary.

In Pakistan, as I (approximately) recall, you cannot say anything offensive to Islam or you can be charged, but it is used to go after enemies. So everything turns into he said / she said.

Have an angry interaction with a woman anywhere - she can go after you for verbal harassment. You lose by just being charged.

 

[Uncharted]

Im sorry but this is largely incorrect. A small faction of women may do that but trust me, most of us get dressed for ourselves. Not for you. Even if it is a sexy outfit. We are quite capable of making ourselves and wanting ourselves to feel sexy without the affirmation of a man.

Your own statement is contrary to what you are saying.
Wanting yourself to feel sexy. And what is the measuring stick to feeling sexy? Sexy to who? For what purpose?
One can not be sexy in a vacuum. Therefore one can not feel sexy, if there is no one else to deem them such.

Let us look at what women do to feel sexy. They exemplify the traits that would make them desirable to a mate.
According to anthropological studies, blush and lipstick were created to replicate the sexual flush and lip swelling that happens during sexual arousal, to provoke a sexual attraction in others.
Tight clothing shows off the curves of a woman, exemplifying her fertility, thus making her a more desirable mate for others.

Everything women do to "feel" sexy is predicated on causing a reaction in others to their level of sexual attractiveness.

And again, complaining when the reaction isn't exactly the way you want, from the person you want is a double standard from the position of privilege woman have in the courtship process.

I would like to be able to drive from A to B without encountering people who don't drive at the speed I want to drive at. But I don't call what they are doing a crime.