Canadian Vaccine Side Effects

[Valcazar]

Non medical logic but I would have expected severe reactions (eg anaphylactic shock) on 1st dose

Oh. Severe might be more up in the air, but allergic reaction is probably more likely first dose than second. (If you are already likely to react to the product itself.)
Yes, an abnormal reaction because something else is going on will probably manifest on the first shot.

The commentary was on vaccine side effects, not on vaccine efficiency

Right. Actual side effects or adverse effects are overwhelmingly from the body working with the vaccine, so that is why people talk about the side effects for the vaccines tending to be worse for the second shot.
That big list of side effects seen with the vaccine are the normal things you would expect.

 

[TeeJay]

Oh. Severe might be more up in the air, but allergic reaction is probably more likely first dose than second. (If you are already likely to react to the product itself.)
Yes, an abnormal reaction because something else is going on will probably manifest on the first shot.

Right. Actual side effects or adverse effects are overwhelmingly from the body working with the vaccine, so that is why people talk about the side effects for the vaccines tending to be worse for the second shot.
That big list of side effects seen with the vaccine are the normal things you would expect.

Fair enough; I was more concerned with the 750 severe (life threatening) reactions than the 3900 adverse (non life threatening) reactions

That's why I was surprised people saying 2nd dose could be worse

 

[Valcazar]

Fair enough; I was more concerned with the 750 severe (life threatening) reactions than the 3900 adverse (non life threatening) reactions

That's why I was surprised people saying 2nd dose could be worse

Everyone talking about "the side effects are worse for the second dose" is talking about the normal adverse events. (Because that is what the VAST majority of people experience.)

 

[doggyorcg]

Did your GP fill out one of these for you?
https://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/pdf/raefi-dmcisi-eng.pdf
He is required to, if you tell him you had a vaccination.
He will need your second confirmation of vaccination form.
Here is the site with the necessary guidelines to fill out the form properly.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-hea...guide-completion-submission-aefi-reports.html

This is why the number Adverse Events reported to Health Canada under represented. Seems like reporting an adverse event is the last thing family doctors want to do. And we all know how dismissive doctors are when we "uneducated patients" tell them things.

 

[lenny2]

Vaccines often have side effects, didn't you know?

Likewise with drugs like NSAIDs, opiates, etc. Which kill many people, too.

Then there's car accidents & deaths, etc. Ever get in a car, or do you live 24/7 365 days year in a bomb shelter beneath your mommys' basement;

Afraid of needles, too?

 

[doggyorcg]

Vaccines often have side effects, didn't you know?

Likewise with drugs like NSAIDs, opiates, etc. Which kill many people, too.

Then there's car accidents & deaths, etc. Ever get in a car, or do you live 24/7 365 days year in a bomb shelter beneath your mommys' basement;

Afraid of needles, too?

There's no problem with car accidents being reported, thanks to the insurance industry and the police. The problem is reporting of adverse events. If there were incentives to report or severe punishment for not reporting (e.g., docs licenses suspended), there would be faith in the adverse reporting system. Right now the adverse reporting system is a POS.

 

[shack]

This is why the number Adverse Events reported to Health Canada under represented.

Link?

 

[PeteOsborne]

This is why the number Adverse Events reported to Health Canada under represented. Seems like reporting an adverse event is the last thing family doctors want to do. And we all know how dismissive doctors are when we "uneducated patients" tell them things.

Links to evidence of adverse effects being under reported please.

 

[Male4Strapon]

Links to evidence of adverse effects being under reported please.

Evidence? Or some random blog / fringe website? You may to clarify for him.

 

[PeteOsborne]

There's no problem with car accidents being reported, thanks to the insurance industry and the police. The problem is reporting of adverse events. If there were incentives to report or severe punishment for not reporting (e.g., docs licenses suspended), there would be faith in the adverse reporting system. Right now the adverse reporting system is a POS.

Last I read it was up to 5 years in prison, court decided fine or both.
I don't have time right now to look it up but it is in line with the US regs as well under failing to report to government or making a false report to a government agency.

 

[doggyorcg]

Links to evidence of adverse effects being under reported please.

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/why-there-under-reporting-adverse-events

This POS has been stinky for a long time. Wouldn’t want to hang my hat on their numbers.

 

[doggyorcg]

Evidence? Or some random blog / fringe website? You may to clarify for him.

You will need to use your full on Queen’s English accent reading the link I just posted. Snobbery index is high.

 

[PeteOsborne]

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/why-there-under-reporting-adverse-events

This POS has been stinky for a long time. Wouldn’t want to hang my hat on their numbers.

Thank you for the link.
This is a report from 17 years ago of non reporting of adverse events in a single hospital under one doctor of all adverse events in a hospital in the UK
It states" In the United Kingdom, the National Patient Safety Agency (NPSA) was created to learn from patient safety incidents occurring in the NHS.w2 In February 2004, it launched a new patient reporting system, drawing together reports of patient safety errors and systems failures provided by health professionals across England and Wales."
I guess I should have been more specific. You said " This is why the number Adverse Events reported to Health Canada under represented. "
Could you please provide up to date evidence, at least since Jan 2020,of under reporting of vaccine adverse effects to Health Canada.

 

[shack]

Thank you for the link.
This is a report from 17 years ago of non reporting of adverse events in a single hospital under one doctor of all adverse events in a hospital in the UK

And that's the best that he could come up with? OMFG.

He is stupid if he thinks that proves his point.
He is even stupider if he thought no one would realize how stupid his link was.

I am eagerly awaiting his response.

 

[Valcazar]

Links to evidence of adverse effects being under reported please.

Outside of actual phase IV studies or specific safety monitoring system, most people don't report adverse events.
If I feel a little nausea or a headache the next day after getting a shot, it isn't going to get reported.

 

[PeteOsborne]

Outside of actual phase IV studies or specific safety monitoring system, most people don't report adverse events.
If I feel a little nausea or a headache the next day after getting a shot, it isn't going to get reported.

Agreed, a little nausea or a headache are not considered adverse effects and should not be reported but in some cases they are and that is why the reports are considered as raw data.
If you look there are even reports of flatulence after vaccination listed as an adverse effect, minor or expected effects like this are not what the system was designed for.

 

[Valcazar]

Agreed, a little nausea or a headache are not considered adverse effects and should not be reported but in some cases they are and that is why the reports are considered as raw data.
If you look there are even reports of flatulence after vaccination listed as an adverse effect, minor or expected effects like this are not what the system was designed for.

They are adverse effects. That's why they get listed.
They aren't significant ones that people should be worried about, but any study will include them.

 

[glamphotographer]

I had my 2nd dosage last Friday. Headache, chest pain, dizziness and constant sleep. Contacted GP and not much help. Hope it goes away soon.

It means the vaccine is working. The second dose will make most feel crummy. Keep resting it will go away.

 

[PeteOsborne]

They are adverse effects. That's why they get listed.
They aren't significant ones that people should be worried about, but any study will include them.

https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/adverse-event-not-the-same-as-side-effect
They are side effects if foreseen as a result of the vaccination. They are adverse effects if they are not in the list below.
Common side effects to COVID-19 vaccines have mostly been mild to moderate and short-lasting. They include:

• fever
• fatigue
• headache
• muscle pain
• chills
• diarrhoea
• pain at the injection site

 

[TeeJay]

https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/adverse-event-not-the-same-as-side-effect
They are side effects if foreseen as a result of the vaccination. They are adverse effects if they are not in the list below.
Common side effects to COVID-19 vaccines have mostly been mild to moderate and short-lasting. They include:

• fever
• fatigue
• headache
• muscle pain
• chills
• diarrhoea
• pain at the injection site

Try quoting a Canadian source since we have a definition of adverse and serious adverse effect already
Your list is not correct