What Would You Do For Work If We Have a UBI?
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There will always be rich and poor, winners and losers. Begrudging the rich and setting the poor on them is straight out of the Marxist-Leninist NDP handbook.
“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.”
“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”
Winston Churchill
Yeah, real BS, off by two spots according to that chart, which I believe factors all levels of debt. In terms of federal debt to GDP, we're definitely tops. And again, the highest credit rating in the G7. All of which means we don't go down before the rest of the G7 does. There is no problem here. Japan has functioned fine at almost 3 times our level!
There will always be winners and losers but you have to rebalance the scales or else the pitchforks will do it for you. Socialist countries like the Nordic countries are the happiest and most productive places on Earth. Extreme US style capitalism doesn't work for most people. Capitalism's best days in the West were from 1945-1975, which were its most socialist in policies. Since then inequality has mushroomed. Smart Redistribution policies will save capitalism from its excesses.
Take off the rose coloured glasses.
1. The government won't reduce it's work force. They will just redeploy them to other departments. The babysitting will never end. So instead of working in the welfare/disability dept. they will now be in the UBI dept.
2. There are lots of jobs out there. Even if it's seasonal.
3. CERB isn't a lifetime program. It's a temporary gap to carry people over until they return to work. Those that are still out of work due to Covid are now on EI.
4. If the poor want their dignity back then go find a job.
Sadly, when it comes to free money...losing dignity isn't important to some folks...
A Universal Basic Income is a good idea on many levels. We do not all start off with the benefits in life. Some start off with a "head start". Others hit hard times and need a helping hand to get back on track.
I have never been on Employment Income or any other social benefit. And I never will be. I have always worked from age 10, to now at a start up company.
When Canada implements a UBI we will need to take apart aspects of our social safety net. This will be challenging since these institutions will fight to survive. Several people in this thread have already mentioned this problem and I agree with them that it will not be easy.
For those who say this is communism, no it is not. Public education and public health care are also not examples of communism. Even though many Republicans in the United States will accuse our Canadian systems of just that ... being communist.
I have never been on Employment Income or any other social benefit. And I never will be. I have always worked from age 10, to now at a start up company.
When Canada implements a UBI we will need to take apart aspects of our social safety net. This will be challenging since these institutions will fight to survive. Several people in this thread have already mentioned this problem and I agree with them that it will not be easy.
For those who say this is communism, no it is not. Public education and public health care are also not examples of communism. Even though many Republicans in the United States will accuse our Canadian systems of just that ... being communist.
What happens if you try to bite the hands that feeds you?
What if govt has an expectation of you and if not met, you lose your check or have to pay it back like they have in China??
Chinas Social Credit Score outlines what is expected of you to keep receiving the hand out. If you dont follow the procedures like asked, you lose your benefit or even have to pay back an amount.
Be careful what you ask for.
Our rights and freedoms in a democratic country are just about gone as we speak. Whats next?
What if govt has an expectation of you and if not met, you lose your check or have to pay it back like they have in China??
Chinas Social Credit Score outlines what is expected of you to keep receiving the hand out. If you dont follow the procedures like asked, you lose your benefit or even have to pay back an amount.
Be careful what you ask for.
Our rights and freedoms in a democratic country are just about gone as we speak. Whats next?
I think UBI is a good idea if its used as a replacement for existing government benefits and programs. Its more efficient just to write people a monthly check than to administer 100 different social welfare programs.
China is a totalitarian regime, a police state where the average citizen is forced to be hard working and respect( live in fear of authority) and cannot vote. Canadians do not live in fear of authority, are influenced by tri-partisan politics, don’t necessarily have to work hard or even work and have a guaranteed nanny state which is seen as an entitlement from birth.
This is straw man argument. No one is comparing Canada and China.
The Universal Income Benefit will not be the downfall of Canadian democracy and is not a threat to our freedoms. This is a logical fallacy.
Canada is far from a nanny state. People in Canada who do not work hard end up with very little unless they are born into wealth.
This is the MOST ridiculous and laughable statement ever written!!! LMAO
We dont fear authority???!!! Ummm, take your mask off at the store and see what happens!
Tri-partisan politics is the ONLY way our politicians prefer to run govt!
Want to make a fucking bet you have to work hard in Canada?! You should see what type of work I do and how much tax I pay to the CRA so you can receive YOUR welfare check!
Your post makes no fucking sense! You must live in a different Canada than the rest of us!
You better dig deeper into your post. CAnada is modelling its UBI to be comparable to Chinas. But you wouldnt know that.
How about you look into many failed attempts of UBI in N.America. One good example is in Manitoba not too long ago. You did know about that, right? https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200624-canadas-forgotten-universal-basic-income-experiment
Canada is the epitome of the nanny state meaning people who do not work hard, simply cannot work for whatever reasons or do not want to work at all are looked after by the state in terms of basic needs. As you said they may end up with very little but the state guarantees their survival which is a key reason why many wish to immigrate here because their homelands are not nanny states. Choosing not to work in Canada is an option due to generous social assistance programs.
Calm down, we are essentially saying the same thing although your ignorance does allow you to realize that.
Please try reading my post again slowly and use a dictionary or Google if you are unsure or unfamiliar of certain words or phrases and then edit your post please.
I have seen people take their masks off or wear the mask down around their chin in more than a few stores once inside and nothing happened to them other than a verbal warning if that and police would not attend for what is only an anemic bylaw violation.. There was no fear of being taken away as might be the case in places like China, Cuba, N.Korea or Singapore for example.
Yes there are lots of able bodied welfare recipients who do not have work to survive because they are beneficiaries of Marxist-Leninist NDP and Liberal Social Assistance policies which not only discourage hard work but make working optional.
I appreciate that you might work hard and pay a lot of tax as do I, but in your case you sound like you pay significantly more tax than you have common sense education level notwithstanding.
You do realise that 47 percent of Canadians are already living paycheck to paycheck and will probably never ever do anything any differently.
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who cares what the gap is if you want more work hard come up with a plan or idea that makes you money lots of people had stupid ideas that made a mint, or take that risk you believe in
Just because some of us do very very well finically does not mean we need to 'share" it with anyone
you are NOT entitled to anything
Just because some of us do very very well finically does not mean we need to 'share" it with anyone
you are NOT entitled to anything
People emigrate to Canada for many reasons. Violence in their home country, religious persecution, sexual discrimination, a totalitarian state, a narco-state, or lack of opportunity. These could be described as Push Factors.
Others emigrate to Canada for our democracy, opportunities to succeed, education system or health care system. These could be described as Pull Factors.
Canada does not tell people what to do in every aspect of their life. Canada does not have a birth to grave system that is in the image of the Nanny state.
Canada does, or at least attempts on our good days, attempts to give everyone a chance to be successful. But it is up to you to be successful. Ensuring that people survive is ethical, not nanny like.
