Consequences for those who refuse C-19 vaccination
- Thread starter lenny2
- Start date
No facts were ever posted showing anything that says my claim that you can carry and transmit Covid even when vaccinated or that Covid will not be around forever as we will never have 100% protection or coverage is wrong.
basket case just tries to get people going
You claimed the vaccines DO NOT stop transmission when clearly based on efficacy they do! 100% no but 90% isn't to damn shabby so YES YOU WERE WRONG!
That's spectacularly dumb.
The thing is, he has an argument he could make to defend himself. He's just giving up.
We were talking about your claims about polio and smallpox.
As far as the claim you can carry and transmit COVID even when vaccinated - yes, but you're acting like anything other than 100% protection doesn't count, which is just a ridiculous position to take and one I hope you don't take in other aspects of your life.
read your own statement
if its not 100% then you can still transmit so whos wrong? oh that's right YOU!
Can Vaccinated People Spread the Coronavirus? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
The data suggest that “it’s much harder for vaccinated people to get infected, but don’t think for one second that they cannot get infected,” said Paul Duprex, director of the Center for Vaccine Research at the University of Pittsburgh.
my claim is even vaccinated you can still get covid carry and spread it
he has no argument that's why in several threads he resorts to name calling and insults I NEVER said anything about polio that was basketcase
Yep, how dare I explain to you why your claim was incorrect.
R0: How Scientists Quantify the Intensity of an Outbreak Like Coronavirus and Its Pandemic Potential | The Pursuit | University of Michigan School of Public Health | Coronavirus | Pandemic
R0 is the number of cases, on average, an infected person will cause during their infectious period. Michigan Public Health professor of Epidemiology, Joe Eisenberg, explains how scientists quantify the intensity of outbreaks like the coronavirus.sph.umich.edu
Disease Reproduction number R0 Ebola, 2014 1.51 to 2.53 H1N1 Influenza, 2009 1.46 to 1.48 Seasonal Influenza 0.9 to 2.1 Measles 12 to 18 MERS around 1 Polio 5 to 7 SARS <1 to 2.75 Smallpox 5 to 7 SARS-CoV-2 (causes COVID-19) 1.5 to 3.5
covid you often don't know you have it so you can/do spread it without knowing
smallpox you have sores so its evident you have it its also not easily transmittable by air as compared to covid19
Transmission | Smallpox | CDC
How does Smallpox Spread?
Before smallpox was eradicated, it was mainly spread by direct and fairly prolonged face-to-face contact between people. Smallpox patients became contagious once the first sores appeared in their mouth and throat (early rash stage). They spread the virus when they coughed or sneezed and droplets from their nose or mouth spread to other people. They remained contagious until their last smallpox scab fell off.
These scabs and the fluid found in the patient’s sores also contained the variola virus. The virus can spread through these materials or through the objects contaminated by them, such as bedding or clothing. People who cared for smallpox patients and washed their bedding or clothing had to wear gloves and take care to not get infected.
Rarely, smallpox has spread through the air in enclosed settings, such as a building (airborne route).
Smallpox can be spread by humans only. Scientists have no evidence that smallpox can be spread by insects or animals.
This is your original post I responded to!
Be a man and admit when you are wrong! I've NEVER stated 100% but you stated what is in purple, the big purple letters, LOOOOOK, above this sentence, up there in the quotes, YOUR quotes. The vaccine in fact DOES PREVENT transmission up to 90%
NOW who's wrong?
PLEASE note at no time was Contact insulted in this post although I will admit I really want to but I won't.
But why would this matter? If it massively reduces the chance of you getting it or the chance of you spreading it if you do, then it is doing its job. You seem to claim "vaccine or not makes no difference" which is just wrong.
it matters because people need to understand that even fully vaccinated (which most Canadians are not and wont be anytime soon) you can still get carry and spread covid, yes you are not likely to die from covid 19 if vaccinated you can still spread it to others
If you don't think it matters that's fine were all entitled to our own opinions
Last edited:
But who is saying you would be completely invulnerable? Nobody.
It's all a numbers game. The less transmissible the virus the faster things open up. The vaccines reduce that a great deal and make the consequences of what flare ups that do happen substantially less dangerous or likely to spread.
You keep saying they make no difference though. It's like saying "laws against murder are pointless because murders still happen".
I said the vaccine is not goning stop covid it’s Going to keep going I think it’s here to stay. for example my company has approximately 100 people we all got vaccinated back in March Pfizer single-dose we’re all way overdue for second dose like everyone else in Canada so far as of today seven people have tested positive that’s only 100 people I know of so in the big picture how many are testing positive that have been vaccinated? And it’s not like we all work together multiple locations some with no contact with the others so if it’s so effective why are people still protesting positive and how many people did they infect?
I’m entitled to my opinion you’re entitled to yours for the moment we do not live in a dictatorship we’re close but not there yet
That says you can’t spread(shed) the vaccine to unvaccinated people . I never said you could so I’m not sure what your trying to say….
I haven’t been paying close attention to this thread so maybe this is covered in the 8 pages but the point of vaccines isn’t to wipe out covid it is to prevent serious illness and avoid overwhelming the health care system.
That doesn’t make the vaccine ineffective.
That doesn’t make the vaccine ineffective.
Warriors forward Damion Lee, despite being fully vaccinated, said he contracted COVID-19
"It felt like I was hit by a car, like hit by two cars at once. Every step I took, it hurt."
ca.yahoo.com
Warriors forward Damion Lee, despite being fully vaccinated, said he contracted COVID-19
"It felt like I was hit by a car, like hit by two cars at once. Every step I took, it hurt."
Sounds like vaccines are an excellent way to bring R0 down and kill the pandemic.
One dose sounds like an excellent way to lower the R0 enough to kill the pandemic.
