2020-21 Maple Leafs Thread

[maurice93]

I see it like this...

Re-sign Hyman to play with Matthews and find another more experienced, but cheaper setup guy to replace Marner. I like him, but his contract has got to go. Willy is cheaper, and locked up for longer, so makes better financial sense to keep him. If you don't like him next year, you can still move him before his NMC/NTC kicks in in a couple years.
Play Willy with Tavares and find a gritty winger to dig the puck out for them just like Hyman does now.
Keep Foligno and Spezza as your #3 and #4 centres.
Keep Kerfoot, Simmonds, and hope one or more of Robertson, Brooks, or Amirov can step up for the regular season. Maybe go shopping for another quality #3 or #4 winger.
Keep Muzzin, Holl, Brodie, Sandin, Dermott, Hutton, and Lilejegren. See how Bogosian looks early on in the reg season, upgrade if necessary.
Shop for a major stud on defense to replace Reilly.

Keep Campbell, Rittich. Shop for a better #2

This means trading Marner, Reilly, Mikheyev, and Engvall if possible.
Let go of Thornton, Nash, Galchenyuk, and Andersen. Maybe Andersen can be re-signed for less...if so, do it and send Rittich to the Marlies. If not no biggee IMO.

Basically, its add two quality wingers for what you were paying Marner; Get a quality 3rd line guy to upgrade bottom six. Add a stud defenseman with money from casting off Reilly, Andersen, Mik, Engvall, Thornton, Nash, and Gally.

If you are planning on taking equal money back for Marner your proposal may not work under the cap.

Hyman is a big raise. Anderson going away offsets that.

Foligno only fit under the cap this year because Columbus retained and you only had him for 25% of the year. So it may have cost you about maybe $700k of cap hit In 2021 but next year it will be over 5 million.

 

[maurice93]

I called the three game collapse to a few friends.

I long ago stopped giving this team any emotional support.

Call me when they get the third round in the future. Until then they don't deserve the eyeballs. It was a choke. Pure and simple. A team collapse.

i called the Stanley cup winner the last 14 years.

 

[Fun For All]

I see it like this...

Re-sign Hyman to play with Matthews and find another more experienced, but cheaper setup guy to replace Marner. I like him, but his contract has got to go. Willy is cheaper, and locked up for longer, so makes better financial sense to keep him. If you don't like him next year, you can still move him before his NMC/NTC kicks in in a couple years.
Play Willy with Tavares and find a gritty winger to dig the puck out for them just like Hyman does now.
Keep Foligno and Spezza as your #3 and #4 centres.
Keep Kerfoot, Simmonds, and hope one or more of Robertson, Brooks, or Amirov can step up for the regular season. Maybe go shopping for another quality #3 or #4 winger.
Keep Muzzin, Holl, Brodie, Sandin, Dermott, Hutton, and Lilejegren. See how Bogosian looks early on in the reg season, upgrade if necessary.
Shop for a major stud on defense to replace Reilly.

Keep Campbell, Rittich. Shop for a better #2

This means trading Marner, Reilly, Mikheyev, and Engvall if possible.
Let go of Thornton, Nash, Galchenyuk, and Andersen. Maybe Andersen can be re-signed for less...if so, do it and send Rittich to the Marlies. If not no biggee IMO.

Basically, its add two quality wingers for what you were paying Marner; Get a quality 3rd line guy to upgrade bottom six. Add a stud defenseman with money from casting off Reilly, Andersen, Mik, Engvall, Thornton, Nash, and Gally.

I got a few problems with that...
-you are not going to find a team that has $10 mil to spare to take Marner's contract
-you don't trade Marner, you don't blame him him for this, there is lots of blame to go around
-Foligno is not a center and is a UFA, it will be a challenge to keep him and he's better on the wing
-the defenceman you want to keep is weak, Bogosian is better than 4 of them
-Reilly still has a year left and is a bargain at $5 m
-a combo of Campbell-Rittich would be poor

 

[Butler1000]

i called the Stanley cup winner the last 14 years.

Hope you placed bets.......

Like I said, it wasn't a difficult call to see with the way they were playing. Fans are blinded by dreams of a parade.

Now the anger is palatable. Hopefully more fans will say its enough and walk away.

 

[shack]

Hope you placed bets.......

Like I said, it wasn't a difficult call to see with the way they were playing.

So says Captain hindsight.

So what odds did you get on Montreal winning when you bet on them down 3 games to 1?

 

[Darts]

In my opinion they don't win because in the end they don't have to. Everything will sell. Until the fans leave empty seats and stop watching the owners won't care. Won't create a truly winning culture. Won't demand it of the players. Of the coaches. Of the management.

They don't care, so why do you?

One problem with Leaf fans (as we see with 3 members here) is that some/many are poor judges of on ice hockey talent and are arrogant and cocky to boot.

 

[John Wick]

I just proved that whatever you were trying to point out was ridiculous. And the only reason you even tried is that, for some reason, I must be in your head. Too bad for you that you failed miserably. You claimed that I was saying the only reason the Leafs lost was because of luck. I showed my posts on the Leafs' loss had nothing to do with luck. Coaching, goaltending, poor decision making was what I said.

So if you care as little as you say you do about what I post, it should be safe to assume that you won't bother with any more lame attempts at trying to prove how little I know compared to you. After all, I am insignificant to you, which I am perfectly fine with. Why waste your time? Especially when you embarrass yourself in attempting to do so.

Now you see, you went and lost your mind over it. So predictable.

 

[John Wick]

‘Our ideas may be different in some details but I think we’re on the same page, that either Marner or Nylander should be traded to add more talent on defence and depth. I still think Marner is the better “team player” than Nylander, he plays better defence, one of the best set up men, and kills penalty. I suppose it’ll largely depend on what return we can get for either and that is something we fans don’t have access to. Nylander to me is a one trick pony but he does that trick (finishing) better than Marner.

Zeth Jones is an upgrade on defence over Rielly but not offence. The Leafs also desperately need a quarterback for the power play. Rielly is ineffective and Sandin is questionable as to when and if he’ll develop into a pp quarterback. Again we don’t have information to who’s available and at what costs, but it‘s part of the fun for us fans to speculate and play armchair gms.

Don't get me wrong. I like Marner waaay more than Nylander. Period. He's the real deal, 100% two way forward. But I think the only way you start to improve this team is by moving money...Marner and his contract holds the highest potential return unfortunately, and if they are serious about fixing, at least one drastic move will probably be necessary.

 

[shack]

Now you see, you went and lost your mind over it. So predictable.

Just as you had no concept of what my other posts meant, you have no concept of my state of mind. I enjoyed this exchange with you.

 

[mandrill]

 

[glamphotographer]

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The Pens lost 3 straight now.

 

[John Wick]

I got a few problems with that...
-you are not going to find a team that has $10 mil to spare to take Marner's contract
-you don't trade Marner, you don't blame him him for this, there is lots of blame to go around
-Foligno is not a center and is a UFA, it will be a challenge to keep him and he's better on the wing
-the defenceman you want to keep is weak, Bogosian is better than 4 of them
-Reilly still has a year left
-a combo of Campbell-Rittich would be poor

There are always teams willing to make money available for the right player. There will be lots of suitors for Marner if he is shopped. As I said above, I don't want to trade him, but don't see any other viable options to free up enough money to make significant upgrades.

I think you still try to keep Foligno if you can. Time for Reilly to go before he totally implodes. Bogosian played like the oldest 30year old in history. IMO he may be too slow for a future version of this team. Or not. As smuddan said, 80% of the fun is being an armchair GM.

 

[John Wick]

I enjoyed this exchange with you.

Of course you did. Everyone knows that arguing with complete strangers on the internet gets you hard. It's like Viagra for cranky old basement trolls who have no life. Moving on...

 

[shack]

Of course you did. Everyone knows that arguing with complete strangers on the internet gets you hard. It's like Viagra for cranky old basement trolls who have no life. Moving on...

LOL. You can't let it go. You keep responding and the only thing that you can do is hurl insults because I proved that you were wrong. You are obsessed with me. I told you about 3 or 4 of your insult heavy posts ago that you should stop because you were embarrassing yourself..

 

[shack]

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I did some calculations based on that graphic.

The average team has only won 0.47 playoff series per year in that time. As such, the Leafs are less than 1/2 of a series behind the average team.

It's amazing what you can do with numbers.

 

[Insidious Von]

Update of a Cheech and Chong joke:

Hey there groovy guys, tired of the steady drip, drip, drip of gonorrhea?

Then Leafs Rooter could be just what you've been looking for.
Leafs Rooter, that's the name, you just flush hopes and dreams down the drain.

 

[John Wick]

shack said:

LOL. You can't let it go. You keep responding and the only thing that you can do is hurl insults because I proved that you were wrong. You are obsessed with me. I told you about 3 or 4 of your insult heavy posts ago that you should stop. Be careful not to step on that tail between your legs as you run away.

 

[shack]

Moving on...

LOL

 

[mandrill]

I did some calculations based on that graphic.

The average team has only won 0.47 playoff series per year in that time. As such, the Leafs are less than 1/2 of a series behind the average team.

It's amazing what you can do with numbers.

If you divide that number by the average of all the numbers on the Leafs' jerseys and multiply by .5, the Leafs have in fact won MORE series than any other NHL team in the last 15 years.

 

[shack]

If you divide that number by the average of all the numbers on the Leafs' jerseys and multiply by .5, the Leafs have in fact won MORE series than any other NHL team in the last 15 years.

Great minds think alike.