What Would You Do For Work If We Have a UBI?
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It wouldn't nearly compete with my income so no change. But it's a great policy that's already proven itself when tried. It's not socialism, certainly not communism, but a conservative idea supported by big business.
Government can handle any program over time. WE happened because they needed to move the money right away, not years later after a bureaucracy for it was put in place. Same reason the government bought assets from the banks in 2008 - they knew the banks were already set up to lend the money out far better than any cobbled together government bureau could. Time was of the essence. UBI is not a rush program
If the govt. was meeting all my basic needs, all the income from work would be hobby money. What would I do for work? Probably farm work this year. The flow of migrant labor is way down and farmers are already begging. Good way to keep the weight down and all the way back to my ancestral roots...
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UBI would create wide swaths of urban slums similar to many first nations setllements we have today . Why work if it's all for free ?
Sounds good in theory, but it won't work; nor a large portion of the population. (kinda like this other thing that sounds nice, but every time it's been tried it leads to mass human suffering and poor quality of life)
In the modern day, all basics needs are covered for by way of a job. Be a robot, and you won't run into any issues.
Go to work, pay for shit, sleep, repeat.
UBI would surely alleviate time for people to pursue passions, but the overwhelming majority of humans are lazy - they simply won't do anything with their newly found time.
This is proven time and time again with welfare and now with CERB/CRB (it's not a surprise that people take the path of least resistance and don't want to get a job if they don't need to), in many cases it's simply easier to make the compromise to never work a day and just barely get by than work hard and try.
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In the modern day, all basics needs are covered for by way of a job. Be a robot, and you won't run into any issues.
Go to work, pay for shit, sleep, repeat.
UBI would surely alleviate time for people to pursue passions, but the overwhelming majority of humans are lazy - they simply won't do anything with their newly found time.
This is proven time and time again with welfare and now with CERB/CRB (it's not a surprise that people take the path of least resistance and don't want to get a job if they don't need to), in many cases it's simply easier to make the compromise to never work a day and just barely get by than work hard and try.
CERB is competition for restaurants looking to hire or recall staff
Prince Rupert restaurants may face difficulties during the summer
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Politicians love to tell the public things like we may have a UBI or take measures to clean up pollution by reducing green house gasses. At the same time they will tell you that these politically correct moves are in the works and we will have them in the future. The world is experiencing a pandemic and even if it is resolved in the next 12-18 months there will be austerity in the near and medium term. Any grandiose schemes will come later or never. Politicians promise a utopian world but deliver empty promises.
I'd continue working as I am now, and running my business as I am now. I make more than whatever the base amount would be so I wouldn't see a dime of it, and I am fine with that as I a firm believer that everyone has a right to a basic quality of life.
I would be a gigolo.
I wouldn't be able to make money at it.
But then I wouldn't have to.
At the end of the day UBI has to be calculated into the Federal and Provincial Governments Budgets. Financing a UBI longterm is a non starter and would directly impact Canada’s credit rating. UBI could encourage further disincentives to work and to start a business and result in high tax rates. Canada would be even less competitive on the world stage and would have to bring In foreign labour to fill the increasing labour shortage caused by Canadians who entitled to receive UBI but not entitled to want to work.
The UBI scheme seems like a race to the bottom.
The UBI scheme seems like a race to the bottom.
Far bigger programs have been rolled out this past year without threatening our credit rating, which I point out is the highest in the G7. It wouldn't dis incentivize people at all. It's small change as far as income goes, allowing subsistence living. Wouldn't even cover rent in big cities. No one aspires to that little. It would be there to keep people afloat while they transition from shocks or other temporary problems and allow people to better themselves. And with all the existing welfare programs it would replace, the net additional cost would be worth it.
You cannot get blood from a stone. Canadians are spoiled, pampered and as Pierre Trudeau once said, “fat cats”. Actually the Federal Government maybe should just grow the nanny state further and print more money. It is all good.
Once you turn on that tap there's no going back. That's what EI and welfare are for, along with Federal disability payments. City of Toronto social housing is the largest landlord in Canada. Various levels of government give away billions of dollars already. We already , for some reason, import labour from beyond our borders to work in agriculture because we have a system that is gamed easily . I know lots of able bodied people who sit on their ass and take the free money rather than work - because they can. CERB was no exception though on a larger scale. Hell the Unemployment insurance system financed my buddies summer vacation in BC when we were 20. I had saved my summer vacation money laying sod and cutting wood ( @$2.50/hr ). He was drawing Unemployment money even though the contractor I had been working for was short of workers. He could have worked but didn't. We went west for the summer and Jesus , they even mailed his unemployment cheques to my girfriends place in Burnaby. I couldn't believe it. Build the freebee ride and they will come. And it will never go away and entire generations will grow up with an entitled attitude.
Canada actually has the lowest debt to GDP ratio of any developed country and that highest credit rating I mentioned. We're the lean cats with our house in order.
I don't think there are many people that frequent this board who would be collecting UBI or we couldn't afford to be seeing girls at hundreds of dollars per hour.
But a few things to consider, IMHO...
1. UBI would allow the government to reduce the number of employees who earn a good living doing nothing much more than babysitting/monitoring the poor who are on welfare/disability as UBI should replace those programs.
2. If you give the poorest people a little more money, most if not all of it would be redirected into the local economy as these people could actually afford to purchase some basic 'luxury' items like new clothes instead of going to the salvation army, or buying takeout instead of going to a soup kitchen/food bank. This would allow the government to reduce the stimulus they inject into the economy.
3. Give the poorest among us a little bit of dignity back.
I haven't seen any rules or details about the program but I can only imagine that you would still be able to work before it starts being clawed back. Imagine not having to work 2 or 3 part time jobs at minimum wage just to pay your rent...shocking. Not to mention that the government aims to have unemployment at around 5%, and to be counted as unemployed you have to have been actively seeking employment within the last 6 months or something like that. While I'm sure everyone has a story about knowing someone who had the opportunity to work and decided to sit at home collecting a cheque, the truth is that there just aren't enough jobs for everyone.
If UBI is about the same as CERB, at least people could survive. Last I heard, welfare, or Ontario Works, only pays something like $700 a month. Someone show me an apartment for that cheap anywhere in southern Ontario. I'll wait. And that doesn't say how they will afford to eat either. Sometimes the attitude of the entitled is a little hard to swallow.
But a few things to consider, IMHO...
1. UBI would allow the government to reduce the number of employees who earn a good living doing nothing much more than babysitting/monitoring the poor who are on welfare/disability as UBI should replace those programs.
2. If you give the poorest people a little more money, most if not all of it would be redirected into the local economy as these people could actually afford to purchase some basic 'luxury' items like new clothes instead of going to the salvation army, or buying takeout instead of going to a soup kitchen/food bank. This would allow the government to reduce the stimulus they inject into the economy.
3. Give the poorest among us a little bit of dignity back.
I haven't seen any rules or details about the program but I can only imagine that you would still be able to work before it starts being clawed back. Imagine not having to work 2 or 3 part time jobs at minimum wage just to pay your rent...shocking. Not to mention that the government aims to have unemployment at around 5%, and to be counted as unemployed you have to have been actively seeking employment within the last 6 months or something like that. While I'm sure everyone has a story about knowing someone who had the opportunity to work and decided to sit at home collecting a cheque, the truth is that there just aren't enough jobs for everyone.
If UBI is about the same as CERB, at least people could survive. Last I heard, welfare, or Ontario Works, only pays something like $700 a month. Someone show me an apartment for that cheap anywhere in southern Ontario. I'll wait. And that doesn't say how they will afford to eat either. Sometimes the attitude of the entitled is a little hard to swallow.
The question is just how huge you want to let it get.
You have to look at a wealth distribution like this:
and say "am I ok with that?".
Is the bottom 20% only owning that little sliver on the left in blue something we are ok with as a society? Is that top 20% taking up that much of the total ideal?
